Not completely, like he said they still exist (communism and nazism do and Islamism will), but they can and should be removed from power and rendered impotent.
Hamas is an acronym for Herakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya which literally means Islamic Resistance Movement.
Please realize this is not a national liberation movement but a religious supremacist group. They are fringe groups motivated by extreme beliefs. Isolated their teachers and leaders from their followers. Replace these people with leaders that have the interest of the people at heart and the enemy will be defeated.
'Until Israel and its partners have a workable plan for dealing with the Iranians and the Qataris, the only practical option to substitute Hamas’ governing and military apparatus is an Israeli presence in the Gaza Strip, similar to what Israel does in the Palestinian West Bank.' TRUE
'Perhaps it is these same people who contend that “Hamas cannot be eliminated” — as if they know anything about anything.' TRUE
Quoting Einat Wilf Linknedin in-app translation from Hebrew — brilliant!
“I referred to the "you can't kill an idea" rant at the beginning of the war. Of course you can. Humanity has eradicated many ideas throughout history. "So you can't eradicate an idea in war." Again, of course you can. On the contrary, losing a war is a key means of eradicating the idea of the losing side. When an idea leads to destruction and destruction, there is a natural human tendency to wonder if it wasn't such a good idea. (True, in the end there must be an alternative idea to an idea that collapses, but the very fact of losing the war opens the door to the entry of a new idea.)
For years I have been desperate in the face of contempt for both the government and the army for the power of Palestinian ideology, which is not only built on the rejection of Zionism, but has been doing so for a hundred years with the support of every anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist element from Nazi Germany, pan-Arabism, the Soviet Union and Iran. We are unwilling to honor the Palestinian Arabs' ongoing commitment to the elimination of Jewish sovereignty, and this contempt is repeatedly held back.
The invasion, occupation and massacre carried out by the Gaza army on October 7 were intended more than anything else to kill an idea – the idea that the Jews can maintain a sovereign state in their historic homeland – by sticking a dagger in the heart of the raison d'être of the State of Israel, that Jews can exist as safe, equal, sovereign, free and master of themselves in their historic homeland.
Many of us are stuck in the crooked thought that the current war is against 30,000 skilled Hamas murderers. These murderers did what they did in the name of the exciting idea that they would be the ones to lead the Jewish state to its extinction, thus inspiring others to prove that their way is just and right. That is why Hamas' demand for the release of the hostages from day one – and the reason they were abducted in the first place – is to serve as an insurance policy and a guarantee of Hamas victory.
If anything, the heart of this war is a war over ideas. Therefore, it is precisely the definition of the goals of war in such a limited manner that leads us to lose, because if the war is only against 30,000 skilled murderers, then we are required to supply the enemy in time of war, and send our soldiers to fight as if these thousands of skilled murderers have nothing to do with Gaza or with the Palestinian ideology that rejects Zionism as a whole.
It is precisely the depth of the brutality of the invasion, massacre and occupation of October 7 that should have led Israel to declare that it is not entering another round, but is fighting to bring to an end the Palestinian Arab Hundred Years War against Jewish sovereignty. Such a definition would have included action for the military defeat of the Gaza army together with an emphasis on diplomatic and political activity to dry up the fueling sources of the Hundred Years War, from UNRWA to Qatar, with a clear emphasis that just as our enemies are waging all-out war on a variety of fronts and means against Jewish sovereignty, we are working to defeat the idea that Jewish sovereignty is a foreign and temporary element in the region.”
If we are not fighting here for the Zionist idea and against the anti-Zionist obsession, then what are we actually fighting for?”
Not only can Israel eliminate Hamas militarily; it can take over Gaza, flood it with Jews, control it with the IDF and police forces, and subjugate the Muslims there to a regime of supervision and re-education while working to have them leave over the long run. Those who remain will have to prove they can be law-abiding supervisors of municipal services. But they will have no citizenship in Israel. That would suffice.
That is a very expensive proposition for making Israel the policeman for the region. But forget about the world (and even our so-called allies) ever delivering justice to Jews. The last time they did was in 1948, but it came with a heavy price of ongoing war with Arabs and being forced to give back territories we won in war; territories which were ours anyway. We must adopt a new paradigm for national survival; one that doesn't constantly involve pleading our case to deaf ears. Put ever darn shekel into developing technology; especially cyber tech; that gives us the "leverage" we need to evict the Palestinian scourge and turn Gaza, Judea and Samaria into gardens of Eden.
