The “situation” is not that complicated. The Arabs — who have violated the world’s peace for over a century — have never had to sacrifice anything for peace. And the time has come for that to happen.
Many good points, although I don't see Jordan accepting large swarms of immigrating Pals. Arab countries love the Pals until the former are asked to open their doors to the latter. Can't say I blame them, considering Pal embrace of terror.
Agreed, I think Jordan even relinquished claims to the West Bank because they wanted to rid themselves of the element that threatened their security, though I could be wrong.
I think you're right! Sadat had the same attitude towards Gaza. He demanded every inch of the Sinai back, but was strangely uninterested in taking back Gaza!
Let them stay in Gaza, but cut off the electricity. Tell the to build their own power plants. The cut off their water and tell them to build their own desalination plants. Tell the rest of the world to fuck off.
I totally agree! Compromise to Arabs is a sign of weakness! The problem with the West is that it doesn't understand the Arab Mind! You have to show them that you are willing to do everything in order for them to lose! That's why this hostage deal was so horrible and just gives them the blueprint of how to wage war against us! Kidnapping hostages and then blackmailing us! This is really bad that Israel started to follow their pattern instead of saying: we do not care, we will not give in one inch and then totally nuking them like in the 2nd world war until there is 100% capitulation! They need to be totally afraid of us! They need to think we are worst monsters than them! It is sad that those inhumans are forcing us to become inhuman ourselves but how else to fight them. They need to be rooted out like a cancer as they are a cancer!
They are barbarians. So westerners have a special challenge: to be civil and liberal and follow the rule of law UNTIL threatened. Then we become worse barbarians in order to devastate the enemy. THEN, we go back to being civil and liberal and following the rule of law. Not easy.
Arabs have never feared death; their history is one of courage and resilience. From ancient battles to modern struggles, they have always stood as men of war, driven by honor, faith, and an unshakable sense of duty.
Tragically, this is true. And it makes them easily manipulated by their leaders. All they have to do is convince a group of Arabs that their honor demands that they rape young girls to death, bake a baby to death in an oven, behead elderly Holocaust survivors, and pretty much any atrocity, and he'll do it.
Civilized people say, "Wait a second. We can't do that! Honor or no honor, it simply isn't right!" But Arabs, at least those in the middle east, place honor above right and wrong. It doesn't matter how fundamentally and inhumanly wrong an action is, so long as it's in compliance with what they've been told honor demands.
They never feared death but they fear humiliation and land taking away from them which isn't theirs anyway but they love to conquer, destroy and islamise the whole world. The thing is they are so insane that they will destroy themselves as what they do is unsustainable. What does not work cannot go for too long and the Arabs have lost their public image in the world as all is coming out now! The lies, their imperial craziness and their cruelty! You guys are done! If you do not reform like the UAE did, you will not survive this but just self destruct!
You guys are the Islamo Nazis and because of that you will be cursed! Even the Quran says that Israel belongs to us Jews, you guys will be cursed as you are siding with the devil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfDVkXEo-o
Exactly, meaning the "Palestinians". There are some idiot Jews who are Anti Zionists, those are not real Jews to me. // Fxck the fake palestinians who have brought only evil, destruction and terrorism to the world no matter to which country they went and you know that this is true.
These of countries have been at WAR against ISRAEL since 1948. [Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Comoros, Djibouti, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Niger, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yeman.]
2 million Muslims in Gaza by the above 20 countries is only 100000 per country
President Donald Trump said Saturday he'd like to see Jordan, Egypt and other Arab nations increase the number of Palestinian refugees they are accepting from the Gaza Strip - potentially moving out enough of the population to "just clean out" the war-torn area to create virtual clean slate.
During a 20-minute question-and-answer session with reporters aboard Air Force One on Saturday, Trump said he discussed his vision on a call earlier in the day with King Abdullah II of Jordan and would speak Sunday with President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi of Egypt.
