One of the great ironies of history: The mass persecutions, ethnic cleanings and genocides of Jews over the past few centuries are what made Israel the powerhouse it is today. Jew haters are too stupid to understand that they continue to make the case for a strong Jewish state better than any Zionist ever could.
Exactly. For about two and a half seconds after the Holocaust, the world realized that the Jews required their own nation. And ever since the UN has been bashing Israel. The UN has become a joke. But thankfully, we only needed those 2 1/2 seconds.
How many jewish kids are being taught this HISTORY? How many of their parents know the history? How many jewish senators or congressmen talk about and teach this history to their constituents? How many media types teach just the opposite? Where is the ADL with its education programs ? Americans ( and Europeans) of all ages need to know the history ( especially those in power). Is it unreasonable to conclude the history is hidden on purpose as very very inconvenient facts?
Not sure where you’re coming from. Do I see a “hidden” agenda. Are you castigating Jews, or are you decrying the lies promulgated by the mainstream media about the truth of Israeli/Zionist/Jewish history? More blood liable, for “good measure”….”Clarity Seeker” indeed!
I am stating a fact. Our jewish educators have not educated our youth as to the history of anti semitism ans why there is an israel and all the attacks on Israel over the years by Arabs and other Muslims. Also poor education of the holocaust. My agenda is truth and clarity. If you see a blood libel in asserting that in my opinion the leftist politics of the adl would have been better spent BEFORE OCTOBER 7 addressing these issues ( and FACTS of i may say so) I plead guilty. One last point. The lack of education re jewish and Israeli history was and is manifested by all the young jews who now wear keffiyehs which i view as today's swastika.
“This is a very distressing discussion. Judaism is Zionism to me and, I believe, a majority of Jews follow this belief. I do not see “liberalism” to be a valid choice over Judaism/Zionism. To choose the irreligious concept of “liberalism” over supporting Israel is bizarre and frightening. It is literal “suicide”. To think that any Jew making this choice, makes me shudder, and nearly to tears. In essence, this entire essay is an unnecessary journey to nihilism, and an attempt to promote us, as Jews, to the destructive path of self loathing. I hate to say this, but I am infuriated at the entire premise of this essay. Liberals today are unhinged brats, with no concept of the privileges that Western civilization has been literally handed to them on a silver platter. NO, “liberalism” and Judaism do not mix well. What our parents and grandparents endured in more than the last 100 years, cannot be forgotten. To throw our Jewish culture to the wind is, in my thinking, a mortal sin.”
It has gotten to the point that, if we don’t see some positive development, this will take its toll.
I’m appreciating and thankful for your true CLARITY. I remarked yesterday the very same thing you’re stating about the education of our kids, both Jewish and non Jewish. Liberalism is a poison to our society, as Melanie Phillips has reiterated over and over. She’s a liberal, but sees our youth, as you state, wearing keffiyehs, and the worse sin is that many, if not most, have no idea as to the Nazi symbolism it projects. Please accept my sincere apologies….I, as many Jews, and dear friends of the Jews (ie. Mike Huckabee, Douglas Murray, Tom Cotton, Jordan Peterson….) are up in arms and under the stress of the world Jewry catastrophe. Please understand that there’s a hair-trigger in all of us because of this mishagas, which mine had gone off….Thanks for straightening this out. The dialogue between allies is vitally important. Thanks again. Jordan
Thank you Jordan. We are on the same page. I share Melanie's articles with many friends. We must all help others jew or gentile keep abreast of all that is happening and refute the incessant lying and misreporting
One last point. My comment about politicians was especially directed at the great self proclaimed Shomer from.NY and Harvard law. Perhaps you andvi are on the same page . Perhaps not but if you read what I post in various places you will get a better feel regarding my strong views on this ( and other) subjects
I think we may very well be closer in our views than what’s obvious. I misinterpreted your initial post. Always a treat to exchange views. Again, sorry to judge you so harshly.
