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Dan's avatar

The hardest Job is maintaining the Very High standard of Living we enjoy in The West.... John, the State here in the UK does this well. We are Warm, Free, well-fed and Clothed. Most of the Rest of The world Starves, and this is NOT BECAUSE of us here in The West. Watch your Far Right Language and inclination, John.

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Dan's avatar

"conspired to flood Europe with seventy five million.." you write. This is the Language of The Far Right, my friend ...

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Dan's avatar

Easy Mistake to make when you write 'Yet, because their opponents are the world’s villains — the Jews — the Palestinians have a distinct advantage over every other conflict in the world.' This should read, 'their opponents say The Jews are the World's villains'. The Jews are not the world's villains. This a Calumny and a Big Lie.

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

A little sarcasm never hurt anyone. 🙃

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Dan's avatar

I agree, Josh. But Sarcasm is too easy to misquote, and is therefore a gift to the Opposition. To be used carefully therefore. I like your work by the way. Got to your site via Instagram FYI.

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

Good point! And thank you!

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Michelle  S. G.'s avatar

Thanks for this fantastic article! I'd like to add something about exactly how rapey Muslim armies truly are and for anyone to say otherwise is bonkers. "During the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War, members of the Pakistani military and Razakar paramilitary force raped between 200,000 and 400,000 Bengali women and girls in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape. Most of the rape victims of the Pakistani Army and its allies were Hindu women." The crap about Muslims not raping Israeli women is the most offensive lie that I've heard since October 7th and I've heard a lot of terrible stuff.

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

Amen.

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Susan Sullivan's avatar

Yes! Yes! Yes and Yes. A brilliant article!

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Ilana M.'s avatar

Sorry to be facetious. Tired of an observable lack of knowledge. When nuance is missing, nonsense sets in.

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Ilana M.'s avatar

I assume it is a hypothetical conversation?

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

It’s many conversions I have had with so-called pro-Palestinians packed into one.

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Alfred Harder's avatar

Yeah, right.... As if!!! I thought that anti-zionism was anti-semitism and anti-humanism! Eh?

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John's avatar

It's Jew Hate.

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Steve Boronski's avatar

I’m going to need this whenever I’m involved in discussions about Israel, thank you.

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

👍👍

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Russell Gold's avatar

You wrote:

>> “Palestine” is the only country in the world that never existed before its so-called existence.

I suspect that you meant, "before it's so-called 'occupation.'"

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

Actually I meant it as I wrote it but your version is equally applicable!

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John's avatar

Just today on Farber a hater posted malarkey to me about Israel dismantling the "Palestinian State".

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Viktor Khandourine's avatar

That's the point. In their heads, everything is so upside down and confused (the expression “full of crap” fits much better, but I don’t use it), that it is impossible to even determine where their total ignorance ends and cheap propaganda begins.

In the same way, more than a hundred years ago, it was difficult for Jew-haters to answer the question “why do Jews add the blood of innocent Christian babies to matzo?”

You don’t even know where to start, because you have to start with very simple and basic knowledge, which they don’t have.

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John's avatar

I can offer a good starting point.

Koran Sura 5, especially v21,22.

The Koran explicitly states that Israel belongs to the Jews and also the reason why: that God gave it to them.

The reason neither Droolers nor Muslims understand this is because just like Churchians ( as distinguished from actual Christians) Muslims generally don't read the book, they just warm a bench and let someone in a silly costume tell them what they want their audience to think the book says.

There is a group, formerly known as TrueTorahJews, somehow they now have the name TorahJews and they are led by some freak who calls himself Gregory Abdul-Jabbar or something similar, a quasi Arab name I suppose.

He goes around looking for references to the Koran and falsely debunks it by the absurd claim that the Diaspora is the end of the line and Israel can't be redeemed.

And it's that tendency for people to prefer hearing someone else tell them what to think that makes him garner upvotes.

No one could actually be fooled by that if they even read Joel 3, let alone if they actually had mastered Torah and were qualified to teach it.

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John's avatar

The point everyone needs to understand is that while evil person's of Jewish descent do exist, they can't really be Jews.

They can only be JINOs because they have broken the covenant, and they are not heirs to the promise but the curses accruing from the breech of the covenant and associated evil acts.

Just as importantly, people need to realize the CIA, on behalf of The Crown is the Deep State, and it originated in an Egyptian Cult millennia ago,which the British monarchy adheres to.

This is what Bohemian Grove and MK Ultra derive from.

And while there are persons of Jewish descent involved in these things, their ostensible Jewishness does not give them any special status.

In fact.there is a specific term for their position in the hierarchy that shows their lack of status and power: Court Jew.

You may recognize that that term has been around for hundreds of years.

It's really quite absurd for anyone to deny that The Crown is the fount of evil in this world, and has been for a thousand years.

The current concern for the food supply is based in an old tactic of the Crown known as Scorvhed Earth Warfare.

It was employed in Ireland in the 12th century Norman Invasion and culminated in the genocide deceptively termed a Potato Famine.