"I'd like him to take people. I'd like Egypt to take people," said Trump. "You're talking about, probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say, ‘You know it's, over.'"
Speaking about the effects of Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza, Trump said he complimented Jordan for having successfully accepted Palestinian refugees and that he told the king, "I'd love for you to take on more, cause I'm looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now, and it's a mess. It's a real mess."
He said of such a mass movement of Palestinians, "it could be temporary or long term," adding that the area of the world that encompasses Gaza, "over centuries" has "had many, many conflicts."
"Something has to happen," Trump said. "But it's literally a demolition site right now. Almost everything's demolished, and people are dying there." He added: "So, I'd rather get involved with some of the Arab nations, and build housing in a different location, where they can maybe live in peace for a change."
Oh, this is going to happen. Israel has proven they are saving all the moderate Arab countries asses from Iran and terror, and going forward it is obvious that Israel will be the protectors of the new Middle East, not America (because America is fickle when the Democrats are in power). Israel must be compensated for this and they aren't asking for anything but what belongs to them anyway. And NO, Israel shouldn't pay a dime toward getting the Gazans out of Israel or anything having to do with post-war. They've paid enough and they are saving the Middle East from themselves, they should be rewarded.
Israel has found cures for certain kinds of cancer. Israel has provided life saving technologies to an ungrateful world for decades. What have Arabs given the world? War and atrocities.
If the small, poorly armed Hamas movement defeats Israel and America, what will happen if you face an organized army with military experience? You should reconsider, especially since you were previously defeated by the Egyptian army.
Radical Islamists are the World's cancer, causing more death and destruction of millions of other Muslims and anyone who doesn't believe in their death cult. And Israel is working on saving the world from this cancer, and winning. The Middle East will soon be rid of terrorists and become a region of co-existence, peace, prosperity for all religions and people in the region--thanks to Israel. Good-bye terrorist!
Egypt is capable, with the determination of its sons and the strength of its army, of uprooting the roots of Zionist terrorism in the region. The day will soon come when the scorpion's head will be cut off forever, so that the land remains free and the nation remains safe and stable.
Ibrahim, what is coming will be wonderful for ALL the people in the Middle East--Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Israel, and even Iran. A new era WITHOUT bloodshed, but instead, brotherhood, co-existence, peace and prosperity. The only way to get there is to eliminate terrorists who believe that Jews and Infidels must all die. I've met many wonderful Muslims who have turned away from violent Islamic teaching that has caused so much death in the world---mostly Muslims killing other Muslims. I hope you will soften your heart and realize that having PEACE and COEXISTENCE and respect for all of humanity is certainly what any God anyone worships would want for humanity. To want so much death of people who do not practice the religion you want them to practice cannot possibly be what God wants. Such hate can only be what Satan wants.
We are all against the terrorist Jews and you must be expelled from the Middle East. The Jews are like a malignant cancer that must be removed, including Iran.
I loved the little excerpt under the title of this article. Very powerful.
Israel no longer wants a two state solution and it took October 7th to rouse the peaceniks. I don’t consider the vile fantasies of the anti Israel anti western pro terror one track mind in blinders Jews to be politically or ideologically meaningful, I don’t know if radical left is a fair assessment bc they’re so far gone they look like radical right theocrats and some radical right and left views aren’t beyond the pale so it’s almost an insult to them
(and you wouldn’t know how small their number is given their outsize media presence. They are that useful to antisemitic and reflexively anti Israel journalists)
Hamas and Abbas don’t want a two state solution.
But the west wants a two state solution (minus its brainwashed college students who at least are making the west look as ridiculous as they are ignoring the Palestinian leadership position and much of the citizenry)
You couldn’t write a satire for this. It’s writing itself.