No worries. I have a background in debate and arguing and always love engaging. Nice thing about debating is it makes it essential to understand all the arguments and fashion ones position accordingly. Keep up the fight
Precisely .. understanding how the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the Balfour Declaration, Herzl, the Dreyfus Affair and finally, the Holocaust, is something that all kids and politicians need to learn.
And whilst the UK still prevaricates on establishing a Holocaust memorial next to Westminster, NEVER forget that in the 1930s, when Jews needed to flee Europe, the British White Papers prevented the Jews getting to Palestine. The Kindertransport was helpful, but only in small numbers. And whilst some Jews in Guernsey perished, British Jews were not sent to death camps in the numbers suffered by Europe. The establishment of a Holocaust memorial in London, in my opinion, sends the wrong messages and should not be built. Better to use the funds and educate the kids.
Precisely .. that’s why I find the erecting of a Holocaust memorial in London not necessary, especially bearing in mind that the British refused entry of European Jews to British Mandated Palestine in the 1930s.
Today, their desire to erect a memorial is virtue signalling.
Yes, agreed. But it doesn't have to. I don't consider these college kids with kaffiyehs as liberals, but as far left woke useful idiots. It's that whole oppressor / oppressed cultural Marxism philosophy that has taken over. It's abhorrent and uninformed and dangerous.
Just an idea, but at one time Gaza was in Egypt's hands, perhaps Gaza would be less of an encumbrance in Egyptian hands. I know that sincere hope is what got us into this present hell in the first place. So I put this out there with cautious reservation.
Egypt doesn’t want to get its hands dirtied by what they consider the “Palestinians’” “filth”. Israel has more concern for the “humanity” of the inhabitants of Gaza. This really makes no sense after October 7th, but it’s closer to a reality than, we, as Jews would like to admit after the horror of that fateful day.
👏👏👏 You pretty much said it all here, Joshua! Zionism exists because antisemitism exists. The English, French, Germans, Italians, Russians, Poles, Dutch, Spaniards, Portuguese, and many others burned at the stake, expelled, persecuted, deported, discriminated against, and murdered Jews. They weren’t accepted in the United States either for a long time. One could point to the denial of the right to vote for Jews in colonial times in some states, the 1915 lynching of Leo Frank in Marietta, Georgia, the quotas on Jewish students at Ivy League universities in the 1920s, the 1924 Immigration Act which locked Europeans Jews trying to flee the Holocaust out of America, and the fact that a substantial number of hotels wouldn’t accept Jews as guest as late as 1957. Don’t forget about Hitler’s hero and virulent antisemite, Auto Magnate Henry Ford and the garbage he published in the Dearborn Independent or the antisemitism of the second Ku Klux Klan and the German-American Bund.
Jews were never accepted anywhere they went and assimilation and individual or community success by Jews doesn’t prove life was good, it merely shows how they persevered against the odds. The Shoah changed everything, it showed that Theodor Herzl had been 100% right when back in the 19th Century he predicted that western and liberal values wouldn’t be enough to protect the Jewish people from Gentile hatred and violence. The Nazis took antisemitism to a whole new level and tried to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the Earth. They started by going after just the German Jewish community. They banned them from marrying Aryans, wouldn’t allow them to do business with Aryans, expelled them from German schools, boycotted, ransacked and burned their businesses, discriminated against them openly, stripped them of their citizenship, and rounded them up and put them in concentration camps. But after conquering land in the East and taking on an even bigger Jewish population that’s when they shifted from trying to get Jews to emigrate and putting them in ghettos to exterminating them wholesale. Half and a quarter Jewish people also faced a good deal of discrimination and social ostracism as well. Mixed Aryan-Jewish couples were shamed and harassed.
The Nazis soon started rounding up as many European Jews as they could and sent them to death camps. Six million Jews would be brutally murdered by means of gassing, mass executions, starvation, and being worked to death by the time the war was over. This extended well beyond Europe. North African Jews were target for extermination as well by the Afrika Korps and the SS and their Italian and Arab allies. Fascist Italy mercilessly persecuted the black Jews of Ethiopia as well. No Jew anywhere in the world except in America and the Anglosphere, was spared. This is why Israel had to be created in 1948 and why Jews had been moving back to the holy land since the 1840s with things really picking up in the 1880s after the pogroms in Russia. Israel was the safe haven the Jewish people desperately needed. What’s the alternative? Jewish DPs return to Europe? That didn’t go so well. Like the pogrom that was done in Poland in 1946. Jewish DPs in Germany were hated and resented by many Germans and were seen as lazy foreigners leeching off the fatherland and as living reminders of a time in history Germans just wanted to forget.
