And the war is not over. Israel is trying to save as many hostages as possible before the war begins again--and it will. More decisive blows (coming soon) will leave no doubt in anyone's mind that it was NOT a victory for any of the terrorist groups. As for the toxic ideology--that will take a generation of un-brainwashing and involvement of the Muslim Reform Movement and the moderate Arab countries that want to sign the Abraham Accords, live with co-existence, peace and prosperity. (But have no doubt--Jew Hating ideologies never die out completely, but they can be contained as had been done for decades). Look at the United Arab Emirates as the model for what is coming. Saudi Arabia has already begun steps in this direction. A new Middle East is coming, soon.
I wish that I could feel as positively as you do. With Hamas still in power, its tattered army can regroup eventually. UNRWA will keep teaching generations of Palestinians to hate Jews and martyr themselves by killing. Germany lost because they were no longer in power. They did not have an army nor were they able to keep spreading their propaganda to all German children. When someone else, who is willing to live side-by-side with Israel, takes over Gaza, then we will be victorious. For now, we’ve had a number of amazing military victories in battle, but have not won the war.
In WW2 the allies far outnumbered Germany and could perpetually keep occupation armies all over the country (and even so would have had a real problem with an insurgency if it happened). That’s not in the cards for Israel. Israel can’t and doesn’t want to occupy Gaza. The war will continue as long as the Palestinians have genocidal goals and progressives encourage those goals. Till that inflection point, Israel needs to be vigilant and hit at Hamas hard whenever it regroups. By Hamas’ own standards, preventing Hamas from a genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jews is a win for Israel.
This is a must. The fact that the Islamist’s goal is to not only annihilate Israel but to annihilate each and every one of us. We must resist this evil on all fronts. If I was in charge of anything I would start by publicising Hamas charter “Israel will exist until… blah, blah blah. Make the world aware of what their vision for us is. Be clear in telling their story it is truly ugly and truly genocidal. And as a buttress to this tactic I would also whack every known HamAss supporter I could find, does this mean I’m a genocidal maniac, mebbe. I was bar mitzvah on Behoukosai and I took that parsha to heart Leviticus 26:3 means a lot to me.
Exactly so. Every Hamas and Hezbollah soldier (though they are none of them that) is a dead man walking. The media would be truer to their trade by recognising this and reporting accordingly.
Excellent post written with ironic truth. hamas claims of victory reminds me of the Black Knight refusing to surrender in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, after King Arthur has chopped off his arms and legs. Like the Black Knight, hamas members hide their face and boast defiantly of victory because they still live, though without arms or legs. And why does the Black Knight live? It would be easy for King Arthur to kill the Black Knight. Because King Arthur, like Israel, takes no joy in destroying an enemy after it has lost its ability to do harm.
I did use the black knight as the image for my original post. Felt very much the same, only difference is this black knight has delusional fans that want to believe the narrative of a glorious victory.
Haha, we think alike. No doubt some fools see the fact the Black Knight stands, well, sort of stands, and remains defiant as an example of never giving up, never yielding. Monty Python was a comedy so the scene is funny, but to my mind it was always pathetic. The Black Knight toothlessly (we can't see his face, but no doubt toothless) telling King Arthur he cannot pass, but lacking the ability to back it up. Biting off (maybe not, has no teeth) more than he can chew, and as King Arthur passes we cansee he only lives to boast because King Arthur cares not to boast or gloat, but shows mercy. Much like Israel.
Hamas is going to use the rebuilding of Gaza as a front for rebuilding their underground infrastructure only bigger and better. They'll dig so deep that nothing will be able to reach them. They'll dig so deep that nothing will be able to detect tunnels burrowing into Israel. They'll be funded and protected by their Western and Middle Eastern backers. They must be destroyed.
Unfortunately, the job is not done. The way that the Allies turned around Germany was to force an unconditional surrender, arrest, try, convict, and execute its leaders, and then occupy the country for two generations to prevent children in being indoctrinated. That’s what Israel needs to do. They cannot allow the radicalization of the youth to continue. They cannot allow the idea that Palestine will ever be a nation in the current geography of Israel. Until the Palestinians realize that they HAVE to live in peace with israel, Israel needs to continue it’s present policies. If the Palestinians cannot learn to live in peace, I would suggest that Israel remove all of them to Jordan and annex Gaza and the West Bank, the rest of the world be damned.
Those are only options available to a superpower with a permanent UNSCR seat, and the amount of people to occupy an area for decades. Israel doesn’t have any of those, so it’s not an option.