The west needs to grow a pair and not ignore its sins but place them in the proper perspective along with its accomplishments and live by its just and free and industrious spirit that was cemented by creative brave men and without the creativity and the bravery watch the accomplishments and ideas behind them be slowly squeezed into stagnation or worse by an uninformed angry citizenry who are being told over and over not to be grateful and not to safeguard what’s beautiful and essential to America. In California the politicians were busy looking the part for saving the world and then turns out they did a scandalous job of protecting people from a known set of natural events that preceded any anthropogenic warming and with all their resources they spectacularly and knowingly mismanaged . So that’s how the west wants to play it, look how good we are, God help us all.
What I would say though, with Hamas in power this will be hard as they will kill every ''palestinian'' that wants to leave. I have a harsher but in my eyes totally justified idea: We need to expose that most of those ''palestinians'' are actually Egyptians, Jordanians and Saudi Arabians. Their last names are very telling. So we need to give them their passports and to force them to leave as their countries will have to take them in. Like Trump does now with illegal aliens. So to me it would be: they are not our problem as they are not ''palestinians'' but actually coming from countries around Israel. I would treat them like illegals that cannot stay. I REALLY WOULD NOT CARE ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AS THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE ISRAEL DESTROYED SO THEY WILL BE NOT NICE TO US ANYWAY. But if we start to be unapologetic about it and say that they are invading our land and are killing us if they stay and we just do it and transfer them, countries will have to accept it as it is our land and we can do what we want in our land and the ''palestinians'' are intruders and colonizers of our land not us! We are decolonizing our land! This is how we have to frame it as it's the truth! Most of those so called palestinians came just in recent times when Israel became attractive for economic reasons! As you say, this land was almost empty and only during the British Palestine Mandate more Arabs came for work here! They have no legal justification to be here! Especially not if they want to commit a genocide against us!
Why? We don't mass murder. We just don't. And we won't. But we do need to remove them. They can leave by plane or bus or boat or on foot. I don't care where they go to. But we can't have them here any more. And Hamas is only a problem insofar as we try to "pacify" the strip without removing everyone. If we decide, as we must, as Moshe Feiglin has determined to do, that they have to leave, we can clear the entire strip in a couple of weeks.
I never said anything about us murdering anyone. But if Hamas wants to murder their own people some more, I cannot think of a reason to care. Better they should spend some time murdering each other instead of us.
The only terrorists here are the Islamo Nazis that want to destroy Israel, the Jews, the Christians and the whole West and you will be cursed because of that!
Genesis 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you.
Good article but just forget about giving each Palestinian $100,000 to get out unless the money comes from a source other than Israel. By giving them money Israel would be saying the Pallies own the land and we're buying it from them. They don't own it! The best thing Trump could do for Israel and for peace would be to persuade the Muslim world to take them into their countries. I think he floated the idea of Indonesia in one interview but he might have been just thinking aloud, as he tends to do.
I heard already that Indonesia said no and why would they say yes: wherever they went they brought terror, genocide and destruction. I really think that the ''palestinians'' are the worst culture on the planet. I do not know another culture that is so vicious and inhuman. Their whole culture is just terror and genocide. They are to me like the modern cannibal tribes. The only way to get rid of this problem is to name them after what they really are, meaning Egyptians, Jordanians, Saudis etc. You can find it out by their last name. Then give them those respective passports and send them there by force! IT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION!!!!!!!
Trump calls on Arab nations to take in more Gazans
"You're talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say, 'You know, it's over,'" said the U.S. president.
I totally get your point about the money, but it's meant to make it more palatable for Jordan and Egypt to accept these people and NOT to keep them in refugee camps all over again, which fosters the anger. It's about true getting them integrated into the societies of those countries. Nothing more. And yes, later it can be claimed it was bought from them, fair and square. Who cares?
You're operating under a false assumption, Robin. It's one most people share. The idea that oppression provokes them and that helping them or being conciliatory towards them calms them. The exact opposite is true.