Jews living in the Soviet Union and Eastern European continued to be hated and to face discrimination and oppression LONG after the Second World War ended. So the choice was clear, go to Israel and build a new and better life for yourself and your family and most European Jews chose to do just that. Israel’s early years were hard and they had to fight both the British Empire and the Arabs to restore an independent Judean nation in the land of milk and honey but they did it. By the way, I saw anti-Zionist loon Katie Halper ranting about how Zionism is a settler-colonial project yesterday, so I thought it important to make this point again. The Jewish people are the indigenous people of the land of Eretz-Israel and have maintained a constant presence there for three millennia. It was in fact the Arabs who colonized them. The Palestinians are the descends of Arab settler colonists and immigrants. Funny how Katie never mentioned that on Piers Morgan’s show at any point. The origins of the Palestinians seem to be unknown to her. The Jewish people are the land’s first and original inhabitants. She hilariously uploaded a video on her channel and in the title claimed she “crushed” and “embarrassed” her Zionist opponent. You’ll note the video is just of her ranting and repeating the same old anti-Zionist talking points we’ve heard a million times and she cites no sources to back up any of her claims.
Also get acquainted with the evil political system, totalitarian and the hate for jews and others in the second half of the Quran (there are ~30 versions...) which drives Muslims : www.thereligionofpeace.com
The title of this post is both factually incorrect and offensive. And it gives ammunition to people who make exactly that same claim. No, antisemitism is not the reason Zionism exists. It may have spurred Herzl into creating secular Zionism, but actual Zionism is part and parcel of Judaism and always has been.
Modern political Zionism exists because of the hostile Jew hatred of Europe. This spurred both Herzl, the father of modern Zionism and Jabotinsky, the father of Revisionist Zionism. That is a fact. The longing for Zion is part of the Jewish faith but that is not the same thing as modern Zionism.
"The improved living conditions and growing job market attracted a surge of Arab migration from surrounding regions — Syria, Lebanon, and Transjordan — drawn by the prospect of work in Jewish-founded enterprises. Ironically, the very development work intended to secure a Jewish foothold in the land also swelled the local Arab population, planting demographic and political seeds that would later factor into the intensifying conflict."
Actually, th eSyria, Lebanon, and Transjordan Arabs migrating to the improved opportunities in the burgeoning Mandate Palestine are indigenous Palestinians. Gotta love the modern logic.
The "bloody [YomKippur war] domino led, unexpectedly, to peace."
If it did, it was a marriage in. which one spouse would clinically be found to be frigid. Ditto with the peace with Jordan.
"The [Oslo Accords] promise was intoxicating: mutual recognition, security cooperation, an end to decades of hostility."
The PLO, let alone Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, never recognized Israel as a sovereign state with the right to exist unmolested. The Oslo Accords have been violated in multiple ways that would declare them in material breach of contract, the fulfillment of its obligations rendered impossible, and thus the contract itself null and void.
"The Gaza withdrawal was intended as a bold reset: a way to reduce friction, improve security, and demonstrate willingness to make painful concessions for peace. The hope was that the Palestinian Authority would govern Gaza responsibly, allowing for economic growth and a model of coexistence."
Given this massive failure, isn't Israel at the very minimum morally entitled to retake the Gaza strip as it is now held under false pretenses? Legally? That is another matter. Wonder what the experts on international law, Natasha Hausdorff, Eugene Kontorovich, and Alan dershowitz would have to say about it. What the world would say is a foregone conclusion as when it comes to law (International Law and Customary International Law) events clearly show time and again that their terms and conditions largely do not apply if Jews are involved.