You also can’t nation build a place fragmented into clans with zero interest in being a nation. The Palestinian have always prioritized their goal of a genocide above a goal of building a state - it’s why they took land Israel gave them and endless development aid from the world and plowed it into a terrorism and warfare infrastructure instead of building a state. Like with Afghanistan, the Palestinians are a force of chaos and destruction, and their priorities are evident. Israel’s job is to defend itself from the barbaric murderousness of the Palestinians. Progressives imagining that the Palestinians want peace doesn’t change reality. Magical realism doesn’t work.
This article reads like a return to the mindset of pre-October 7. Yes, Israel made gains, especially by imposing severe losses on Hezbollah and Hamas. But these groups don't mind losses, nor do the populations that serve and feed them. Another round is in the offing. Attacks in Judea and Samaria are up. Soon there will be attacks from Gaza, and eventually the fake Lebanese army will help Hezbollah regroup in Lebanon. The Palestinians are the real existential threat to Israel and Israelis, but for a variety of reasons, some of which home-grown, Israel still refuses to get rid of them. I don't see international reconstruction of Gaza producing a democratic Israel-friendly polity or society. Hamas may not have "won" the war, but Israel, if this cease-fire deal reaches stage two and three, will have "lost" it. Ever since the 2005 disengagement Israel has fought several "successful" wars in Gaza and thought it had achieved containment. Then came October 7.
Israel has never fought a single successful war in Gaza until now. Under Netanyahu’s hesitant leadership Israel avoided ‘provoking’ Hezbollah and Hamas and never fought with any decisive intent, always muzzled by the US. This war Israel stomped both Islamist adversaries while giving little care to the handwringing of the Democratic administration. In the future when anyone shows up at the border in civilian garb or not, they should be shot. Any open training of Hamas should be bombed. Israel’s level of aggressive response, established since October 7, needs to be maintained consistently by all future governments. That’s how Israel’s battlefield victories get sustained.
I agree with your assessment. It is not realistic to set expectations to the level of eliminating every single Hamas terrorist. The best that Israel can hope for is treating their existential war with their muslim foes as an incurable but managable disease, like Diabetes. Manage the disease and hold it at bay. That is the reality unfortunately.
That's not the case. Those 840 come from the entire political spectrum (including a few ultra orthodox), and would have similarly wide thoughts about how the war should wrap up. Few Israelis want Hamas to survive, but many are fine trading Hamas POWs and even convicted terrorists for abducted Israelis. The current government caused those civilians and soldiers to be captured by believing their appeasement worked with Hamas. There's a cost to pay for the first day of the war, and the majority of Israel is behind paying it, as painful as it is. After that is done, Israel paints new targets on Hamas. The Palestinians deserve the punishment of a kleptocratic and murderous Hamas oppressing them in the wreckage of Hamastan Gaza.
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15,000 child soldiers after losing the majority of their capabilities isn’t much of a threat. The Nazi army refilled its ranks at the end of 1945 with children, and that didn’t do much to help them. Militaries need continuity in passing down knowledge, and with a loss of the majority of top officers and many of the well trained soldiers, a next generation without peak institutional knowledge isn’t the same problem. Same goes for the rocket artillery infrastructure and other aspects. A near 50% death rate has a serious impact
Not sure about bigger. The Islamist axis built themselves up in their own minds too big, and got their ass handed to them. Outside of propaganda, they've retreated after smaller wars (2006, for example) that ended less decisively in an ass-kicking for them like this war. Israel is now at a very aggressive defense posture.
Listening to 'progressives', taking a posture of maximum restraint only invited a bigger, more aggressive war. Stopping to listen to Biden et al is when Hezbollah and Hamas scurried into their holes like the cockroaches they are. The less Israel listens to progressives in the US and EU and elsewhere, the safer it is. The more it listens to them, the closer Israel is to existential danger.
Erdogan is an asshole, but that's unlikely. That would get them ejected from NATO and have other consequences. Turkey is a democracy, as odious as their wannabe Sultan is, while Iran is definitely not.
And the war is not over. Israel is trying to save as many hostages as possible before the war begins again--and it will. More decisive blows (coming soon) will leave no doubt in anyone's mind that it was NOT a victory for any of the terrorist groups. As for the toxic ideology--that will take a generation of un-brainwashing and involvement of the Muslim Reform Movement and the moderate Arab countries that want to sign the Abraham Accords, live with co-existence, peace and prosperity. (But have no doubt--Jew Hating ideologies never die out completely, but they can be contained as had been done for decades). Look at the United Arab Emirates as the model for what is coming. Saudi Arabia has already begun steps in this direction. A new Middle East is coming, soon.