I don't understand your comment. Is it an objection to what I propose? In short, Israel must annex Gaza, settle it, make it rich, the garden of Eden you talk about. Doing so would pay for itself. It has nothing to do with Israel's becoming the policeman for the region. And I know of no Arab state that would object except by scoring ideological points that would soon wither.
I'm raising problems with the idea. I picked up on the policing of Gaza; flooding it with Jews and trying to subjugate the the Muslims to rehab, re-education, etc. Can you imagine how much that will cost - in dollars (shekels) and manpower? That would mean diverting much-needed funds from important areas and projects, including services to the Israel people who suffered at the hands of Gazans and other Muslims. And do you really think re-education of Muslims by JEWS has a hope in hell of working; or even by non-Jews? Gazans are brainwashed with hate for Jews and Israel. Their ideology insists that Gaza, along with every other part of Israel - is theirs, not ours. IT WON'T WORK. And why should Israel pay for this? The entire Middle East is responsible for creating these monsters and the US keeps stopping us from eliminating them and their puppet-masters, the Iranians. I want the Gazans gone; sent to Arab countries they came from. And I want Israel to have enough leverage to make the US and the Arabs accept this. Put some of that money to making Israel militarily unbeatable.
On the contrary, it is an income producing plan. Jews could turn the Gaza beachfront into the Mediterranean riviera. Housing prices in Israel would drop as Jews could buy more affordable property in Gaza. I would be happy to now a beachfront lot. The military costs of policing Gaza are much reduced with Jews living there. Israel would not pay to reconstruct Gaza. The Gazans who live there would have to do the work and pay for what they get as services. No more international aid going to fund Palestinian gangsters. All aid would go through Israel. And the Arabs would eventually go once the mosques are closed and education is in Hebrew. Think outside the box. Don't worry about what Gazans think now. After fifty years of Israeli rule those who remain will start to think differently.
No, what would happen is that you'd create a society of slaves (Gazans) and masters (Jews). Using people who hate us already. Sorry, but that's a terrible premise to build anything positive on.
Gazans would be free to leave if they so choose. If not, they could stay and earn their keep. That's not slavery. That's economic freedom in a foreign country. They would be guest workers in Israel with a certain amount of autonomy, somewhat like the millet system of the Ottoman Empire. Gazans don't have to like Jews, but they have to behave if they are living among them. Of course, they could all be put on rafts and sent to Turkey, an option to which I would not be opposed either.
Josh, this article is spot on. The world (including Arab countries) must be willing to topple the Iranian regime the way Nazi Germany was toppled. THIS is what protests should be about. We must join with our Persian comrades to send the message to pro-Palestinian idiots that IRAN is the tyrant over them; not Israel, just as Iran is persecuting its own people. And, if Israel must police the Pallies while Iran's proxies still rule them ideologically (if not in the flesh), other countries must help finance this. (It would help if Israel had some "leverage" to convince them to do this. Either a carrot type leverage or a stick. We cannot depend on who happens to be occupying the White House to work with us.)
In other words, we haven’t been occupying Gaza , but let’s start!! I agree. Throw out UNRWA, get rid of tunnels, total control over what comes in, build an infrastructure including a new education system and to hell with world opinion. Meanwhile, Israel has to start manufacturing its own weapons. And get those regional allies involved!!!
Most ideas have a life span. There are few universal timeless truths. Ideas evolve, wither and fade out constantly. Bad ideas exposed as such have a shorter lifespan than a good idea. The Earth is not flat, for example . The idea that it is may resonate with a few dingbats, but it’s not going anywhere. It is possible and necessary to eliminate Hamas as a political and military entity. It is possible and necessary to force an evolution/reformation of the idea that it’s desirable behavior to massacre and dominate people who disagree with Islam’s precepts of conquest and superiority. It will be ugly, but what’s the alternative? What’s missing in the West is courage and resolve. This is not missing in most Israelis. For example, the Mayor of Gothenburg is an opportunistic coward, like most corrupt politicians. We have to take out the trash. Vote the accommodationists out. The Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank need radical reformation. Essentially these populations are dedicated to terrorism. I’m trying, but failing, to think of any other population that is generationally committed to terror outside of Islamic majority countries. It’s the same problem as recidivist criminality. It may take generations under different leadership to alter the mindset of the people. But it has to be done.
Hamas like Nazism and Communism can and should be eradicated
Not completely, like he said they still exist (communism and nazism do and Islamism will), but they can and should be removed from power and rendered impotent.
