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Barry's avatar

1. If you are going to discuss this in an open forum like this, then expect push back, publicly and privately. Expect, prepare, execute, and don't whine. I don't disagree with the substance of this presentation. Not at all.

2. We all need to train and prepare - from the physical to the mental to the legal. And, there needs to be coordination.

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thenullset's avatar

Agreed, but when will Jewish organizations wake up and get on this. It's still a bunch of whining and being like, awww they said something mean about AIPAC. Screw the haters, get organized. I thought we were organized?

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Malcolm's avatar

We are not, if anything we have never been less organized, the dispora have failed the Jewish nation in a mammoth way, we failed to educate our children, we let the past be forgotten and we allowed our children to be taken captive by Arab money.

We have failed miserably, 36% of NYC Jews voted for a lying piece of Muslim garbage to bring down one of the leading Jewish cities in the world, so yes we have failed miserabley and we are going to pay dearly for this mistake.

This fight for civilization has just begun and it's going to get really bad, 10 X worse than what happened to us in WWII, more than half the Jews on the planet will die because we cannot get our idiot heads out of our collective asses to gather and build a collective defense against what is coming.

We know what we have to do and who we have to do it too, but we won't, we don't have the will needed to protect our tiny nation from the evil it faces, and until we do, we will continue to die and suffer from both the filthy islamists as well as the psychotic left, the choice belongs to us, and if you stand alone, no matter how much money you have that you think will protect you, it won't and they will come for you.

The only way we survive what's coming, is collectively, pooling our resources and our abilities, it's either that or we have less than 15 to 20 years left on this planet, make a choice or pay the price, it's all up to you.

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thenullset's avatar

Totally agree, but many are motivated by tikkun olam and kumbayah and a desire to be "liked" online and IRL. We need a new approach and new leadership. I'm not sure the "orgs" even get the problem.

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bxpansive's avatar

It's this 'liked' compulsion/obsession/mindset that is one problem, as you say. And maybe I'm being a pain by repeating that some things are appropriate online, in public forums, and some need to be discussed only among Jews who are open to seeing reality and not stuck in delusions.

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thenullset's avatar

Shalom in the home.

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bxpansive's avatar

I don't agree with '10x worse'. Not because the historically proven expectation of physical, financial, social, etc violence is not going to be proven true again. Rather it's needless hyperbole that, imo, takes away from what is going to happen.

Do 'we' know what we have to do? Obviously, many Jews don't - either because they grew up in a happy short-term delusion/golden age or because they don't want to know..

I agree with a lot of your sentiment and awareness. I'm just adding some thoughts, not trying to dismiss what you're saying.

"This fight for civilization"? I've been wondering if that's a delusion or false activity. How many people care for the civilization that you and I and many commenting here care for? There are many people in the world who are just too mentally lazy or grew up without thoughtful conversations about what civilization means. Or, they grew up in a home that has its own version of supremacy.

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Stephanee Rose's avatar

While I know a few Jews who are armed, I had to join Republican Women in my city to take part in their monthly target practice.

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Beth Fleet's avatar

Hey Stephanee!!!!

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Barry's avatar

I learned 5yrs ago. I think we all need to take classes and then train train train with non-lethal devices and techniques. In many States, appropriate self defense will still result in prison time. It's sick but it's reality. I took a class from a guy who has served in the armed services and been a cop for probably 40yrs. After taking a couple of classes from him, I don't want to carry. Maybe I could survive prison, maybe not, but I expect I'd be a sick mess afterwards. Some say it's preferable to being dead but I am not so sure - just speaking for myself. And at the same time, id like to take as many of the attackers with me and make it ugly. So, keep learning situational awareness, stay out of bad neighborhoods. Most of all, though, if you're going to carry, know that you will go 100%, will not hesitate, and train tactically. Target practice is 10%. You have draw instinctively, have a round in the chamber, breath, and be prepared mentally from the moment you strap on.

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Stephanee Rose's avatar

Barry, sorry to hear that you live in a state that would arrest you for self defense! Florida is one of the most reasonable Imo! Never again is only possible if we defend it.

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Barry's avatar

Yep. It is like that. People get put for 5yrs for self defense.