They are not the way they are because living in "refugee camps" has made them angry. First of all, those "refugee camps" are cities. They still call them refugee camps for propaganda purposes. Second of all, their rage comes from the fact that Israel exists. Third of all, raising their standard of living does the worst thing possible: it gives them hope. Hope of finally destroying us. It's not hopelessness that fuels them, contrary to Western views. It's hope.
Recognizing that two states already exist, the Jewish one, Israel, and the Arab state, Jordan, sounds good — on paper. Problem is "No one can reasonably ask the sheep to welcome the wolf into the fold." The Gazans elected Hamas and proceeded to physically destroy their political opponents, the PA. Abbas puts off elections time and again because, as polls tell him, Hamas will win. Other than who would be King of the Hill, the Charters of both pretty much align: Total conquest of the land and elimination of the Jews in accordance with the divine instructions of the Koran and Hadiths. Rules of Dar al Harb must prevail. And the powers that be in the West urge Israel not to be so stiff-necked Jews and cooperate with their nice neighbours. And too many Diasporic and Israeli Jews and Israeli politicians act like sheep being invited by jackals to dinner. They go expecting to discuss what will be on the menu. The jackals go to learn what time is supper.
Thank you, Lisa. This is one of the most profoundly informed essays I have read. I had forgotten why Sharon decided to give up Gaza, so thank you for the disturbing reminder; politics first and people last. Israel has made many mistakes, and as you said, and I have always believed, "Israel held a flawed conception of how the Arabs thought." One would think if any country and its government would know the Arabs better than anyone, it would be Israel. On another note, I just read that Trump is sending a shipment of 2,000 pound bombs to Israel that Biden had held back for political reasons When Trump was asked why he was doing that he said, "Because they bought them." He would also like more Palestinians to settle in Egypt and Jordan. Of course, the latter thought is wishful thinking, but I believe he realizes with them sitting in Gaza is a no win situation. Al jazeera in their "infinite wisdom" called it ethnic cleansing. They can't even spin a good tale. Again, thank you for a great read.
I just finished reading your essay on ethnic cleansing. Wow, Lisa. I'm glad you tell it like it is and didn't hold back, and I couldn't agree more. Your listing of each war, with Israel giving in and giving back with the twisted thinking that there would be peace had been a conundrum for me. I had asked the question many times, why Israel's government always made the same mistake over and over again? Where does this delusional thinking come from, guilt, a sense of honorable justice, a naive belief that all will be good if we just give them a little more? Several quotes come to mind from the Woody Allen movie, Danny Rose, which I think are appropriate. "Don't pay any attention to anyone else. And do it to the other guy first, because, if you don't, he'll do it to you," and "Guilt is important. It's important to feel guilty, otherwise, you know, you're capable of terrible things. You know, it's very important to be guilty. I'm guilty all the time and I never did anything, you know." I believe the last quote is what Israel suffers from and they should take something away from the first. All in all, you are so spot on. I appreciate your energy and forthrightness in what you expess.
I mean, we don't want to go out and attack everyone who could theoretically be an enemy, like the character in Danny Rose is saying. But we do have a principle in Judaism that if someone is coming to kill you, you *must* kill him first. It's not even that you're permitted to; you're obligated to.
I think you’ve made some good points but it’s wrong to characterize all “Arabs” as one and bad. It’s as slippery as saying all Jews do everything with one mind, which would be the farthest from the truth. There are Arabs who want peace and Jews who hate all Arabs.
I didn't actually write this piece. This is an amalgamation of a few of my actual articles. There may be Arabs who want peace, but there are no "Palestinians" who do. Those who say they want peace, you just have to ask them a couple of questions:
1. Are you willing to accept a sovereign Jewish state, of any size at all, anywhere between the river and the sea?
2. Are you willing to forgo the "right" of 5.7 million "Palestinian refugees" to move to that state?
You won't find any "Palestinian Arabs" who will answer yes to those questions. When they say they support peace, they mean that they support an Arab victory. When they say they support a two state solution, what they mean is that they support one Palestinian Arab state, where Jews aren't allowed, and one binational state of Israel where everyone gets to vote, and 5.7 million refugees are allowed free entry in order to vote Israel out of existence.
