Germans were not, even retrospectively, opposed to the national project embodied by the Nazi government. On the key issue, surveys of Germans after WWII showed that 40 percent remained antisemites.
Excellent read, Kyle, thank you. Hannah Arendt wrote of the anecdotal post war sleight of hand hatred she witnessed but Jahner did quantitative studies of the German murderer becoming the victim. In answer to someone here in comments who brought up ‘Israel’ which in itself, speaks…
Germany and Germans can never critique Israel. Germany alone brought to the world the systemic art of murder of innocents by beautifully uniformed German men bending over architectural blue prints for gas chambers and crematoria on an opulent desk in a palatial building with Jewish fine art lining the walls studying the end of the Jewish people. Even Stalin recoiled. Germany and Germans alone forever will wear The Holocaust around their necks. The Holocaust will ring through heaven and hell as belonging to Germany. As Dresden was bombed they devised their victimhood. Am Yisrael Chai is the curse upon Germany and Germans. With love from Zion.
This article is a very good outline about how (West) Germany escaped most of the weight of responsibility for WW2 & the Holocaust - however my pickup from it mostly relates to the Israel/Palestine conflict. This lies in the very little known history of population expulsions it covers...
The major mythology pro-Arab activism has built up centres around the expulsion of the Palestinians and hence the assumed moral right of return. Many more millions of Germans and Poles were expelled in 1945 than Palestinians in 1948 and from far greater territories. Did these people use the last 80 years to revenge-kill each other? They mostly came to terms and settled in a couple of decades that followed and today they share peaceful borders and friendship inside the EU.
Do you see Poles hate on Ukrainians for this and the Volhynian slaughter today? No, you see them helping their neighbours fight the Russian invader instead. This is what happens when you pick yourself up and rebuild instead of cultivating a revenge cult. The Arabs have simply refused to do this and grow up as a culture.
It would be interesting to know the percentage of Germans today who still view their parents and grandparents as victims of WWII.
It seems to me that most Germans today are anti Nazism. Am I wrong?
I also thought this article was going to make an analogy with Hamas and the Palestinian “victims” who voted them in and supported them. But maybe that’s a follow-up article.
No doubt, with the downfall of critical race theory, DEI, and other leftist, Marxist ideologies, many who have been silent about antisemitism will finally speak up. Many will claim they were victims to the brainwashing and indoctrination of the movements. Narcissism is very powerful, and it will take generations to undo the hatred learned overthe past two decades. Sadly, California is just now solidifying its mandatory, antisemitic "Ethnic Studies" curriculum, which will further cement Jew-hated among the coming generation of school children. Thanks Gavin Newsom.
The postwar Germans can be blamed for much. However I’m not holding it against them that they don’t like “modern art.” (As in banana taped to a wall is now considered art. What a joke.)
I am 76 years old and as I read the article I couldn’t help but remember what my grandmother said about the Germans, she that the Germans are always at your feet or at your throat. They have a split personality.
Are you familiar with Alice Miller's theory that "poisonous pedagogies" in parenting literature that were popular in the generations leading up to Nazi Germany played a large role in Germans being vulnerable to narcissism and totalitarianism? For example, one of the bestselling authors of parenting books in the 1800s in Germany was a guy named Moritz Schreber who is largely responsible for generations of German children growing up without loving contact (e.g. hugs) from their caregivers. (Schreber had three children, all were mentally ill, one committed suicide).
One of the first essays I published was on the dark history of parenting books (including Miller's theory about the link to Nazi Germany). Ignore the lousy URL I didn't know what I was doing at the time.
Miller’s thesis is further supported by the fact that many of the authors of these “poisonous” parenting manuals—mostly white men, though white women, such as Nazi pulmonologist Johanna Haarer (1900-1988), would later join the fray—were either not parents themselves, or were bad parents. Haarer, for example, wrote:
“The best is the child in a separate room, where it then remains alone. Do not start taking the child out of bed, carrying it, weighing it, driving it or keeping it on your lap, even nursing it. Child understands incredibly quickly that it only needs to scream to summon a compassionate soul and become the subject of such care, and after a short while, it demands this occupation with him as a right, gives no rest until it is carried again, rocked or driven will – and the small but relentless pet bully is ready!”