A spectrum of self defense is of course best. I have had it emphasized from different sources to train train train in whatever we practice. Knowing is superficial, mental preparedness and body memory is deeper and leads to effectiveness.

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Stephanee Rose's avatar

You know how to be safe. Hope you can leave your dangerous state.

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The New Western Doctrine's avatar

There are many dimensions to this struggle, but the one most relevant to many of us here is the battle in the information space. So far, it hasn’t gone well, and without a strategy and a plan worth pursuing, that won’t change. I have my own ideas for such a plan, but I’d be glad to hear others ...

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thenullset's avatar

I'm curious about the strategy too. We need solutions not more critique. Share, please share.

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The New Western Doctrine's avatar

Very briefly: there are three major components in what I call “The New Western Doctrine.” The first is the creation of a “shared, unbiased information space” through international agreements among Western nations.

You can find more details here:

https://elusive-world.com/nations-should-have-rights-too-the-right-to-be-heard/

and much much more on:

https://elusive-world.com or

https://western-doctrine.com/blog/

and of course, on my Substack

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Embodied Therapy's avatar

This is inspiring, courageous and should be read in every Jewish house in the world!

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thenullset's avatar

It's about time. It's time to learn from others. We need to tell our stories, be firm and open to a conversation, and when someone has a plan - remind them what happens when people think they have a plan.

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Malcolm's avatar

The time for polite conversation is long past, the time for redress and the elimination of our enemies is now, its that or walk yourself into the ovens of our future!

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thenullset's avatar

Agreed. We can have polite talk with those left with reason. Those that do not want to share a common vision for mutual benefit, rather that are motivates by hate, we should apply all legal applications such as civil and criminal code.

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Drhmay's avatar

Excellent article. For years too many Jews, mainly outside Israel, have made tikkun olam the centrality of their Jewish existence and practice, as if being nice would somehow placate the Jew haters. History shows it was always failed

When aggression or violence against Jews isn't met forcefully, it incentivizes the perpetrator to repeat it. I'm not criticizing the principle of tikkun olam, but as they say in airplanes, put your own oxygen mask on before helping others. Tikkun Olam cannot serve in place of self preservation.

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Malcolm's avatar

Tikkun Olam implies a future, we wont have one unless we unite and go into a full on offensive strategy that will secure our people, WTF is no one getting this, we are at the gates of hell and we need to become the gangsters that were our fore-bearers if we are to survive into the future, we have all seen what was done on Oct 7, so just what is it going to take to stop this headlong tumble into the damnation of our own future, when are we going to say its enough!

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Puck's avatar

" If people want to mess with the Jews, let them feel the very real consequences."

Had the Brown Shirts been met with Jewish Krav Maga youth, it is most likely there would never have been a Holocaust. Where are out Meyer Lansky and Mickey Cohens and their fearless co-religionists who broke up the East and West coast American Bund rallies of the 1930s.

"many Jewish communities have raised an entire generation of Jews on the ambiguous, theoretical concept known as “tikkun olam” (repairing the world)"

The JINOs liberally toss around the phrase "tikku olem" to justify their connivance with Red-Green axis who would destroy them given the opportunity.

Contrary to these Red-Green dyed Jews rationalization, tikkun olam is not central to Jewish belief. It is based on the Kabbalistic fable that God emptied himself into a vessel, which burst because it couldn't contain Him.

It is a self-contradictory absurdity. Think about it. How can the All-and-Everything confine itself to a jug? Even if one put all the pieces back together, how could God possible re-inhabit it? No . . . the Jewish destiny is not tikun olam. Boy, secularists will hate this next statement, but according to Torah, the destiny of Jews is to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation, of being a light unto the world through the ethics of Torah as codified in the Ten Commandments. It is to guard and preserve the Jews' core religeo-ethnicity upon which the People's selfhood rests: God, the Covenant, and the Promised Land, Israel.

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Miriamnae's avatar

Amen. No one loved the law more than King David, writing the psalms in one hand, weapon in the other.

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Puck's avatar

There are many instances in Torah from the time of Moses to the closing chapter of Tanach when Jews, very pious and devout Jews, with God's own approval, took up arms to defend their homeland.

