Josh, you have been so prolific lately, and your writing is so well reasoned, and shows an amazing understanding of the ways antisemitism is so ingrained in all aspects of dealing and referring to Israel and the Jews.
Although Durban is an obvious precursor, we cannot forget the Dreyfus trial, the Doctors trial, and the German judges who integrated nazism into the legal system.
The highly recommended film “conspiracy” is a dramatisation of the Wannsee Conference. In shows how antisemitism is enacted in meeting rooms, by “respectable” statesman, clouded in legal, political terminology. In particular, Colin Firth’s performance as state secretary SS-Brigadeführer Dr Wilhelm Stuckart, continuously reasserts his support for the “final solution” as long as it is done “by the letter of the law”. It seems the UN has not only not learned from this, but is in fact emulating that conference.
The difference between Israel and actual human rights abusers is that those countries are scary to start up with. Israel is an extremely humane democracy. The perfect target for cowards. They want to yell a lot and bear no repercussions. Bring Putin or Xi to court? No. They’re totalitarian dictators. No one is doing that.
Interesting. No one international court has banned Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis or other terrorists from attacking Israel. It didn't even intend to ban it. But they want to prohibit Israel from defending itself.
Has the world run out of lawyers? Or are they now made from shit?
Thanks for this great piece. I'm looking for a source on the World Food Programme stating that 12 of 13 bottlenecks are on them, not Israel. I would love to verify and use that statistic in further arguments.
"There’s a word for blaming your own problems on the Jews: antisemitism."
Jungian psychology calls this pathology "narcissism": blaming the victim for the damage done by the predator (ie spousal abuse- the victim is psychologically made to feel responsible or deserving of the abuse, thus, finds it difficult to fight back or get out).
The narcissistic profile is: selfish and self-centered and incapable of feeling compassion for others (ie psychological profile of cold blooded murderers).
What narcissists seek is attention. They are most concerned about their image and social acceptance. Emotionally immature, the narcissistic personality is a master manipulator and pathological liar.
I do not think that engaging with those - above - who are interested in any accusations that are clearly lacking any substance and are nothing but fruits of one’s hatred, is worth of your time, Joshua! Keep doing your great job - you are inspirational! Thank you for your generosity!
That documented criticism of Israel in any form, from multiple sources (not just the UN) are all antisemitic. You take that as an indisputable tenet which is the wrong place to start from. You also concentrate on South Africa and call other nations “nothings”. The point here is ANY signatory of the convention could have brought Israel to the court , and you’d rubbish them equally. The mighty Gambia has brought Myanmar to the court. Yet defaming of any accuser and antisemitism calls remain the common theme.
Criticism of Israel’s policies and politicians is not antisemitic — unless these criticisms are grossly unfounded and are fair criticisms of the group that actually is genocidal (Hamas) yet has not received the same amount of scrutiny as Israel, both historically and present-day.
I agree re Hamas - the ICC should prosecute those Hamas murderers from 7th. But Hamas isn’t a State - and States have state responsibilities. I hope the Palestinians give Hamas short shrift and remove them after the hostilities cease (and let’s agree to differ how they cease).
And what "facts" do you engage in? Demonstrable, impartial facts. None I'll bet, beginning with the ludicrous numbers of Palestinian civilians that Israel allegedly murdered. Last I read, those numbers were coming from Hamas. Wow. How "accurate". lol
During WW2, were the Allies held accountable for civilian deaths in Berlin and other German cities they bombed - or for the civilian deaths by the nukes dropped on Japan? No. Because like the Palestinians, German and Japanese civilians supported the militaristic goals of their leaders who started the war. Unlike the Allies, Israel has taken pains to minimize the collateral damage in Gaza but there is no way to stop the Hamas monsters from repeating their acts of Oct 7 - on an even wider scale - if they are not eliminated totally. If that means the civilians who support them must die too, so be it. Instead of trolling this forum, why not protest the massive killings conducted by Islamic countries on their co-religionists and Christians? Or how about getting Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon to take in Palestinian civilians? Because you know they won't. The Arabs who call themselves Palestinians are there for a reason. As cannon fodder for the Islamic countries who want Israel gone and haven't been able to destroy Israel using conventional military strategies. I must say that using their own people as pawns was devilishly clever. But don't get me to feel one ounce of pity for those pawns who rant about killing Jews from the time they are potty-trained to the time they become grandparents. Oh - and by the way, those numbers of civilian deaths are minimal compared to the baby boom the Palestinians have experienced for decades. Israelis committing genocide? Not in this universe.