Nazism as it existed under Hitler was eradicated as a political and military force in Europe
Ok, well I call it rendered impotent, same thing.
Hamas is an acronym for Herakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya which literally means Islamic Resistance Movement.
Please realize this is not a national liberation movement but a religious supremacist group. They are fringe groups motivated by extreme beliefs. Isolated their teachers and leaders from their followers. Replace these people with leaders that have the interest of the people at heart and the enemy will be defeated.
'Until Israel and its partners have a workable plan for dealing with the Iranians and the Qataris, the only practical option to substitute Hamas’ governing and military apparatus is an Israeli presence in the Gaza Strip, similar to what Israel does in the Palestinian West Bank.' TRUE
'Perhaps it is these same people who contend that “Hamas cannot be eliminated” — as if they know anything about anything.' TRUE
Quoting Einat Wilf Linknedin in-app translation from Hebrew — brilliant!
“I referred to the "you can't kill an idea" rant at the beginning of the war. Of course you can. Humanity has eradicated many ideas throughout history. "So you can't eradicate an idea in war." Again, of course you can. On the contrary, losing a war is a key means of eradicating the idea of the losing side. When an idea leads to destruction and destruction, there is a natural human tendency to wonder if it wasn't such a good idea. (True, in the end there must be an alternative idea to an idea that collapses, but the very fact of losing the war opens the door to the entry of a new idea.)
For years I have been desperate in the face of contempt for both the government and the army for the power of Palestinian ideology, which is not only built on the rejection of Zionism, but has been doing so for a hundred years with the support of every anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist element from Nazi Germany, pan-Arabism, the Soviet Union and Iran. We are unwilling to honor the Palestinian Arabs' ongoing commitment to the elimination of Jewish sovereignty, and this contempt is repeatedly held back.
The invasion, occupation and massacre carried out by the Gaza army on October 7 were intended more than anything else to kill an idea – the idea that the Jews can maintain a sovereign state in their historic homeland – by sticking a dagger in the heart of the raison d'être of the State of Israel, that Jews can exist as safe, equal, sovereign, free and master of themselves in their historic homeland.
Many of us are stuck in the crooked thought that the current war is against 30,000 skilled Hamas murderers. These murderers did what they did in the name of the exciting idea that they would be the ones to lead the Jewish state to its extinction, thus inspiring others to prove that their way is just and right. That is why Hamas' demand for the release of the hostages from day one – and the reason they were abducted in the first place – is to serve as an insurance policy and a guarantee of Hamas victory.
If anything, the heart of this war is a war over ideas. Therefore, it is precisely the definition of the goals of war in such a limited manner that leads us to lose, because if the war is only against 30,000 skilled murderers, then we are required to supply the enemy in time of war, and send our soldiers to fight as if these thousands of skilled murderers have nothing to do with Gaza or with the Palestinian ideology that rejects Zionism as a whole.
It is precisely the depth of the brutality of the invasion, massacre and occupation of October 7 that should have led Israel to declare that it is not entering another round, but is fighting to bring to an end the Palestinian Arab Hundred Years War against Jewish sovereignty. Such a definition would have included action for the military defeat of the Gaza army together with an emphasis on diplomatic and political activity to dry up the fueling sources of the Hundred Years War, from UNRWA to Qatar, with a clear emphasis that just as our enemies are waging all-out war on a variety of fronts and means against Jewish sovereignty, we are working to defeat the idea that Jewish sovereignty is a foreign and temporary element in the region.”
If we are not fighting here for the Zionist idea and against the anti-Zionist obsession, then what are we actually fighting for?”
Not only can Israel eliminate Hamas militarily; it can take over Gaza, flood it with Jews, control it with the IDF and police forces, and subjugate the Muslims there to a regime of supervision and re-education while working to have them leave over the long run. Those who remain will have to prove they can be law-abiding supervisors of municipal services. But they will have no citizenship in Israel. That would suffice.
That is a very expensive proposition for making Israel the policeman for the region. But forget about the world (and even our so-called allies) ever delivering justice to Jews. The last time they did was in 1948, but it came with a heavy price of ongoing war with Arabs and being forced to give back territories we won in war; territories which were ours anyway. We must adopt a new paradigm for national survival; one that doesn't constantly involve pleading our case to deaf ears. Put ever darn shekel into developing technology; especially cyber tech; that gives us the "leverage" we need to evict the Palestinian scourge and turn Gaza, Judea and Samaria into gardens of Eden.
