No doubt that Israel has no choice but to eradicate the Hamas Nazis. Like the author said if Hamas remains attacks will never stop. That is the hard truth as not only will Gazans suffer but Israelis will suffer as well and Jews in the Diaspora will suffer also. Every Jew in the world is at war and we have to be willing to sacrifice, we have to accept that there will be an incredible rise in antisemitism as the war goes on. I hate to say this but the lives of the Hostages and of any Jew may have to be sacrificed to achieve our goals. papa j
I've been saying this since Oct 7. As much as it pains me to recommend this, we cannot allow ourselves to negotiate for hostages. It only strengthens our enemies and does nothing to ensure hostage safety or humane treatment. It's probably just prolonging their suffering. Israel must adopt a policy that she will never again negotiate for hostages and enemy prisoners. Enemies must be shot on sight unless we know they have important info that we can use. If hostages can be rescued by the IDF (as in the case of the raid on Entebbe during the 70s where they were all in one place and could be easily found) okay, let's rescue them. Otherwise we must consider them tragic casualties of war.
I agree Susan but I wouldnt go to your extreme. Nothing wrong to negotiate as long as you keep fighting and doing what has to be done. You can negotiate an exchange of hostages for prisoners but not those who are in prison for violence and especially those that have killed. Thats insane to me. Also this crazy variance in numbers is also insane. We are so bad at PR that its become acceptable to trade 100 for 1. Just insane. Have a good one. papa j
Sorry Jerry, but I have to disagree. There used to be an expression "we don't negotiate with terrorists". You legitimize them when you do and strengthen them. The number of hostages/prisoners that you dicker over is irrelevant. Monsters like Hamas know they cannot defeat the IDF. Their only strength is through abduction of hostages. Take it away from them and educate Israeli citizens about how to reduce their risk of being taken hostage.
Even if you have no intent of exchanging hostages, negotiations buy you time to do a rescue attempt. Negotiating does not mean capttualting on anything. I appreciate your point of view as I am not 100% convinced of my point of view LOL
Unless you know where the hostages are being kept it's extremely tough - if not impossible - to rescue them. In the famous Entebbe rescue it was known where the hostages were being kept. The PLO terrorists who took them from the plane were negotiating for the release of PLO prisoners, I believe. Now THAT allowed Israel to buy some time with crazy Idi Amin who supported the PLO and was "hosting" the hostages. Not much time but enough to plan and execute the rescue mission. The Oct 7 abductions had the hostages spread all over the place in Gaza, maybe even Egypt too. No assurances of their health or safety were given. Bibi was insane to negotiate under these conditions. I think it had to do with the fact that Bibi's brother led the Entebbe rescue and died during it. Bibi was responding as much to some personal psychological need as he was to the hostage families who were loudly protesting and damaging him politically. But that is no way to lead a country in crisis. As for educating Israelis: it has to be said that many of the hostages were from kibbutzim that were stupidly friendly with neighboring Palestinians. It was reported that some of these "friends" were actually working with Hamas, feeding them strategic information, etc. I don't live in Israel but I'm savvy enough to know NEVER to trust an Arab. One can be superficially friendly but never tell them anything too personal and don't get involved in a relationship with them. They are KNOWN to be deceitful. Jews, in and out of Israel, must get it through their heads that Arabs hate us. The nice ones are wolves in sheep's clothing or getting paid by us (like the "Son of Hamas".) So again, no hostages in my opinion.
We managed to save 4 hostages that were in the tunnels which would not have happened if we didnt negotiate. They would have killed them all immediately (after torturing, raping etc.) Our issue is not the negotiating but how poorly we seem to do it. Outside of our superior military machine, we are terrible at negotiating and terrible at PR. Susan, I do not accept your premise that all Arabs hate us. I just dont .....The son of Hamas is one of my heros. He may be getting paid but that is because he is an excellent spokesperson. He did not leave Hamas because he had a job lined up with us. He sacrificed his life to leave and is in danger daily for what he says and does. Once this war is over, he would be one of the people I would ask to go to Gaza and West Bank and lead the Palestinians. We need people like him as they are few and far between. Suggesting he does what he does for money is IMHO just wrong.
You hit the nail on the head. The pro Hamas propaganda from the West is prolonging it. I think it's essential to publicize that in the media so more people recognize it.
The only way to end terror by Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthies - who are ALL the proxies of Iran - is to cut the head off the snake, meaning the current Iranian regime. This would need to be accomplished by the US, Israel and various allies in a variety of ways:
- strategic cyber and conventional attacks on Iran's key infrastructure with warnings to Lebanon that the same will happen to their country if they don't stop the war against Israel and other countries immediately
- execution of key Iranian leaders, along with leaders of the proxy terrorist orgs mentioned above
- various sanctions on countries that continue to do business with Iran and its proxies, including Western universities and other institutions that promote enemy propaganda via protests, encampments, etc.