Don't believe me. Try it yourself. Use the two questions above, and do *not* let the person you're questioning try to weasel out of it. Require a simple yes or no. And then you'll see the truth.
There is just no evidence of peaceful palestinians within palestinian culture. Those few that do actually want true peace are either dead or would be in minutes if they were in Gaza or Judea/Samaria, so they are exiles with no voice or influence within that culture.
That second question is tricky. There are around 9 million in Israel now— 2 million of which are Muslim Arabs. The Israelis have not kicked them out but rather have embraced a diversity of beliefs while maintaining its Jewish heritage. There must be a way for other Muslim (non jihadists) to join their 2 million brethren without destroying Israel. Maybe if other Muslim countries were more open to taking them in that would be a start for the refugees.
10 million, actually. And here's what I think you're not understanding. This is not about Arabs. It's not even about Muslim Arabs, though that's a far bigger problem than you seem to understand. It's about a "nation" of people for whom the absolute necessity of ending the Jewish state is literally the core and essence of their national identity.
There is no living with them. And while it's true that some Israeli Arabs are of this bent, some are not. They are Israelis, period. I don't know how many of those 2 million are salvagable. But I do know that not a single one living in Judea/Samaria or Gaza is.
None of them are refugees. UNRWA, which essentially created the "Palestinians", was created by the Arab League for the express purpose of preventing them from every settling down anywhere. To maintain a rage against Israel's very existence. Had it not been for the creation of UNRWA, the Arabs who left Israel during the 1948/9 war would long have been resettled and would now be living their best lives, many of them assimilated into civilized cultures and benefitting both themselves and the world.
Those who think "Palestinians" can be "denazified" or "deradicalized" miss the point. Denazification was possible because there was German-ness before Nazism. They had something to go back to. "Palestinians" don't exist without the implacable determination to destroy Israel. Without that, they're a bunch of tribes and clans that don't get along at all. And they can't be deradicalized, because their obsession is not at all radical in their society. It is as banal and unremarkable as the Orthodox Jewish belief in God. And as impossible to destroy without literal dispersal throughout the world and forced assimilation.
Jihad is only a tool for them. Islam is only a tool for them. Some of them believe in it, and some of them don't. It's become popular over the past couple of years to pretend that they are a tool of Iran. No. They have a common enemy, is all. Us. For a Palestinian, if there is a conflict between Islam and Palestinism, Palestinism will win every time. Fortunately for them, Islam is so depraved that there's rarely a conflict between them.
Do you know what the definition of "Palestinian refugee" is to be on the list that UNRWA maintains? If you are an Arab who arrived in the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean any time up until 1946 (two years before the State of Israel was declared), or if you are descended in the male line from such a person, you are a refugee. It doesn't matter where you live. If you live in Haifa as an Israeli citizen, you are still a Palestinian refugee. If you are a US citizen who is a millionaire, like Bella Hadid's father, you are still a Palestinian refugee. There's never been such a definition of "refugee" in the history of mankind. It's a distortion of the term, with the express purpose of playing on the heartstrings of civilized people, who can't bear the thought of people being refugees. But none of these people are refugees.
"Palestinian refugees" living in Lebanon (for example; the same is true elsewhere in the Arab world) are treated as second class citizens. But every one of them was born there. You can't call someone born in Lebanon and living in Lebanon a refugee from somewhere else. Not in good faith.
Do you know why the UNRWA definition includes people who arrived by 1946? Because the large majority of Arabs living between the river and the sea by that point had arrived there during the first half of the 20th century, drawn there by the jobs created by Israeli pioneers. There are only a handful of "Palestinians" who are descended from people who actually lived there since before 1900. Their entire story is a pastiche of Jewish history. With them as the "Jews".