Her daughter, Gertrud Haarer, later challenged her mother’s advice, and once stated in an interview that she “was apparently so traumatized that [she] believed [she] would never have children of [her] own.”
This begs the question of why these pedagogies would arise and find so much support after they were written down. One possibility is that the german conservatives, which were a majority (as were the arabs from the 1920s onwards and the western conservatives in our day) were reacting to liberal boundary and category transgressions, most exemplified by liberal Jewish (but also homosexual) culture. The anti-degenerate art sentiments are also consistent with this. The german political leftists (distinguished from personality liberals) also irritated german personality conservatives. As are conservative personalities today irritated by liberal pedagogies, which also might lead to narcissistic children and bullies.
I'm not sure -- I've only traced the history back to shortly after the printing press was invented and these books started being published (same with Miller, she traces the bad parenting ideas back to the 1700s). Regarding homosexuality, while this is controversial to point out, it's more likely that rates of homosexuality increased *because* of the poisonous pedagogies; homosexuality has been linked to maternal stress (during pregnancy) and early childhood trauma and attachment disruption. There also seems to be a direct link between an unhealthy relationship with one's parents and antisemitism; many notorious antisemites had bad relationships with one or both parents, including Hitler, Martin Luther, and Karl Marx.
I have not seen the data linking homosexuality with maternal stress and early childhood trauma. The thing is, there is always some stress and trauma, and as you point out, the "poisonous" pedagogies can be traced back to the 1700s (and probably before, if we study protestant history). Why did most of the german population decide to enthusiastically adopt these rightist pedagogies after WWI and support fascists? I think it's plausible that not only did the reparations required from Germany as a result of WWI cause more stress for their economy, but also they were reacting to the liberal 1920s (and possibly LIBERAL pedagogies). Also, this is consistent with the fact that wokesters are also "pet bullies" (Haarer's term) and their parents had quite permissive, liberal pedagogies. RIghtists are concerned that liberals will let mentally ill people drive our civilization off a cliff, by putting too many resources into them, so they react in various ways (see my post on the trans phenomenon) including rightist pedagogies, and ironically supporting insane dictators.
Jewish Exceptionalism about The Holocaust causes offence amongst the other victims of Nazism, so I repeat as I always do... 27 million Russian souls died (this number has been confirmed by Retired General Grigory Krivoshe'ev who took the census of EVERY town and village and Battlefield, after WWII, and who wrote his book with the deaths at each site listed) as well as 3 million Polish people and 2 million Serbian folk, and The German People supported Hitler and these Nazi murders too for 'Lebensraum in The East for The Ethnic Germans'. This German National Project took root in Germany, amongst the Intelligence Agencies (The SD) and remains very much alive today. This is what drives the Ukraine War today. Up to 10,000 Ethnic Russians were murdered by Re-Formed Nazi Militias in the Donbass from 2014 until 2022. The German Head of the BND was caught as such in the Ukraine in 2022, organising and funding these Neo-Nazi Militias.
I am no fan of a Power who protects genocidal maniacs like Assad. But I go where the Truth takes me. Russia is right about the Ukraine and its Nazis: Wrong about its War on civilians, but right about the Nazis (with the support of the German Military Services) who started it in 2014. These are the facts. Even The Times of London admitted this year that The Azov Brigade murdered at least 3600 Ethnic Russians in The Donbas in 2014 which started the war. And so I go where the Truth takes me.
Many people are unaware today that German WW2 expansionism was actually based on WW1 expansionism... Hitler didn't need new plans for it, he just borrowed what Ludendorff & Hindenburg planned for post WW1. They actually set up a "colony" named Nord-Ost and made locals into self-labourers just like they used people in occupied nations during WW2. The above history needs to be more widely known.