On other forum I get the Jew haters arguing about what constitutes a semite trying to muddy the water of the issue of their dislike of Israel and Hebrews, as the ancients were called. They resort to word tricks thinking they're so clever and fail magnificently in the semantic game because the core of the arguments never change from "I hate Jews."
The two-state solution was not imposed by international pressure, nor was Oslo. Both were creations of Israelis, as was the Gaza disengagement. Oslo was negotiated by Peres and his subordinates behind the back of Rabin and in violation of Israeli law. It passed the Knesset when a Shas member was bribed to vote in favor of it and so passed by one vote. Jewish history is not a pawn only to outside forces. Now we are in a position to write our own destiny. Being knifed in the back verbally by western democracies does not mean Israel has to fold, especially given Israel has quite the nuclear arsenal.
Correct. The entire premise of Oslo was the most catastrophic mistake in Israeli history and one Ben Gurion would never have made. Peres and Rabin because he went along with it caused harm to Israel which continues to this very second. Talk about unforeseen consequences. Rabin supported Oslo because he thought Arafat would deal with Hamas ruthlessly. Instead Hamas has now been legitimized by the world and has murdered thousands of Israelis and promises to do more while the world demands they be permitted to rebuild so they can do so. It was foreseeable to anyone with an ounce of sense.
No, Zionism exists because the Jewish holy books are largely about a covenant with Yahweh for Canaan, for which that god orders genocides many times. Jewish longing for this “promised land” never left since their crushing defeat under Rome. Antisemites take the Jews as a bad race or bloodline, the flip side of Jewish superiority as laid out in Jewish holy books.
Show me/tell me where the option appears for me to unsubscribe.Do not refer to me as “dude.” That is an insulting & antiquated term. We have established that familiarity!
One of the great ironies of history: The mass persecutions, ethnic cleanings and genocides of Jews over the past few centuries are what made Israel the powerhouse it is today. Jew haters are too stupid to understand that they continue to make the case for a strong Jewish state better than any Zionist ever could.
Exactly. For about two and a half seconds after the Holocaust, the world realized that the Jews required their own nation. And ever since the UN has been bashing Israel. The UN has become a joke. But thankfully, we only needed those 2 1/2 seconds.
How many jewish kids are being taught this HISTORY? How many of their parents know the history? How many jewish senators or congressmen talk about and teach this history to their constituents? How many media types teach just the opposite? Where is the ADL with its education programs ? Americans ( and Europeans) of all ages need to know the history ( especially those in power). Is it unreasonable to conclude the history is hidden on purpose as very very inconvenient facts?
Not sure where you’re coming from. Do I see a “hidden” agenda. Are you castigating Jews, or are you decrying the lies promulgated by the mainstream media about the truth of Israeli/Zionist/Jewish history? More blood liable, for “good measure”….”Clarity Seeker” indeed!
I am stating a fact. Our jewish educators have not educated our youth as to the history of anti semitism ans why there is an israel and all the attacks on Israel over the years by Arabs and other Muslims. Also poor education of the holocaust. My agenda is truth and clarity. If you see a blood libel in asserting that in my opinion the leftist politics of the adl would have been better spent BEFORE OCTOBER 7 addressing these issues ( and FACTS of i may say so) I plead guilty. One last point. The lack of education re jewish and Israeli history was and is manifested by all the young jews who now wear keffiyehs which i view as today's swastika.
My comment from yesterday:
“This is a very distressing discussion. Judaism is Zionism to me and, I believe, a majority of Jews follow this belief. I do not see “liberalism” to be a valid choice over Judaism/Zionism. To choose the irreligious concept of “liberalism” over supporting Israel is bizarre and frightening. It is literal “suicide”. To think that any Jew making this choice, makes me shudder, and nearly to tears. In essence, this entire essay is an unnecessary journey to nihilism, and an attempt to promote us, as Jews, to the destructive path of self loathing. I hate to say this, but I am infuriated at the entire premise of this essay. Liberals today are unhinged brats, with no concept of the privileges that Western civilization has been literally handed to them on a silver platter. NO, “liberalism” and Judaism do not mix well. What our parents and grandparents endured in more than the last 100 years, cannot be forgotten. To throw our Jewish culture to the wind is, in my thinking, a mortal sin.”