WW2 was terrible - hence the drawing up of the conventions after the war to which Israel is a signatory to avoid such outcomes. Susan, I honestly feel sorry for you. Did you really just try to justify a the deaths (lets not be picky in numbers) v a birthrate? Is it all numbers. I think you've just demonstrated the value placed on a human life, if it's a Palestinian, clear in your views on pawns. Let others judge on genocide, and the final judgement may go Israel's way, in which case we are in a bad place with international law.
Now watch the manipulator’s hands. The IDF only gave a figure of 5,000 fighters, while the figure of 15,000 was taken from Hamas health. Divide the fake Hamas number (15,000) by the real IDF number (5,000) and get your 2:1.
Once again, so that you understand where the manipulation is. When you said that 2:1 is what the IDF gave, it was manipulation.
Oh God, how tired I am of exposing your manipulations...
Sorry mate - I'm quoting directly from this article, it's not my manipulation. What you are saying is that the Times of Israel and this IDF person have been fooled into accepting Hamas figures.
let's stop googling back and forth. Point being A LOT of Palestinians have been killed. If the ICC can start a different case in 2021 based off the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza killing 2000 people in 2014, regardless of the numbers, there's a large disparity.
That hatred has always been there and will continue to be there no matter what Israel does. Otherwise, why does Iran want to destroy Israel? It has nothing to do with their love of Palestinians or any other muslims. And I think all the possibilities you’re raising are rooted in reason and logic and the sincere want for harmony. That simply doesn’t exist on the other end, not even with Farrah, which is supposed to be less radical and is led by a kleptomaniac holocaust denier. think that’s where the West gets it wrong. Not everyone thinks like we do, about prospering and the future and building for the sake of strong social foundations. I honestly don’t know how else to explain and or why so many refuse to believe that. It’s Israel and Jews today, then they’re coming for everyone else.
I wish you well. Thanks for remaining respectful, but I will respectfully bow out of this thread. Thanks again.
He's a satirical comedian - the main point is valid - all Palestinians are not Hamas, and even if they were, indiscriminate bombing is a war crime. The rest of the Hamas electoral points are interesting, in particular the video of that Hamas b*stard that talked October 7th over and over pretending to be moderate in 2006.
Appreciate point - is there an official Israeli number somewhere (that is not quoting Hamas directly as the IDF official in The Times of Israel article did apparently) ? Genuinely interested what official Israeli count is and where maintained, thx
Josh, you have been so prolific lately, and your writing is so well reasoned, and shows an amazing understanding of the ways antisemitism is so ingrained in all aspects of dealing and referring to Israel and the Jews.
Although Durban is an obvious precursor, we cannot forget the Dreyfus trial, the Doctors trial, and the German judges who integrated nazism into the legal system.
The highly recommended film “conspiracy” is a dramatisation of the Wannsee Conference. In shows how antisemitism is enacted in meeting rooms, by “respectable” statesman, clouded in legal, political terminology. In particular, Colin Firth’s performance as state secretary SS-Brigadeführer Dr Wilhelm Stuckart, continuously reasserts his support for the “final solution” as long as it is done “by the letter of the law”. It seems the UN has not only not learned from this, but is in fact emulating that conference.
The difference between Israel and actual human rights abusers is that those countries are scary to start up with. Israel is an extremely humane democracy. The perfect target for cowards. They want to yell a lot and bear no repercussions. Bring Putin or Xi to court? No. They’re totalitarian dictators. No one is doing that.