Hitler & the Nazis didn't invent German imperialism/chauvinism, they merely implemented a higher degree of it. It was handed to them by the prior Prussian militaristic supremacist ideology.
And then we got Klaus Schwab, George Soros, and thousands of " former" Nazis as our scientists and doctors. Don't forget their big business plan as the Fourth Reich. Vw, BMW, Mercedes, Adidas, Bayer....
An excellent contribution, it shows that a totalitarian regime long after its demise, still has an iron grip on the mindset of its subjects.
But it needs an addendum : from the late sixties of the last century on the denial fase was over and (Western) Germany finally confronted its dark past thoroughly.
Nowadays, the Germans are even overdoing it a bit: criticism of Israel soon equals anti- semitism and let's be honest: Israel is not beyond critique.
Albert, The Nazis are actively being protected today as we speak by Nazi Elements of The State, high inside the Chambers and Ministries of Government. . You write: 'But it needs an addendum : from the late sixties of the last century...' Well, you are wrong. Partly, this has been Jew-Washing by The German State. We have monitored the Re-Formation of The Nazi Party in 2013 and ever since, whose German adherents came to parade in London supported by Nazis who have infiltrated MI6 and The BND. This is what is happening TODAY. Right now, matey.
The States here in The West play a double game, and have done since 1945. I accept that the Liberal and Freedom-loving parts of The State are strong and Democratic. But we monitors have looked beyond this, welcome as these aspects of Democracy are. In fact The Nazi Party has Re-Formed with the protection of MI6 and Germany's BND. It did so in 2013. The Nazi Party went underground after WWII under the protection of Far Right Elements of The State and had used Anti-Semitism to survive from 1945 till it was safe to come out in the open again. We have four completely documented reports and over 1000 pages of direct monitoring of these facts, and the Authorities here in London, the US and Israel have our monitoring, and our reports. And they have been verified by them too.
Amazing how this article of WW2 Germany is almost exactly how things are playing out today with the Russian state , people and war, only this time with nuclear weapons.
The reality is that most people do not take responsibility for their bad decisions. Murder is murder. Germany was a nation of murderers. Perhaps they still are. The fake Palestinians have the same victim mentality. They are also enthusiastic murderers of Jews. The Jews, who don’t fetishize murder, rape, and pillaging, are the oppressors now? It would be funny if the consequences and history were not so horribly serious. We are a dangerous species, and retain our animal savagery despite the trappings of modernity. The best response from Jews is strength, excellence, military power, and continued shaming of these monsters. Most of the world and most people are not moral, and will revert to form given the slightest permission or provocation. Appeasement, coexistence with monsters, and acceptance of hatred driven apologia for anti-semitism are not survival strategies for Jews. Sadly, eternal vigilance is the price of being a Jew.
Excellent read, Kyle, thank you. Hannah Arendt wrote of the anecdotal post war sleight of hand hatred she witnessed but Jahner did quantitative studies of the German murderer becoming the victim. In answer to someone here in comments who brought up ‘Israel’ which in itself, speaks…
Germany and Germans can never critique Israel. Germany alone brought to the world the systemic art of murder of innocents by beautifully uniformed German men bending over architectural blue prints for gas chambers and crematoria on an opulent desk in a palatial building with Jewish fine art lining the walls studying the end of the Jewish people. Even Stalin recoiled. Germany and Germans alone forever will wear The Holocaust around their necks. The Holocaust will ring through heaven and hell as belonging to Germany. As Dresden was bombed they devised their victimhood. Am Yisrael Chai is the curse upon Germany and Germans. With love from Zion.
Likewise, today the "palestinians" are collectively responsible for hamas and the other genocidal terror gangs.
This article is a very good outline about how (West) Germany escaped most of the weight of responsibility for WW2 & the Holocaust - however my pickup from it mostly relates to the Israel/Palestine conflict. This lies in the very little known history of population expulsions it covers...