Great post! The IDF has Hamas Hezbollah and Iran on the ropes and should finish them off once and for all
Great post - sharing.
I wish that I could feel as positively as you do. With Hamas still in power, its tattered army can regroup eventually. UNRWA will keep teaching generations of Palestinians to hate Jews and martyr themselves by killing. Germany lost because they were no longer in power. They did not have an army nor were they able to keep spreading their propaganda to all German children. When someone else, who is willing to live side-by-side with Israel, takes over Gaza, then we will be victorious. For now, we’ve had a number of amazing military victories in battle, but have not won the war.
In WW2 the allies far outnumbered Germany and could perpetually keep occupation armies all over the country (and even so would have had a real problem with an insurgency if it happened). That’s not in the cards for Israel. Israel can’t and doesn’t want to occupy Gaza. The war will continue as long as the Palestinians have genocidal goals and progressives encourage those goals. Till that inflection point, Israel needs to be vigilant and hit at Hamas hard whenever it regroups. By Hamas’ own standards, preventing Hamas from a genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jews is a win for Israel.
This is a must. The fact that the Islamist’s goal is to not only annihilate Israel but to annihilate each and every one of us. We must resist this evil on all fronts. If I was in charge of anything I would start by publicising Hamas charter “Israel will exist until… blah, blah blah. Make the world aware of what their vision for us is. Be clear in telling their story it is truly ugly and truly genocidal. And as a buttress to this tactic I would also whack every known HamAss supporter I could find, does this mean I’m a genocidal maniac, mebbe. I was bar mitzvah on Behoukosai and I took that parsha to heart Leviticus 26:3 means a lot to me.
Exactly so. Every Hamas and Hezbollah soldier (though they are none of them that) is a dead man walking. The media would be truer to their trade by recognising this and reporting accordingly.
Fifteen months of the genocide lie immediately followed by the glorious Islamist victory lie. Glad so many not falling for either.
Excellent post written with ironic truth. hamas claims of victory reminds me of the Black Knight refusing to surrender in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, after King Arthur has chopped off his arms and legs. Like the Black Knight, hamas members hide their face and boast defiantly of victory because they still live, though without arms or legs. And why does the Black Knight live? It would be easy for King Arthur to kill the Black Knight. Because King Arthur, like Israel, takes no joy in destroying an enemy after it has lost its ability to do harm.
I did use the black knight as the image for my original post. Felt very much the same, only difference is this black knight has delusional fans that want to believe the narrative of a glorious victory.
Haha, we think alike. No doubt some fools see the fact the Black Knight stands, well, sort of stands, and remains defiant as an example of never giving up, never yielding. Monty Python was a comedy so the scene is funny, but to my mind it was always pathetic. The Black Knight toothlessly (we can't see his face, but no doubt toothless) telling King Arthur he cannot pass, but lacking the ability to back it up. Biting off (maybe not, has no teeth) more than he can chew, and as King Arthur passes we cansee he only lives to boast because King Arthur cares not to boast or gloat, but shows mercy. Much like Israel.
Amen
Hamas is going to use the rebuilding of Gaza as a front for rebuilding their underground infrastructure only bigger and better. They'll dig so deep that nothing will be able to reach them. They'll dig so deep that nothing will be able to detect tunnels burrowing into Israel. They'll be funded and protected by their Western and Middle Eastern backers. They must be destroyed.
Unfortunately, the job is not done. The way that the Allies turned around Germany was to force an unconditional surrender, arrest, try, convict, and execute its leaders, and then occupy the country for two generations to prevent children in being indoctrinated. That’s what Israel needs to do. They cannot allow the radicalization of the youth to continue. They cannot allow the idea that Palestine will ever be a nation in the current geography of Israel. Until the Palestinians realize that they HAVE to live in peace with israel, Israel needs to continue it’s present policies. If the Palestinians cannot learn to live in peace, I would suggest that Israel remove all of them to Jordan and annex Gaza and the West Bank, the rest of the world be damned.
Those are only options available to a superpower with a permanent UNSCR seat, and the amount of people to occupy an area for decades. Israel doesn’t have any of those, so it’s not an option.