Interesting. No one international court has banned Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis or other terrorists from attacking Israel. It didn't even intend to ban it. But they want to prohibit Israel from defending itself.
Has the world run out of lawyers? Or are they now made from shit?
Essential reading. Thank you.
Hi Joshua,
Thanks for this great piece. I'm looking for a source on the World Food Programme stating that 12 of 13 bottlenecks are on them, not Israel. I would love to verify and use that statistic in further arguments.
Thanks,
Sam
Hi Sam! Here you are: https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1741056770405965840
"There’s a word for blaming your own problems on the Jews: antisemitism."
Jungian psychology calls this pathology "narcissism": blaming the victim for the damage done by the predator (ie spousal abuse- the victim is psychologically made to feel responsible or deserving of the abuse, thus, finds it difficult to fight back or get out).
The narcissistic profile is: selfish and self-centered and incapable of feeling compassion for others (ie psychological profile of cold blooded murderers).
What narcissists seek is attention. They are most concerned about their image and social acceptance. Emotionally immature, the narcissistic personality is a master manipulator and pathological liar.
Sound familiar?
I honestly think just reading the headline demonstrates your unwillingness to engage with the facts.
Which facts?
I do not think that engaging with those - above - who are interested in any accusations that are clearly lacking any substance and are nothing but fruits of one’s hatred, is worth of your time, Joshua! Keep doing your great job - you are inspirational! Thank you for your generosity!
That documented criticism of Israel in any form, from multiple sources (not just the UN) are all antisemitic. You take that as an indisputable tenet which is the wrong place to start from. You also concentrate on South Africa and call other nations “nothings”. The point here is ANY signatory of the convention could have brought Israel to the court , and you’d rubbish them equally. The mighty Gambia has brought Myanmar to the court. Yet defaming of any accuser and antisemitism calls remain the common theme.
Criticism of Israel’s policies and politicians is not antisemitic — unless these criticisms are grossly unfounded and are fair criticisms of the group that actually is genocidal (Hamas) yet has not received the same amount of scrutiny as Israel, both historically and present-day.
I agree re Hamas - the ICC should prosecute those Hamas murderers from 7th. But Hamas isn’t a State - and States have state responsibilities. I hope the Palestinians give Hamas short shrift and remove them after the hostilities cease (and let’s agree to differ how they cease).
Your statement on antisemitism doesn’t make sense - you are saying criticising Israel’s state actions without criticising Hamas is antisemitic. That’s not the case. IHRA and Nexus definitions are clearer on to collectivisation’ https://israelandantisemitism.com/guide-to-identifying-antisemitism-in-debates-about-israel/
From your post it can be understood that you know the right decision, or at least how to react correctly to the situation.
I am intrigued.
And what "facts" do you engage in? Demonstrable, impartial facts. None I'll bet, beginning with the ludicrous numbers of Palestinian civilians that Israel allegedly murdered. Last I read, those numbers were coming from Hamas. Wow. How "accurate". lol
According to an IDF official from the Times of Israel, a 2:1 ratio civilians to Hamas, confirming the 5 Dec numbers correct - numbers not from Hamas; so you can extrapolate the figure of 15000 in total from 5 Dec to today to consider accuracy, not that the accusation is about numbers , but you did ask - https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-officials-2-civilian-deaths-for-every-1-hamas-fighter-killed-in-gaza/
During WW2, were the Allies held accountable for civilian deaths in Berlin and other German cities they bombed - or for the civilian deaths by the nukes dropped on Japan? No. Because like the Palestinians, German and Japanese civilians supported the militaristic goals of their leaders who started the war. Unlike the Allies, Israel has taken pains to minimize the collateral damage in Gaza but there is no way to stop the Hamas monsters from repeating their acts of Oct 7 - on an even wider scale - if they are not eliminated totally. If that means the civilians who support them must die too, so be it. Instead of trolling this forum, why not protest the massive killings conducted by Islamic countries on their co-religionists and Christians? Or how about getting Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon to take in Palestinian civilians? Because you know they won't. The Arabs who call themselves Palestinians are there for a reason. As cannon fodder for the Islamic countries who want Israel gone and haven't been able to destroy Israel using conventional military strategies. I must say that using their own people as pawns was devilishly clever. But don't get me to feel one ounce of pity for those pawns who rant about killing Jews from the time they are potty-trained to the time they become grandparents. Oh - and by the way, those numbers of civilian deaths are minimal compared to the baby boom the Palestinians have experienced for decades. Israelis committing genocide? Not in this universe.