The major mythology pro-Arab activism has built up centres around the expulsion of the Palestinians and hence the assumed moral right of return. Many more millions of Germans and Poles were expelled in 1945 than Palestinians in 1948 and from far greater territories. Did these people use the last 80 years to revenge-kill each other? They mostly came to terms and settled in a couple of decades that followed and today they share peaceful borders and friendship inside the EU.
Do you see Poles hate on Ukrainians for this and the Volhynian slaughter today? No, you see them helping their neighbours fight the Russian invader instead. This is what happens when you pick yourself up and rebuild instead of cultivating a revenge cult. The Arabs have simply refused to do this and grow up as a culture.
It would be interesting to know the percentage of Germans today who still view their parents and grandparents as victims of WWII.
It seems to me that most Germans today are anti Nazism. Am I wrong?
I also thought this article was going to make an analogy with Hamas and the Palestinian “victims” who voted them in and supported them. But maybe that’s a follow-up article.
No doubt, with the downfall of critical race theory, DEI, and other leftist, Marxist ideologies, many who have been silent about antisemitism will finally speak up. Many will claim they were victims to the brainwashing and indoctrination of the movements. Narcissism is very powerful, and it will take generations to undo the hatred learned overthe past two decades. Sadly, California is just now solidifying its mandatory, antisemitic "Ethnic Studies" curriculum, which will further cement Jew-hated among the coming generation of school children. Thanks Gavin Newsom.
DEI etc are still around. It’s somewhat in retreat in the US but still seems strong in academia and the government.
It’s still going strong in Canada and New Zealand.
The postwar Germans can be blamed for much. However I’m not holding it against them that they don’t like “modern art.” (As in banana taped to a wall is now considered art. What a joke.)
I agree. Aversion to abstract art does not make one a Nazi LOL.
I am 76 years old and as I read the article I couldn’t help but remember what my grandmother said about the Germans, she that the Germans are always at your feet or at your throat. They have a split personality.
Are you familiar with Alice Miller's theory that "poisonous pedagogies" in parenting literature that were popular in the generations leading up to Nazi Germany played a large role in Germans being vulnerable to narcissism and totalitarianism? For example, one of the bestselling authors of parenting books in the 1800s in Germany was a guy named Moritz Schreber who is largely responsible for generations of German children growing up without loving contact (e.g. hugs) from their caregivers. (Schreber had three children, all were mentally ill, one committed suicide).
One of the first essays I published was on the dark history of parenting books (including Miller's theory about the link to Nazi Germany). Ignore the lousy URL I didn't know what I was doing at the time.
https://thecassandracomplex.substack.com/p/the-dangers-of-reading-too-much-part-df8
Miller lists the traits of kids who grow up in these emotionally neglectful / abusive ways, which include:
- Hyperactivity
- Rejection of the inner child, negative self-talk about the self as a child
- Overachievement and “giftedness”
- Intellectualization and obsession with language and bureaucracy
- Perfectionism
- Validation-seeking
- Hypersensitivity and what we would now call “rejection sensitive dysphoria”
- Conformity of thought and reliance on groupthink (largely due to a fear of rejection and losing love)
- Gullibility
- Inability or limited ability to love and authentically connect to other people
- Codependency and people-pleasing
- Obsession with power
- Impaired theory of mind
- Poor boundaries
- Alexithymia (inability to identify and describe emotions)
- Masking and the creation of a “false self”
- Anger issues and outbursts / “meltdowns”
- A tendency toward exploitative relationships
Early childhood emotional neglect is likely playing a large role in the "woke" ideology we see today, as well.
Another relevant excerpt --
Miller’s thesis is further supported by the fact that many of the authors of these “poisonous” parenting manuals—mostly white men, though white women, such as Nazi pulmonologist Johanna Haarer (1900-1988), would later join the fray—were either not parents themselves, or were bad parents. Haarer, for example, wrote:
“The best is the child in a separate room, where it then remains alone. Do not start taking the child out of bed, carrying it, weighing it, driving it or keeping it on your lap, even nursing it. Child understands incredibly quickly that it only needs to scream to summon a compassionate soul and become the subject of such care, and after a short while, it demands this occupation with him as a right, gives no rest until it is carried again, rocked or driven will – and the small but relentless pet bully is ready!”