It has gotten to the point that, if we don’t see some positive development, this will take its toll.
I’m appreciating and thankful for your true CLARITY. I remarked yesterday the very same thing you’re stating about the education of our kids, both Jewish and non Jewish. Liberalism is a poison to our society, as Melanie Phillips has reiterated over and over. She’s a liberal, but sees our youth, as you state, wearing keffiyehs, and the worse sin is that many, if not most, have no idea as to the Nazi symbolism it projects. Please accept my sincere apologies….I, as many Jews, and dear friends of the Jews (ie. Mike Huckabee, Douglas Murray, Tom Cotton, Jordan Peterson….) are up in arms and under the stress of the world Jewry catastrophe. Please understand that there’s a hair-trigger in all of us because of this mishagas, which mine had gone off….Thanks for straightening this out. The dialogue between allies is vitally important. Thanks again. Jordan
Thank you Jordan. We are on the same page. I share Melanie's articles with many friends. We must all help others jew or gentile keep abreast of all that is happening and refute the incessant lying and misreporting
One last point. My comment about politicians was especially directed at the great self proclaimed Shomer from.NY and Harvard law. Perhaps you andvi are on the same page . Perhaps not but if you read what I post in various places you will get a better feel regarding my strong views on this ( and other) subjects
Schumer is the worst traitor to the Jewish people in modern history. He is scum. I hate him.
I think we may very well be closer in our views than what’s obvious. I misinterpreted your initial post. Always a treat to exchange views. Again, sorry to judge you so harshly.
No worries. I have a background in debate and arguing and always love engaging. Nice thing about debating is it makes it essential to understand all the arguments and fashion ones position accordingly. Keep up the fight
Precisely .. understanding how the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the Balfour Declaration, Herzl, the Dreyfus Affair and finally, the Holocaust, is something that all kids and politicians need to learn.
And whilst the UK still prevaricates on establishing a Holocaust memorial next to Westminster, NEVER forget that in the 1930s, when Jews needed to flee Europe, the British White Papers prevented the Jews getting to Palestine. The Kindertransport was helpful, but only in small numbers. And whilst some Jews in Guernsey perished, British Jews were not sent to death camps in the numbers suffered by Europe. The establishment of a Holocaust memorial in London, in my opinion, sends the wrong messages and should not be built. Better to use the funds and educate the kids.
Well British Jews were not sent to death camps as Germany near conquered Britain.
Precisely .. that’s why I find the erecting of a Holocaust memorial in London not necessary, especially bearing in mind that the British refused entry of European Jews to British Mandated Palestine in the 1930s.
Today, their desire to erect a memorial is virtue signalling.
A succinct reply to your on point post yesterday: for many jews their LEFTISM TRUMPS THEIR JUDAISM
Yes, agreed. But it doesn't have to. I don't consider these college kids with kaffiyehs as liberals, but as far left woke useful idiots. It's that whole oppressor / oppressed cultural Marxism philosophy that has taken over. It's abhorrent and uninformed and dangerous.
Just an idea, but at one time Gaza was in Egypt's hands, perhaps Gaza would be less of an encumbrance in Egyptian hands. I know that sincere hope is what got us into this present hell in the first place. So I put this out there with cautious reservation.
Egypt doesn’t want to get its hands dirtied by what they consider the “Palestinians’” “filth”. Israel has more concern for the “humanity” of the inhabitants of Gaza. This really makes no sense after October 7th, but it’s closer to a reality than, we, as Jews would like to admit after the horror of that fateful day.
Unfortunately Egypt has no interest in governing Gaza, which would only give them trouble.
That's why their border crossing is closed tight (unless you have the money to bribe the right people, so I hear).