WW2 was terrible - hence the drawing up of the conventions after the war to which Israel is a signatory to avoid such outcomes. Susan, I honestly feel sorry for you. Did you really just try to justify a the deaths (lets not be picky in numbers) v a birthrate? Is it all numbers. I think you've just demonstrated the value placed on a human life, if it's a Palestinian, clear in your views on pawns. Let others judge on genocide, and the final judgement may go Israel's way, in which case we are in a bad place with international law.
Now watch the manipulator’s hands. The IDF only gave a figure of 5,000 fighters, while the figure of 15,000 was taken from Hamas health. Divide the fake Hamas number (15,000) by the real IDF number (5,000) and get your 2:1.
Once again, so that you understand where the manipulation is. When you said that 2:1 is what the IDF gave, it was manipulation.
Oh God, how tired I am of exposing your manipulations...
Sorry mate - I'm quoting directly from this article, it's not my manipulation. What you are saying is that the Times of Israel and this IDF person have been fooled into accepting Hamas figures.
Sky News is very pro-Israel - and looks at Hamas past calculations which have been correct; - https://news.sky.com/story/what-do-we-know-about-the-number-of-palestinians-killed-in-gaza-13006290
let's stop googling back and forth. Point being A LOT of Palestinians have been killed. If the ICC can start a different case in 2021 based off the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza killing 2000 people in 2014, regardless of the numbers, there's a large disparity.
That hatred has always been there and will continue to be there no matter what Israel does. Otherwise, why does Iran want to destroy Israel? It has nothing to do with their love of Palestinians or any other muslims. And I think all the possibilities you’re raising are rooted in reason and logic and the sincere want for harmony. That simply doesn’t exist on the other end, not even with Farrah, which is supposed to be less radical and is led by a kleptomaniac holocaust denier. think that’s where the West gets it wrong. Not everyone thinks like we do, about prospering and the future and building for the sake of strong social foundations. I honestly don’t know how else to explain and or why so many refuse to believe that. It’s Israel and Jews today, then they’re coming for everyone else.
I wish you well. Thanks for remaining respectful, but I will respectfully bow out of this thread. Thanks again.
see above source, if it’s just numbers - but that’s no the point;John Oliver summarizes - https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1t_SMLx8I4/
John Oliver should not be used as a reliable source.
He is a SEETHING antisemite. F'k him.
He's a satirical comedian - the main point is valid - all Palestinians are not Hamas, and even if they were, indiscriminate bombing is a war crime. The rest of the Hamas electoral points are interesting, in particular the video of that Hamas b*stard that talked October 7th over and over pretending to be moderate in 2006.
The number of Palestinian civilians you tossed around - 23,000 - I believe, was not verified; it comes from Hamas. If you don't believe me, believe the Israeli spokesperson at the ludicrous hearing which accuses Israel of genocide. It's on Twitter: https://twitter.com/drtrkulja/status/1745898393073762547?s=46&t=cqNp48Lte77FaTQeHRRihQ&fbclid=IwAR0nojV6dc62v04Kazf2yUgXXXNY4P-4gPtXS7SUQspVHBeyjD18TsHJnco
Appreciate point - is there an official Israeli number somewhere (that is not quoting Hamas directly as the IDF official in The Times of Israel article did apparently) ? Genuinely interested what official Israeli count is and where maintained, thx