In reality, the potato is not even indigenous to Ireland, and was cultivated because The Crown's Land Thieves drove the Irish onto the rockiest , most barren land

Their former lands were as productive as ever, and vastly more food was removed under Army guard than would have been needed to feed the island multiple times over.

The same pernicious evil continues unabated today, and from The Crown emanates Transexuals, sex Trafficking of children, drug cartels and every other Satanic influence you see around you.

It's not a Jewish plot, but a long established British plot.

Back in the day, the Rolling Stones released " Her Satanic Majesties Request.

They weren't kidding.

The sixties Counter Culture came from The Crown as well, via The Tavistock Institute, and the Stones were well aware of that, hence the album title.

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Dan's avatar

Lay off The British Crown. We have a successful Christian Monarchy here, and The Royal Family is well disposed towards both Jewish people who live here in The UK, and to Israel.

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John's avatar

You have a Satanic Monarchy headed by a sexual pervert running buddy of Jimmy Saville who is the De Facto head of the Deep State and whose recent ancestors did everything they could to enable Hitler.

You are a member of a parasitic nation whose wealth was stolen from weaker nations through war, repression and genocide, the toll from which is conservatively estimated at 25 million dead.

You are the home of the 1st Totalitarian 15 Minute City in the world and your government is held hostage by The Crown's subservient Luciferians .

Your monarchs are crowned seated above a cesspool cover they imagine as a successfully stolen Stone of Scone.

Thanks to Scots patriots , the Stone remains safe and hidden.

Your streets are full of military age invaders and your authorities have conspired to flood Europe with seventy five million more.

You have nothing to defend, The Crown is the source of evil from the Tavistock Institute to the Totalitarian factory that is the Rhodes Scholarship Program.

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Russell Gold's avatar

Ah, OK. I was confused because I wasn’t aware of other countries existing before they existed.

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

That’s the point, isn’t it? 🤣

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The Cholent's avatar

I spent a week in a surprisingly respectful debate with a Jewish pro-Palestinian. I challenged and refuted his arguments one by one but he couldn’t let go of his deeply held false premise that Hamas is just doing what any oppressed group would do, and if Israel just granted freedom and equality to Gazans this whole conflict would go away.

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

At best this person is miseducated. At worst they have internalized antisemitism. Oppressed people don’t rape, mutilate, behead, etc their way out of oppression. What a sick way of looking at oppression.

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The Cholent's avatar

Yes, I made all these points. He is actually a retired professor! I can only hope he will start to think differently now.

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

Ugh, what a shame. Thanks for sharing though ❤️

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Edward Sinclair's avatar

Seems so logical and simple. Unfortunately, this argument is falling and has always fallen on deaf ears…

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Adina Horwich's avatar

You can take the Jew out of Israel but you can't take Israel out of the Jew. The two go hand in hand, are inseparable and indistinguishable, no matter who, however hard, tries to do so. Am Yisrael Chai!

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Viktor Khandourine's avatar

You have just given a simple definition of Zionism.

Israel has been inseparable from the Jews for thousands of years. It has always been in the culture, religion, dreams and desires of the Jews. For thousands of years. This is what the Jews have been fighting for and striving for for centuries.

Therefore, anyone who claims to be an anti-Zionist denies the Jews’ right to their history, their culture and their religion. He denies the right of the Jews to their own state, which they aspired to, but gives the right to this to all other peoples, especially those who never sought to create their own states, but received them as a gift during the imperialist division of the losing empire.

This means he is a real anti-Semite, and anti-Zionism is just a special case of anti-Semitism.

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John's avatar

It is prattled about that the media has demonized Muslims.

I am pretty sure it was the Barbary Pirates that did that, and the Muslim Heirs of that culture propagate it today.

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Joshua Hoffman's avatar

Amen 🙏

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John's avatar

If you want to maximize the effectiveness of this narrative, you should engage with Celia Farber's Stack.

It is chock full of drooling ignorant Jew Haters who need a dose of reality.

On Wordpress, Helena Glass has similar nonsense filled Jew Hater insanity and an echo chamber of similarly ignorant hate filled freaks.

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Viktor Khandourine's avatar

Do you think that sectarians can be convinced?

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John's avatar

No. Only the undecided.

The thing is, these are not actually Jew Hater sites, vile as these columns are.

Surprisingly, they often have good reporting on other subjects.

Which is what makes them so very insidious.

A lot of the readers are not themselves Jew Haters, and subscribed before Oct 7.

Those people presumably are the ones upvoting my posts.

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Diane Steiner's avatar

I tried to read one of the articles and couldn't get through it without feeling sick.

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John's avatar

Yes, it's not easy going, and really the worst part is the resolute stupidity.

One tried to defusey posting prophesy by claiming it was a logical fallacy!

I don't think she even believes that, the phrase gets bandied about by ignorant people unsure,of anything about the concept except it "sounds intellectual".

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John's avatar

The two I mentioned aren't regular anti Jewish sites.

They are general alternative news sites, only focusing on Israel since Oct 7, and still with as many unrelated articles as those on the war or Israel.

There are a lot of readers who don't support Hamas.

I get a fair number of upvotes there, often more than many of the haters.

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