It's important to get cooperation from Iranian expatriates who've been "begging" the West to take out the current Iranian regime, along with Arab countries that want Iran's influence in the region to end. While all this is taking place, Israel must continue to purge the country, including Gaza and Judea/Samaria, of terrorists while policing Palestinian civilians to make sure they aren't aiding and abetting the terrorists. Once the current Iranian regime and its proxies are defeated, Pally civilians should be deported to countries willing to take them in and subject to the laws of these countries. They should no longer have a presence in the land of Israel since statehood or Israeli citizenship was never their desire and Israel must no longer harbor enemies in her midst.
With a Trump presidency all of this is possible – along with a brighter future for everyone.
"The local Arabs refused to accept a Jewish state and live in peace with their neighbors. They started attacking the Jews in the then-British Mandate for Palestine the day after the decision (before the State of Israel even existed and had a chance to “oppress” them)".
Hamas itself is merely a symptom. The cause is Surah 2:191 — "Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out" and Haddith Sahih Muslim 7339:82 — "The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews."
Calls to deradicalize the Islalmists, that is, the religious pietists, in the same way Germans were deradicalized after WWII is doomed to failure because you can still be a German patriot and not believe in National Socialism without imperiling your immortal soul, but not to believe in everything the Qu'uran and the Hadiths say, as these texts make abundantly clear, is to put your very soul in peril of everlasting hell fire and damnation.
Why have the Western Nations not demanded the the freedom of the hostages as soon as they were taken? That should have been the first request! It is utterly appalling.
Iran surely is the head of the snake. But let's go further back in time. Around 1924 the Muslim Brotherhood planned for Islamic califat - saying their offspring would take care of it. Just observe the mass immigration these last decades and the dawa movements in Europe, the UK and USA. Besides the pro palestinian activists. They've been groomed in their own Western universities, financed by our wealthy Arab friends. And so on...
IMHO it would be essential to have a majority of the countries and especially the Arab countries who up to now have refused to RECOGNIZE the state of Israel - TO HAVE THEM RECOGNIZE THE NATION OF ISRAËL once and for all. Because as long as they don't, their support of terrorist organisations only strenghten their goal which is to destroy Israel while presenting themselves as negotiators for a cease fire and maybe ... The release of the hostages.
We could use some unity in our rotten society. Just had to get this off my mind.
No doubt that Israel has no choice but to eradicate the Hamas Nazis. Like the author said if Hamas remains attacks will never stop. That is the hard truth as not only will Gazans suffer but Israelis will suffer as well and Jews in the Diaspora will suffer also. Every Jew in the world is at war and we have to be willing to sacrifice, we have to accept that there will be an incredible rise in antisemitism as the war goes on. I hate to say this but the lives of the Hostages and of any Jew may have to be sacrificed to achieve our goals. papa j
I've been saying this since Oct 7. As much as it pains me to recommend this, we cannot allow ourselves to negotiate for hostages. It only strengthens our enemies and does nothing to ensure hostage safety or humane treatment. It's probably just prolonging their suffering. Israel must adopt a policy that she will never again negotiate for hostages and enemy prisoners. Enemies must be shot on sight unless we know they have important info that we can use. If hostages can be rescued by the IDF (as in the case of the raid on Entebbe during the 70s where they were all in one place and could be easily found) okay, let's rescue them. Otherwise we must consider them tragic casualties of war.
I agree Susan but I wouldnt go to your extreme. Nothing wrong to negotiate as long as you keep fighting and doing what has to be done. You can negotiate an exchange of hostages for prisoners but not those who are in prison for violence and especially those that have killed. Thats insane to me. Also this crazy variance in numbers is also insane. We are so bad at PR that its become acceptable to trade 100 for 1. Just insane. Have a good one. papa j
Sorry Jerry, but I have to disagree. There used to be an expression "we don't negotiate with terrorists". You legitimize them when you do and strengthen them. The number of hostages/prisoners that you dicker over is irrelevant. Monsters like Hamas know they cannot defeat the IDF. Their only strength is through abduction of hostages. Take it away from them and educate Israeli citizens about how to reduce their risk of being taken hostage.
Even if you have no intent of exchanging hostages, negotiations buy you time to do a rescue attempt. Negotiating does not mean capttualting on anything. I appreciate your point of view as I am not 100% convinced of my point of view LOL
Unless you know where the hostages are being kept it's extremely tough - if not impossible - to rescue them. In the famous Entebbe rescue it was known where the hostages were being kept. The PLO terrorists who took them from the plane were negotiating for the release of PLO prisoners, I believe. Now THAT allowed Israel to buy some time with crazy Idi Amin who supported the PLO and was "hosting" the hostages. Not much time but enough to plan and execute the rescue mission. The Oct 7 abductions had the hostages spread all over the place in Gaza, maybe even Egypt too. No assurances of their health or safety were given. Bibi was insane to negotiate under these conditions. I think it had to do with the fact that Bibi's brother led the Entebbe rescue and died during it. Bibi was responding as much to some personal psychological need as he was to the hostage families who were loudly protesting and damaging him politically. But that is no way to lead a country in crisis. As for educating Israelis: it has to be said that many of the hostages were from kibbutzim that were stupidly friendly with neighboring Palestinians. It was reported that some of these "friends" were actually working with Hamas, feeding them strategic information, etc. I don't live in Israel but I'm savvy enough to know NEVER to trust an Arab. One can be superficially friendly but never tell them anything too personal and don't get involved in a relationship with them. They are KNOWN to be deceitful. Jews, in and out of Israel, must get it through their heads that Arabs hate us. The nice ones are wolves in sheep's clothing or getting paid by us (like the "Son of Hamas".) So again, no hostages in my opinion.