Her daughter, Gertrud Haarer, later challenged her mother’s advice, and once stated in an interview that she “was apparently so traumatized that [she] believed [she] would never have children of [her] own.”
This begs the question of why these pedagogies would arise and find so much support after they were written down. One possibility is that the german conservatives, which were a majority (as were the arabs from the 1920s onwards and the western conservatives in our day) were reacting to liberal boundary and category transgressions, most exemplified by liberal Jewish (but also homosexual) culture. The anti-degenerate art sentiments are also consistent with this. The german political leftists (distinguished from personality liberals) also irritated german personality conservatives. As are conservative personalities today irritated by liberal pedagogies, which also might lead to narcissistic children and bullies.
I'm not sure -- I've only traced the history back to shortly after the printing press was invented and these books started being published (same with Miller, she traces the bad parenting ideas back to the 1700s). Regarding homosexuality, while this is controversial to point out, it's more likely that rates of homosexuality increased *because* of the poisonous pedagogies; homosexuality has been linked to maternal stress (during pregnancy) and early childhood trauma and attachment disruption. There also seems to be a direct link between an unhealthy relationship with one's parents and antisemitism; many notorious antisemites had bad relationships with one or both parents, including Hitler, Martin Luther, and Karl Marx.
Karl Marx was Jewish! So not an anti-semite...
I have not seen the data linking homosexuality with maternal stress and early childhood trauma. The thing is, there is always some stress and trauma, and as you point out, the "poisonous" pedagogies can be traced back to the 1700s (and probably before, if we study protestant history). Why did most of the german population decide to enthusiastically adopt these rightist pedagogies after WWI and support fascists? I think it's plausible that not only did the reparations required from Germany as a result of WWI cause more stress for their economy, but also they were reacting to the liberal 1920s (and possibly LIBERAL pedagogies). Also, this is consistent with the fact that wokesters are also "pet bullies" (Haarer's term) and their parents had quite permissive, liberal pedagogies. RIghtists are concerned that liberals will let mentally ill people drive our civilization off a cliff, by putting too many resources into them, so they react in various ways (see my post on the trans phenomenon) including rightist pedagogies, and ironically supporting insane dictators.
Jewish Exceptionalism about The Holocaust causes offence amongst the other victims of Nazism, so I repeat as I always do... 27 million Russian souls died (this number has been confirmed by Retired General Grigory Krivoshe'ev who took the census of EVERY town and village and Battlefield, after WWII, and who wrote his book with the deaths at each site listed) as well as 3 million Polish people and 2 million Serbian folk, and The German People supported Hitler and these Nazi murders too for 'Lebensraum in The East for The Ethnic Germans'. This German National Project took root in Germany, amongst the Intelligence Agencies (The SD) and remains very much alive today. This is what drives the Ukraine War today. Up to 10,000 Ethnic Russians were murdered by Re-Formed Nazi Militias in the Donbass from 2014 until 2022. The German Head of the BND was caught as such in the Ukraine in 2022, organising and funding these Neo-Nazi Militias.
Ethnic Russians were not murdered. Kremlin propaganda.
https://bitterwinter.org/donbass-did-ukraine-kill-14000-pro-russians/
https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-fact-fait.aspx?lang=eng
I have just checked the Canadian Government Website you have given here. https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-fact-fait.aspx?lang=eng
There is no mention on it about the murder of Ethnic Russians claims.
PLEASE THEREFORE DELETE YOUR BOGUS SOURCE FROM YOUR POST HERE.
No mention either of The Neo-Nazi Militia The Azov Brigade, which did a lot of the killing.
Writing for the Kremlin are you?