. “You can't call someone born in Lebanon and living in Lebanon a refugee from somewhere else. Not in good faith.” I agree. From that perspective you could say we Ashkenazi are refugees from what was Austria-Hungary but it no longer exists. It’s an interesting thought, that of who really is a refugee.
Hi Lisa, great article. I in fact write very much in the same arena - weekly articles mainly on Israel-Palestine. I also have a policy of automatically subscribing back to those who subscribe to me, if that might interest you. Sample article here. https://scribejohn.substack.com/p/hamass-control-and-influence
This should be in every journalist’s repertoire prior to being able to discuss the Middle East… and in every middle school’s and university’s Middle East history class. Well articulated!!
Pakistan is Deporting 1.7 Million Muslim undocumented Afghans.
Trump is deporting millions of illegals and legals-college visas -who threaten national security
So Israel can deport …..all Muslims Hamas in Gaza…
Many good points, although I don't see Jordan accepting large swarms of immigrating Pals. Arab countries love the Pals until the former are asked to open their doors to the latter. Can't say I blame them, considering Pal embrace of terror.
Agreed, I think Jordan even relinquished claims to the West Bank because they wanted to rid themselves of the element that threatened their security, though I could be wrong.
I think you're right! Sadat had the same attitude towards Gaza. He demanded every inch of the Sinai back, but was strangely uninterested in taking back Gaza!
Let them stay in Gaza, but cut off the electricity. Tell the to build their own power plants. The cut off their water and tell them to build their own desalination plants. Tell the rest of the world to fuck off.
AND, no more shekel. Let them create their own currency.
Thats what I’ve been saying! The more Israel gives, the more the world criticizes her….
I totally agree! Compromise to Arabs is a sign of weakness! The problem with the West is that it doesn't understand the Arab Mind! You have to show them that you are willing to do everything in order for them to lose! That's why this hostage deal was so horrible and just gives them the blueprint of how to wage war against us! Kidnapping hostages and then blackmailing us! This is really bad that Israel started to follow their pattern instead of saying: we do not care, we will not give in one inch and then totally nuking them like in the 2nd world war until there is 100% capitulation! They need to be totally afraid of us! They need to think we are worst monsters than them! It is sad that those inhumans are forcing us to become inhuman ourselves but how else to fight them. They need to be rooted out like a cancer as they are a cancer!
They are barbarians. So westerners have a special challenge: to be civil and liberal and follow the rule of law UNTIL threatened. Then we become worse barbarians in order to devastate the enemy. THEN, we go back to being civil and liberal and following the rule of law. Not easy.
Arabs have never feared death; their history is one of courage and resilience. From ancient battles to modern struggles, they have always stood as men of war, driven by honor, faith, and an unshakable sense of duty.
Tragically, this is true. And it makes them easily manipulated by their leaders. All they have to do is convince a group of Arabs that their honor demands that they rape young girls to death, bake a baby to death in an oven, behead elderly Holocaust survivors, and pretty much any atrocity, and he'll do it.
Civilized people say, "Wait a second. We can't do that! Honor or no honor, it simply isn't right!" But Arabs, at least those in the middle east, place honor above right and wrong. It doesn't matter how fundamentally and inhumanly wrong an action is, so long as it's in compliance with what they've been told honor demands.
They never feared death but they fear humiliation and land taking away from them which isn't theirs anyway but they love to conquer, destroy and islamise the whole world. The thing is they are so insane that they will destroy themselves as what they do is unsustainable. What does not work cannot go for too long and the Arabs have lost their public image in the world as all is coming out now! The lies, their imperial craziness and their cruelty! You guys are done! If you do not reform like the UAE did, you will not survive this but just self destruct!
The uncleansed Nazis will be expelled from God's land.
'Uncleansed Nazis'...