We managed to save 4 hostages that were in the tunnels which would not have happened if we didnt negotiate. They would have killed them all immediately (after torturing, raping etc.) Our issue is not the negotiating but how poorly we seem to do it. Outside of our superior military machine, we are terrible at negotiating and terrible at PR. Susan, I do not accept your premise that all Arabs hate us. I just dont .....The son of Hamas is one of my heros. He may be getting paid but that is because he is an excellent spokesperson. He did not leave Hamas because he had a job lined up with us. He sacrificed his life to leave and is in danger daily for what he says and does. Once this war is over, he would be one of the people I would ask to go to Gaza and West Bank and lead the Palestinians. We need people like him as they are few and far between. Suggesting he does what he does for money is IMHO just wrong.
The attacks on jews started long before 1947
Islam is the problem.
You hit the nail on the head. The pro Hamas propaganda from the West is prolonging it. I think it's essential to publicize that in the media so more people recognize it.
This should be obvious to everyone in the West. Sadly, it’s not known or known but ignored to pacify the Islamists & progressive left.
The only way to end terror by Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthies - who are ALL the proxies of Iran - is to cut the head off the snake, meaning the current Iranian regime. This would need to be accomplished by the US, Israel and various allies in a variety of ways:
- strategic cyber and conventional attacks on Iran's key infrastructure with warnings to Lebanon that the same will happen to their country if they don't stop the war against Israel and other countries immediately
- execution of key Iranian leaders, along with leaders of the proxy terrorist orgs mentioned above
- various sanctions on countries that continue to do business with Iran and its proxies, including Western universities and other institutions that promote enemy propaganda via protests, encampments, etc.
It's important to get cooperation from Iranian expatriates who've been "begging" the West to take out the current Iranian regime, along with Arab countries that want Iran's influence in the region to end. While all this is taking place, Israel must continue to purge the country, including Gaza and Judea/Samaria, of terrorists while policing Palestinian civilians to make sure they aren't aiding and abetting the terrorists. Once the current Iranian regime and its proxies are defeated, Pally civilians should be deported to countries willing to take them in and subject to the laws of these countries. They should no longer have a presence in the land of Israel since statehood or Israeli citizenship was never their desire and Israel must no longer harbor enemies in her midst.
With a Trump presidency all of this is possible – along with a brighter future for everyone.
"The local Arabs refused to accept a Jewish state and live in peace with their neighbors. They started attacking the Jews in the then-British Mandate for Palestine the day after the decision (before the State of Israel even existed and had a chance to “oppress” them)".
Historical error here. The Arabs attacked Jews in the pogroms of 1920, 1921, 1924, 1929, (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arab-riots-of-the-1920-s), 1931-1933, 1936-1941, and 1945-1947 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine).
Hamas itself is merely a symptom. The cause is Surah 2:191 — "Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out" and Haddith Sahih Muslim 7339:82 — "The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews."
Calls to deradicalize the Islalmists, that is, the religious pietists, in the same way Germans were deradicalized after WWII is doomed to failure because you can still be a German patriot and not believe in National Socialism without imperiling your immortal soul, but not to believe in everything the Qu'uran and the Hadiths say, as these texts make abundantly clear, is to put your very soul in peril of everlasting hell fire and damnation.
Why have the Western Nations not demanded the the freedom of the hostages as soon as they were taken? That should have been the first request! It is utterly appalling.
Why are you re-parroting the nonsense that this started in 1948?
Explain the pogroms in 1929 when Jewish women were raped in the blood of their massacred sons, husbands & fathers?
What about the first official martyr in 1873?
What about the Ottoman invasion in 1517?
Really good perspective on the whole thing. Thanks.
Now why can't the leaders of the western world see this and act accordingly? !!!
Iran surely is the head of the snake. But let's go further back in time. Around 1924 the Muslim Brotherhood planned for Islamic califat - saying their offspring would take care of it. Just observe the mass immigration these last decades and the dawa movements in Europe, the UK and USA. Besides the pro palestinian activists. They've been groomed in their own Western universities, financed by our wealthy Arab friends. And so on...
IMHO it would be essential to have a majority of the countries and especially the Arab countries who up to now have refused to RECOGNIZE the state of Israel - TO HAVE THEM RECOGNIZE THE NATION OF ISRAËL once and for all. Because as long as they don't, their support of terrorist organisations only strenghten their goal which is to destroy Israel while presenting themselves as negotiators for a cease fire and maybe ... The release of the hostages.
We could use some unity in our rotten society. Just had to get this off my mind.