👏👏👏 You pretty much said it all here, Joshua! Zionism exists because antisemitism exists. The English, French, Germans, Italians, Russians, Poles, Dutch, Spaniards, Portuguese, and many others burned at the stake, expelled, persecuted, deported, discriminated against, and murdered Jews. They weren’t accepted in the United States either for a long time. One could point to the denial of the right to vote for Jews in colonial times in some states, the 1915 lynching of Leo Frank in Marietta, Georgia, the quotas on Jewish students at Ivy League universities in the 1920s, the 1924 Immigration Act which locked Europeans Jews trying to flee the Holocaust out of America, and the fact that a substantial number of hotels wouldn’t accept Jews as guest as late as 1957. Don’t forget about Hitler’s hero and virulent antisemite, Auto Magnate Henry Ford and the garbage he published in the Dearborn Independent or the antisemitism of the second Ku Klux Klan and the German-American Bund.
Jews were never accepted anywhere they went and assimilation and individual or community success by Jews doesn’t prove life was good, it merely shows how they persevered against the odds. The Shoah changed everything, it showed that Theodor Herzl had been 100% right when back in the 19th Century he predicted that western and liberal values wouldn’t be enough to protect the Jewish people from Gentile hatred and violence. The Nazis took antisemitism to a whole new level and tried to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the Earth. They started by going after just the German Jewish community. They banned them from marrying Aryans, wouldn’t allow them to do business with Aryans, expelled them from German schools, boycotted, ransacked and burned their businesses, discriminated against them openly, stripped them of their citizenship, and rounded them up and put them in concentration camps. But after conquering land in the East and taking on an even bigger Jewish population that’s when they shifted from trying to get Jews to emigrate and putting them in ghettos to exterminating them wholesale. Half and a quarter Jewish people also faced a good deal of discrimination and social ostracism as well. Mixed Aryan-Jewish couples were shamed and harassed.
The Nazis soon started rounding up as many European Jews as they could and sent them to death camps. Six million Jews would be brutally murdered by means of gassing, mass executions, starvation, and being worked to death by the time the war was over. This extended well beyond Europe. North African Jews were target for extermination as well by the Afrika Korps and the SS and their Italian and Arab allies. Fascist Italy mercilessly persecuted the black Jews of Ethiopia as well. No Jew anywhere in the world except in America and the Anglosphere, was spared. This is why Israel had to be created in 1948 and why Jews had been moving back to the holy land since the 1840s with things really picking up in the 1880s after the pogroms in Russia. Israel was the safe haven the Jewish people desperately needed. What’s the alternative? Jewish DPs return to Europe? That didn’t go so well. Like the pogrom that was done in Poland in 1946. Jewish DPs in Germany were hated and resented by many Germans and were seen as lazy foreigners leeching off the fatherland and as living reminders of a time in history Germans just wanted to forget.
Jews living in the Soviet Union and Eastern European continued to be hated and to face discrimination and oppression LONG after the Second World War ended. So the choice was clear, go to Israel and build a new and better life for yourself and your family and most European Jews chose to do just that. Israel’s early years were hard and they had to fight both the British Empire and the Arabs to restore an independent Judean nation in the land of milk and honey but they did it. By the way, I saw anti-Zionist loon Katie Halper ranting about how Zionism is a settler-colonial project yesterday, so I thought it important to make this point again. The Jewish people are the indigenous people of the land of Eretz-Israel and have maintained a constant presence there for three millennia. It was in fact the Arabs who colonized them. The Palestinians are the descends of Arab settler colonists and immigrants. Funny how Katie never mentioned that on Piers Morgan’s show at any point. The origins of the Palestinians seem to be unknown to her. The Jewish people are the land’s first and original inhabitants. She hilariously uploaded a video on her channel and in the title claimed she “crushed” and “embarrassed” her Zionist opponent. You’ll note the video is just of her ranting and repeating the same old anti-Zionist talking points we’ve heard a million times and she cites no sources to back up any of her claims.
You have to be aware of all of this history to understand what Israel is fighting today
Also get acquainted with the evil political system, totalitarian and the hate for jews and others in the second half of the Quran (there are ~30 versions...) which drives Muslims : www.thereligionofpeace.com
The title of this post is both factually incorrect and offensive. And it gives ammunition to people who make exactly that same claim. No, antisemitism is not the reason Zionism exists. It may have spurred Herzl into creating secular Zionism, but actual Zionism is part and parcel of Judaism and always has been.