That's no way to talk about your Arab brothers, even if it's true. :)
You guys are the Islamo Nazis and because of that you will be cursed! Even the Quran says that Israel belongs to us Jews, you guys will be cursed as you are siding with the devil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfDVkXEo-o
The real Nazis are the Islamo Nazis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfDVkXEo-o
Exactly, meaning the "Palestinians". There are some idiot Jews who are Anti Zionists, those are not real Jews to me. // Fxck the fake palestinians who have brought only evil, destruction and terrorism to the world no matter to which country they went and you know that this is true.
What an intelligent post.
Do not stop with Jordan
These of countries have been at WAR against ISRAEL since 1948. [Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Comoros, Djibouti, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Niger, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yeman.]
2 million Muslims in Gaza by the above 20 countries is only 100000 per country
But trump says
President Donald Trump said Saturday he'd like to see Jordan, Egypt and other Arab nations increase the number of Palestinian refugees they are accepting from the Gaza Strip - potentially moving out enough of the population to "just clean out" the war-torn area to create virtual clean slate.
During a 20-minute question-and-answer session with reporters aboard Air Force One on Saturday, Trump said he discussed his vision on a call earlier in the day with King Abdullah II of Jordan and would speak Sunday with President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi of Egypt.
"I'd like him to take people. I'd like Egypt to take people," said Trump. "You're talking about, probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say, ‘You know it's, over.'"
Speaking about the effects of Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza, Trump said he complimented Jordan for having successfully accepted Palestinian refugees and that he told the king, "I'd love for you to take on more, cause I'm looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now, and it's a mess. It's a real mess."
He said of such a mass movement of Palestinians, "it could be temporary or long term," adding that the area of the world that encompasses Gaza, "over centuries" has "had many, many conflicts."
"Something has to happen," Trump said. "But it's literally a demolition site right now. Almost everything's demolished, and people are dying there." He added: "So, I'd rather get involved with some of the Arab nations, and build housing in a different location, where they can maybe live in peace for a change."
Oh, this is going to happen. Israel has proven they are saving all the moderate Arab countries asses from Iran and terror, and going forward it is obvious that Israel will be the protectors of the new Middle East, not America (because America is fickle when the Democrats are in power). Israel must be compensated for this and they aren't asking for anything but what belongs to them anyway. And NO, Israel shouldn't pay a dime toward getting the Gazans out of Israel or anything having to do with post-war. They've paid enough and they are saving the Middle East from themselves, they should be rewarded.
And Israel continues to save not only the Middle East but the world from terrorism!
Does it hurt? Being retarded, I mean.
Israel is like cancer in the Middle East and must be uprooted
Israel has found cures for certain kinds of cancer. Israel has provided life saving technologies to an ungrateful world for decades. What have Arabs given the world? War and atrocities.
The Arabs are like a sleeping lion, calm in its slumber, but once it awakens, it will roar with strength and leave no one untouched.
Meh Ibrahim. Go whine elsewhere
LOL. And that sleeping lion already has slept through three wars.. and now a fourth.
If the small, poorly armed Hamas movement defeats Israel and America, what will happen if you face an organized army with military experience? You should reconsider, especially since you were previously defeated by the Egyptian army.
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Radical Islamists are the World's cancer, causing more death and destruction of millions of other Muslims and anyone who doesn't believe in their death cult. And Israel is working on saving the world from this cancer, and winning. The Middle East will soon be rid of terrorists and become a region of co-existence, peace, prosperity for all religions and people in the region--thanks to Israel. Good-bye terrorist!
Egypt is capable, with the determination of its sons and the strength of its army, of uprooting the roots of Zionist terrorism in the region. The day will soon come when the scorpion's head will be cut off forever, so that the land remains free and the nation remains safe and stable.
Ibrahim, what is coming will be wonderful for ALL the people in the Middle East--Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Israel, and even Iran. A new era WITHOUT bloodshed, but instead, brotherhood, co-existence, peace and prosperity. The only way to get there is to eliminate terrorists who believe that Jews and Infidels must all die. I've met many wonderful Muslims who have turned away from violent Islamic teaching that has caused so much death in the world---mostly Muslims killing other Muslims. I hope you will soften your heart and realize that having PEACE and COEXISTENCE and respect for all of humanity is certainly what any God anyone worships would want for humanity. To want so much death of people who do not practice the religion you want them to practice cannot possibly be what God wants. Such hate can only be what Satan wants.