I am no fan of a Power who protects genocidal maniacs like Assad. But I go where the Truth takes me. Russia is right about the Ukraine and its Nazis: Wrong about its War on civilians, but right about the Nazis (with the support of the German Military Services) who started it in 2014. These are the facts. Even The Times of London admitted this year that The Azov Brigade murdered at least 3600 Ethnic Russians in The Donbas in 2014 which started the war. And so I go where the Truth takes me.
Thank you for these links.
Many people are unaware today that German WW2 expansionism was actually based on WW1 expansionism... Hitler didn't need new plans for it, he just borrowed what Ludendorff & Hindenburg planned for post WW1. They actually set up a "colony" named Nord-Ost and made locals into self-labourers just like they used people in occupied nations during WW2. The above history needs to be more widely known.
Hitler & the Nazis didn't invent German imperialism/chauvinism, they merely implemented a higher degree of it. It was handed to them by the prior Prussian militaristic supremacist ideology.
And then we got Klaus Schwab, George Soros, and thousands of " former" Nazis as our scientists and doctors. Don't forget their big business plan as the Fourth Reich. Vw, BMW, Mercedes, Adidas, Bayer....
Excellent and informative read!
An excellent contribution, it shows that a totalitarian regime long after its demise, still has an iron grip on the mindset of its subjects.
But it needs an addendum : from the late sixties of the last century on the denial fase was over and (Western) Germany finally confronted its dark past thoroughly.
Nowadays, the Germans are even overdoing it a bit: criticism of Israel soon equals anti- semitism and let's be honest: Israel is not beyond critique.
Albert, The Nazis are actively being protected today as we speak by Nazi Elements of The State, high inside the Chambers and Ministries of Government. . You write: 'But it needs an addendum : from the late sixties of the last century...' Well, you are wrong. Partly, this has been Jew-Washing by The German State. We have monitored the Re-Formation of The Nazi Party in 2013 and ever since, whose German adherents came to parade in London supported by Nazis who have infiltrated MI6 and The BND. This is what is happening TODAY. Right now, matey.
Today's Germany is a transparant State, a fullgrown democracy with independent jurisdiction and razorsharp news outlets like 'Zeit' and 'DerSpiegel' .
You could say this country did a good job in building up reflectory capacity.
So Dan, if you have any information about 'nazi elements of the state' who protect evil- doers I suggest you should contact one of those periodicals.
By the way, the Bundestag is currently discussing the fate of the AfD, the current heir of national socialist ideology.
The States here in The West play a double game, and have done since 1945. I accept that the Liberal and Freedom-loving parts of The State are strong and Democratic. But we monitors have looked beyond this, welcome as these aspects of Democracy are. In fact The Nazi Party has Re-Formed with the protection of MI6 and Germany's BND. It did so in 2013. The Nazi Party went underground after WWII under the protection of Far Right Elements of The State and had used Anti-Semitism to survive from 1945 till it was safe to come out in the open again. We have four completely documented reports and over 1000 pages of direct monitoring of these facts, and the Authorities here in London, the US and Israel have our monitoring, and our reports. And they have been verified by them too.
This history is especially interesting, considering the very public German rejection of Nazism and its symbols touted by successive administrations.
Amazing how this article of WW2 Germany is almost exactly how things are playing out today with the Russian state , people and war, only this time with nuclear weapons.
The reality is that most people do not take responsibility for their bad decisions. Murder is murder. Germany was a nation of murderers. Perhaps they still are. The fake Palestinians have the same victim mentality. They are also enthusiastic murderers of Jews. The Jews, who don’t fetishize murder, rape, and pillaging, are the oppressors now? It would be funny if the consequences and history were not so horribly serious. We are a dangerous species, and retain our animal savagery despite the trappings of modernity. The best response from Jews is strength, excellence, military power, and continued shaming of these monsters. Most of the world and most people are not moral, and will revert to form given the slightest permission or provocation. Appeasement, coexistence with monsters, and acceptance of hatred driven apologia for anti-semitism are not survival strategies for Jews. Sadly, eternal vigilance is the price of being a Jew.
Genuine guilt is hard to come by and even harder when there’s no way to easily make up for what you did wrong. Why not ignore it?