What possible religious excuse can the Haredi use to violate this sacred mitzvah their forbearers faithfully observed.

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Alan Segal's avatar

“It never occurred to them that they would encounter resistance”. What a beautiful thought. The time for dialogue and letter writing is over. Change the narrative so Jew haters think twice about messing with us again.

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Richard Baker's avatar

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” Ronald Reagan in 1987. This applies to Israel as well.

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Steven Brizel's avatar

We should all adopt the model and strategy of Chabad who refused to leave Crown Heights and served as a model for saving other Jewish neighborhoods in NYC

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Noah Otte's avatar

It’s time for Tikkun Olam 2.0 indeed, Joshua! But it can’t be civility or pacifism, it must be Jewish muscle and self-defense against be the radical left, radical right and Islamists. In every major city, Jewish communities need to form self-defense groups, neighborhood watches and armed militias. In NYC, Jewish militias should link up with Curtis Sliwa and the Guardian Angels. Jewish body builders, wrestlers and athletes should work security for Jewish and pro-Israel events. All Jewish women must carry pepper spray on them. Jewish men and women should purchase firearms and learn how to use them properly. Jewish gun ownership is now more important than ever. All Jewish children should be escorted by their parents or an adult they trust when going to school. Jews must loudly make their voices heard at city council meetings, political demonstrations and rallies, speaking engagements on college campuses, and at school board meetings that antisemitism and antizionism won’t be tolerated anymore.

Jewish and Pro-Israel organizations will hold counter protests against the BDS Movement and take down using physical force, any pro-Palestinian troublemakers who get too close. When radical leftists and Jihadist Brownshirts barge into college classrooms or try to disrupt Jewish or Pro-Israel events they’ll be physically removed by grabbing them by the seat of their pants and throwing them out. Jewish college students should take martial arts classes and private security from within the Jewish community will stand guard at all events as will armed Jewish militia members. Jewish students and faculty will all carry pepper spray or a taser on them at all times. American Jews and their allies will do sit ins in the offices of politicians or public officials who aren’t protecting them and demand answers from them. They’ll show up at press conferences and public events and cross-examine them and make them uncomfortable. Well, it’s only fair as Jews are made to feel uncomfortable all the time. Also, pro-Palestinian students who are violent and commit acts of vandalism will be aggressively named and shamed.

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Jonah's avatar

Whatever happened to the JDL?

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Malcolm's avatar

That is a great question, where is the JDL?

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Jonah's avatar

Jewish Defense League.

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Malcolm's avatar

I know who JDL was, I was a part of it 25 years ago, they seem to have all disappeared.

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Jonah's avatar

Did their disappearance have something to do with the death of Meir Kahane?

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Malcolm's avatar

No it did not, JDL was international, there were chapters all over the world, we defended Jews and shulls everywhere, anywhere antisemitism reared its head we came asskicking and head bashing, we were bouncers at clubs, gatherings, weddings and anywhere large groups of Jews got together.

Then there were other things we did, we had a select group who did a lot of heavy lifting when called for, but I lost touch with all of them but one when I left my home country, he lived where I now live but he died 25 + years ago and I have not heard from anyone since then, but wherever they are, we are in bad need of them and some new young blood today.

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Jonah's avatar

That is weird. It just dissolved?

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Laura's avatar

The JDL got smeared and libeled as "terrorists". Like with Israel, this is what the goyim claim whenever Jews defend themselves. I don't know exactly what caused the JDL to disband.

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Miriamnae's avatar

A lot had to do with Kahane’s assassination. This new Jew hate wave might never have began its crest if he had lived. Because he led us, predicted (prophesied) this day in America.

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Jonah's avatar

Maybe.

I suspect a fair amount of the hate now is linked to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

It led to a power vacuum in a powerful conservative movement, and now lesser names are fighting over the bones like jackals.

Candace Owens, claiming the Joooos killed Charlie Kirk.

Fuentes claiming that he sent his groypers in to take over TPUSA from the inside.

Not sure why Tucker is doing what he's going...

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VYTIS MALECKAS's avatar

Strong article. 100%.