I don't understand your comment. Is it an objection to what I propose? In short, Israel must annex Gaza, settle it, make it rich, the garden of Eden you talk about. Doing so would pay for itself. It has nothing to do with Israel's becoming the policeman for the region. And I know of no Arab state that would object except by scoring ideological points that would soon wither.
I'm raising problems with the idea. I picked up on the policing of Gaza; flooding it with Jews and trying to subjugate the the Muslims to rehab, re-education, etc. Can you imagine how much that will cost - in dollars (shekels) and manpower? That would mean diverting much-needed funds from important areas and projects, including services to the Israel people who suffered at the hands of Gazans and other Muslims. And do you really think re-education of Muslims by JEWS has a hope in hell of working; or even by non-Jews? Gazans are brainwashed with hate for Jews and Israel. Their ideology insists that Gaza, along with every other part of Israel - is theirs, not ours. IT WON'T WORK. And why should Israel pay for this? The entire Middle East is responsible for creating these monsters and the US keeps stopping us from eliminating them and their puppet-masters, the Iranians. I want the Gazans gone; sent to Arab countries they came from. And I want Israel to have enough leverage to make the US and the Arabs accept this. Put some of that money to making Israel militarily unbeatable.
I would be happy to own a beachfront lot. (correction of a typo!)
On the contrary, it is an income producing plan. Jews could turn the Gaza beachfront into the Mediterranean riviera. Housing prices in Israel would drop as Jews could buy more affordable property in Gaza. I would be happy to now a beachfront lot. The military costs of policing Gaza are much reduced with Jews living there. Israel would not pay to reconstruct Gaza. The Gazans who live there would have to do the work and pay for what they get as services. No more international aid going to fund Palestinian gangsters. All aid would go through Israel. And the Arabs would eventually go once the mosques are closed and education is in Hebrew. Think outside the box. Don't worry about what Gazans think now. After fifty years of Israeli rule those who remain will start to think differently.
No, what would happen is that you'd create a society of slaves (Gazans) and masters (Jews). Using people who hate us already. Sorry, but that's a terrible premise to build anything positive on.
Gazans would be free to leave if they so choose. If not, they could stay and earn their keep. That's not slavery. That's economic freedom in a foreign country. They would be guest workers in Israel with a certain amount of autonomy, somewhat like the millet system of the Ottoman Empire. Gazans don't have to like Jews, but they have to behave if they are living among them. Of course, they could all be put on rafts and sent to Turkey, an option to which I would not be opposed either.
Josh, this article is spot on. The world (including Arab countries) must be willing to topple the Iranian regime the way Nazi Germany was toppled. THIS is what protests should be about. We must join with our Persian comrades to send the message to pro-Palestinian idiots that IRAN is the tyrant over them; not Israel, just as Iran is persecuting its own people. And, if Israel must police the Pallies while Iran's proxies still rule them ideologically (if not in the flesh), other countries must help finance this. (It would help if Israel had some "leverage" to convince them to do this. Either a carrot type leverage or a stick. We cannot depend on who happens to be occupying the White House to work with us.)
In other words, we haven’t been occupying Gaza , but let’s start!! I agree. Throw out UNRWA, get rid of tunnels, total control over what comes in, build an infrastructure including a new education system and to hell with world opinion. Meanwhile, Israel has to start manufacturing its own weapons. And get those regional allies involved!!!
Israel is not going to eliminate Islamism.
I agree! This is an excellent plan. I truly hope it can be adopted.
Most ideas have a life span. There are few universal timeless truths. Ideas evolve, wither and fade out constantly. Bad ideas exposed as such have a shorter lifespan than a good idea. The Earth is not flat, for example . The idea that it is may resonate with a few dingbats, but it’s not going anywhere. It is possible and necessary to eliminate Hamas as a political and military entity. It is possible and necessary to force an evolution/reformation of the idea that it’s desirable behavior to massacre and dominate people who disagree with Islam’s precepts of conquest and superiority. It will be ugly, but what’s the alternative? What’s missing in the West is courage and resolve. This is not missing in most Israelis. For example, the Mayor of Gothenburg is an opportunistic coward, like most corrupt politicians. We have to take out the trash. Vote the accommodationists out. The Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank need radical reformation. Essentially these populations are dedicated to terrorism. I’m trying, but failing, to think of any other population that is generationally committed to terror outside of Islamic majority countries. It’s the same problem as recidivist criminality. It may take generations under different leadership to alter the mindset of the people. But it has to be done.