Modern political Zionism exists because of the hostile Jew hatred of Europe. This spurred both Herzl, the father of modern Zionism and Jabotinsky, the father of Revisionist Zionism. That is a fact. The longing for Zion is part of the Jewish faith but that is not the same thing as modern Zionism.
"The improved living conditions and growing job market attracted a surge of Arab migration from surrounding regions — Syria, Lebanon, and Transjordan — drawn by the prospect of work in Jewish-founded enterprises. Ironically, the very development work intended to secure a Jewish foothold in the land also swelled the local Arab population, planting demographic and political seeds that would later factor into the intensifying conflict."
Actually, th eSyria, Lebanon, and Transjordan Arabs migrating to the improved opportunities in the burgeoning Mandate Palestine are indigenous Palestinians. Gotta love the modern logic.
The "bloody [YomKippur war] domino led, unexpectedly, to peace."
If it did, it was a marriage in. which one spouse would clinically be found to be frigid. Ditto with the peace with Jordan.
"The [Oslo Accords] promise was intoxicating: mutual recognition, security cooperation, an end to decades of hostility."
The PLO, let alone Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, never recognized Israel as a sovereign state with the right to exist unmolested. The Oslo Accords have been violated in multiple ways that would declare them in material breach of contract, the fulfillment of its obligations rendered impossible, and thus the contract itself null and void.
"The Gaza withdrawal was intended as a bold reset: a way to reduce friction, improve security, and demonstrate willingness to make painful concessions for peace. The hope was that the Palestinian Authority would govern Gaza responsibly, allowing for economic growth and a model of coexistence."
Given this massive failure, isn't Israel at the very minimum morally entitled to retake the Gaza strip as it is now held under false pretenses? Legally? That is another matter. Wonder what the experts on international law, Natasha Hausdorff, Eugene Kontorovich, and Alan dershowitz would have to say about it. What the world would say is a foregone conclusion as when it comes to law (International Law and Customary International Law) events clearly show time and again that their terms and conditions largely do not apply if Jews are involved.
On other forum I get the Jew haters arguing about what constitutes a semite trying to muddy the water of the issue of their dislike of Israel and Hebrews, as the ancients were called. They resort to word tricks thinking they're so clever and fail magnificently in the semantic game because the core of the arguments never change from "I hate Jews."
The two-state solution was not imposed by international pressure, nor was Oslo. Both were creations of Israelis, as was the Gaza disengagement. Oslo was negotiated by Peres and his subordinates behind the back of Rabin and in violation of Israeli law. It passed the Knesset when a Shas member was bribed to vote in favor of it and so passed by one vote. Jewish history is not a pawn only to outside forces. Now we are in a position to write our own destiny. Being knifed in the back verbally by western democracies does not mean Israel has to fold, especially given Israel has quite the nuclear arsenal.
Correct. The entire premise of Oslo was the most catastrophic mistake in Israeli history and one Ben Gurion would never have made. Peres and Rabin because he went along with it caused harm to Israel which continues to this very second. Talk about unforeseen consequences. Rabin supported Oslo because he thought Arafat would deal with Hamas ruthlessly. Instead Hamas has now been legitimized by the world and has murdered thousands of Israelis and promises to do more while the world demands they be permitted to rebuild so they can do so. It was foreseeable to anyone with an ounce of sense.
No, Zionism exists because the Jewish holy books are largely about a covenant with Yahweh for Canaan, for which that god orders genocides many times. Jewish longing for this “promised land” never left since their crushing defeat under Rome. Antisemites take the Jews as a bad race or bloodline, the flip side of Jewish superiority as laid out in Jewish holy books.
Excellent historical article.
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Dude, you need to manage your own subscription. Unsubscribe yourself!
Show me/tell me where the option appears for me to unsubscribe.Do not refer to me as “dude.” That is an insulting & antiquated term. We have established that familiarity!
Go to your freaking Substack account page and unsubscribe and stop annoying everyone else with your nurishkeit.
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