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Victor Leon Ades's avatar

I agree! Enough of we jews being freely harassed worldwide with no consequences. Haters should know we will defend ourselves and think twice before attacking us.

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MICHAEL BELL's avatar

Take a page from the trump playbook. It’s not the “department of defense “ , it’s the “war department “. Time to change minds. Instead of the “JDL (Jewish Defense League )”, how about a more aggressive and fearless mindset. An organization that will have the Jew haters thinking twice before spreading their hateful ideology. “Jewish Revenge League “. Let the haters know there “ will be consequences” for their Jew hate. Nothing illegal of course, but something they’ll fear. Better minds than mine can figure it out.

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John L. Ghertner's avatar

Growing up in the Deep South of the US and ghettoized I was always the little

Jewish kid in school. Then it finally happened, I was physically attacked in school. The idiot didn’t know that I boxed and wrestled and had my forebearers on my shoulder. The skirmish ended when it took three to pull me off of this guy and that is what it took to get them all off me.

But that is not enough today when the state of Israel has now done the same thing. It has left the rest of the nation of Jews in danger. There is something hollow about this discussion which must be discussed with our need to defend ourselves.

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Laura's avatar

How has Israel left the rest of us in danger? You sound like the left.

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John L. Ghertner's avatar

I don’t know where you are from but here in the US 75% of the hate crimes are now against Jews which has doubled. I have been threatened by liberal organizations that I have worked with for years. My family feels in danger as do I. As Mr Hoffman’s essay said, Jews are become gun owners. All of this in the past two years.

And yes I thought I was a progressive until all of this has happened.

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Laura's avatar

I agree but how is that Israel's fault?

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Miriamnae's avatar

Finally! Joshua, a great bit of fighting truth. Lansky, Jabotinsky, Kahane…let’s not forget the Irgun guerrilla turned PM, Menachem Begin, a fighter who helped Israel survive.

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Bless America's avatar

The Holocaust happened because Nazism was believed, imposed and action followed the propaganda. The usurpation of power took hold on prepared ground.There was terrorism too.

Today the lies are believed, and what action will follow them, we don't know.

The best defense is a good attack. We need to expose the lies. Even those who decide irrationally and follow like sheep are impressed by sound-bites, visuals and the horror of reality.

We, Jews, have not even tried. Trillions go to armaments and institutions. But still not one massive effort has been made, sponsored by wealthy Jews, to attack the waves of social media with a digital unmasking campaign of the propaganda against us, by now so deranged and effective as Goebbels' . We need designers, market gurus, data, bots, and tech. We must repeat our truths as mantras so many times until they are believed.

We are not Quatar, and we can't dream of our own Al-Jazeera, but wealthy Jews can afford a digital campaign. It might not even be that expensive, and there are already some initiatives. Algorithm is king.

No other way to clean up and restore minds.

" They" need to be shown for the frauds and degenerates that they are. They are the ideologues and demagogues at the extremes, Islam, their slaughter of Christians, Muslims and their own, the shining results of Israel's military decency, the abuse of women,

the immoral West, statistics. Invade, infiltrate, be there, on their screens. Just like " they" do it.

" Never again" has taken a beating, because it happened "again" on 10/7. Our wishing and declaring " never again" was not enough.

Defense does matter, but it's the proverbial child's finger on the dam's hole. Even aggressive defense still leaves the beast of their nefarious lies to reproduce and continue to invade the organism. Cancer treatments are supposed to be aggressive.

Hollywood betrayed us. It was supposed to be a Jewish enclave. We were berated for it being " owned and controlled by Jews". If there are still Jews there , not of the " as Jews" treacherous kind, perhaps there is hope for a Spielberg to take up our cause.

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Malcolm's avatar

Cut off its head and you will kill the snake, yes there are many heads and we need to cut them all off and do not stop until it is done, take a page from Putin's book of political rule, just since 2022 38 Putin opponents have died and the world shakes in their boots as to who will be next, after Munich we took out all the PLO that were involved, and they feared coming after us, today we have way more power and we need to bring it all together and to start taking action to end their onslaught on the Jewish peoples of the world.

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Miriamnae's avatar

There is hope of a rising elitist Jewish awareness of danger as liberal Babs just cancelled her itinerary in NYC.

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