You also can’t nation build a place fragmented into clans with zero interest in being a nation. The Palestinian have always prioritized their goal of a genocide above a goal of building a state - it’s why they took land Israel gave them and endless development aid from the world and plowed it into a terrorism and warfare infrastructure instead of building a state. Like with Afghanistan, the Palestinians are a force of chaos and destruction, and their priorities are evident. Israel’s job is to defend itself from the barbaric murderousness of the Palestinians. Progressives imagining that the Palestinians want peace doesn’t change reality. Magical realism doesn’t work.
This article reads like a return to the mindset of pre-October 7. Yes, Israel made gains, especially by imposing severe losses on Hezbollah and Hamas. But these groups don't mind losses, nor do the populations that serve and feed them. Another round is in the offing. Attacks in Judea and Samaria are up. Soon there will be attacks from Gaza, and eventually the fake Lebanese army will help Hezbollah regroup in Lebanon. The Palestinians are the real existential threat to Israel and Israelis, but for a variety of reasons, some of which home-grown, Israel still refuses to get rid of them. I don't see international reconstruction of Gaza producing a democratic Israel-friendly polity or society. Hamas may not have "won" the war, but Israel, if this cease-fire deal reaches stage two and three, will have "lost" it. Ever since the 2005 disengagement Israel has fought several "successful" wars in Gaza and thought it had achieved containment. Then came October 7.
Israel has never fought a single successful war in Gaza until now. Under Netanyahu’s hesitant leadership Israel avoided ‘provoking’ Hezbollah and Hamas and never fought with any decisive intent, always muzzled by the US. This war Israel stomped both Islamist adversaries while giving little care to the handwringing of the Democratic administration. In the future when anyone shows up at the border in civilian garb or not, they should be shot. Any open training of Hamas should be bombed. Israel’s level of aggressive response, established since October 7, needs to be maintained consistently by all future governments. That’s how Israel’s battlefield victories get sustained.
I agree with your assessment. It is not realistic to set expectations to the level of eliminating every single Hamas terrorist. The best that Israel can hope for is treating their existential war with their muslim foes as an incurable but managable disease, like Diabetes. Manage the disease and hold it at bay. That is the reality unfortunately.
It’s a disease you can deter into remission.
Lipstick on a pig.
The voices of the 840 (plus ) warriors demand more than a return to the status quo.
That's not the case. Those 840 come from the entire political spectrum (including a few ultra orthodox), and would have similarly wide thoughts about how the war should wrap up. Few Israelis want Hamas to survive, but many are fine trading Hamas POWs and even convicted terrorists for abducted Israelis. The current government caused those civilians and soldiers to be captured by believing their appeasement worked with Hamas. There's a cost to pay for the first day of the war, and the majority of Israel is behind paying it, as painful as it is. After that is done, Israel paints new targets on Hamas. The Palestinians deserve the punishment of a kleptocratic and murderous Hamas oppressing them in the wreckage of Hamastan Gaza.
HASHEM has The control of everything everywhere all the time 🙌🙏🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Yisrael ( Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin is also in the Third Temple. Final peace comes after Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HASHEM 🙌🙏🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱Two and half Jewish tribes have their land share on eastern side of Jordan River 🙌🙏🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱BARUCH HASHEM 🙌🙏 Pray and Pray 🙌🙏🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱
OK, but why do you have to refer to the goat herding of the Houthis in a derogatory manner?
I was disturbed to read in recent days that hamas has 15,000 new fighters. According to U.S. Intelligence.
15,000 child soldiers after losing the majority of their capabilities isn’t much of a threat. The Nazi army refilled its ranks at the end of 1945 with children, and that didn’t do much to help them. Militaries need continuity in passing down knowledge, and with a loss of the majority of top officers and many of the well trained soldiers, a next generation without peak institutional knowledge isn’t the same problem. Same goes for the rocket artillery infrastructure and other aspects. A near 50% death rate has a serious impact
That makes me feel better 😄
Not sure about bigger. The Islamist axis built themselves up in their own minds too big, and got their ass handed to them. Outside of propaganda, they've retreated after smaller wars (2006, for example) that ended less decisively in an ass-kicking for them like this war. Israel is now at a very aggressive defense posture.
Listening to 'progressives', taking a posture of maximum restraint only invited a bigger, more aggressive war. Stopping to listen to Biden et al is when Hezbollah and Hamas scurried into their holes like the cockroaches they are. The less Israel listens to progressives in the US and EU and elsewhere, the safer it is. The more it listens to them, the closer Israel is to existential danger.
Erdogan is an asshole, but that's unlikely. That would get them ejected from NATO and have other consequences. Turkey is a democracy, as odious as their wannabe Sultan is, while Iran is definitely not.