We are all against the terrorist Jews and you must be expelled from the Middle East. The Jews are like a malignant cancer that must be removed, including Iran.
Trump and Jared want to build hotels on Gaza’s prime waterfront property! 🤔
1. So what?
2. Better than tunnels and rockets.
We can deal with tunnels and rockets if we don't have the US holding us back.
Sure, but hotels are still better than the status quo.
That's what the Gazans should have done with their property but they are too involved with their death cult.
That's a really, really low bar.
Sure is. Can the Palestinians clear a higher one?
Gaza is a graveyard for the atheist Zionists
Hamas should never have killed, baked, raped, mutulated and kidnapped innocent men, women and children!!!
Hmmm. I haven't heard that, but if they eventually do, they will have earned ti, too!
No. If we have to fight them as well, we'll do so. That's part of the land of Israel, and we aren't going to allow it to be occupied by anyone else.
agreed.
There is nothing in the land of Palestine called Israel. Come on, you idiots. You must leave the Middle East. Go where you came from.
I figured they can build, but it's still part of Israel.
If we let them in, they won't leave. We don't need them.
Okay. :)
The Arabs have one desire and that is to spill as much Jewish blood as possible
Wonderfully written and historically accurate. Thank you.
Thanks.
I loved the little excerpt under the title of this article. Very powerful.
Israel no longer wants a two state solution and it took October 7th to rouse the peaceniks. I don’t consider the vile fantasies of the anti Israel anti western pro terror one track mind in blinders Jews to be politically or ideologically meaningful, I don’t know if radical left is a fair assessment bc they’re so far gone they look like radical right theocrats and some radical right and left views aren’t beyond the pale so it’s almost an insult to them
(and you wouldn’t know how small their number is given their outsize media presence. They are that useful to antisemitic and reflexively anti Israel journalists)
Hamas and Abbas don’t want a two state solution.
But the west wants a two state solution (minus its brainwashed college students who at least are making the west look as ridiculous as they are ignoring the Palestinian leadership position and much of the citizenry)
You couldn’t write a satire for this. It’s writing itself.
The west needs to grow a pair and not ignore its sins but place them in the proper perspective along with its accomplishments and live by its just and free and industrious spirit that was cemented by creative brave men and without the creativity and the bravery watch the accomplishments and ideas behind them be slowly squeezed into stagnation or worse by an uninformed angry citizenry who are being told over and over not to be grateful and not to safeguard what’s beautiful and essential to America. In California the politicians were busy looking the part for saving the world and then turns out they did a scandalous job of protecting people from a known set of natural events that preceded any anthropogenic warming and with all their resources they spectacularly and knowingly mismanaged . So that’s how the west wants to play it, look how good we are, God help us all.
What I would say though, with Hamas in power this will be hard as they will kill every ''palestinian'' that wants to leave. I have a harsher but in my eyes totally justified idea: We need to expose that most of those ''palestinians'' are actually Egyptians, Jordanians and Saudi Arabians. Their last names are very telling. So we need to give them their passports and to force them to leave as their countries will have to take them in. Like Trump does now with illegal aliens. So to me it would be: they are not our problem as they are not ''palestinians'' but actually coming from countries around Israel. I would treat them like illegals that cannot stay. I REALLY WOULD NOT CARE ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AS THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE ISRAEL DESTROYED SO THEY WILL BE NOT NICE TO US ANYWAY. But if we start to be unapologetic about it and say that they are invading our land and are killing us if they stay and we just do it and transfer them, countries will have to accept it as it is our land and we can do what we want in our land and the ''palestinians'' are intruders and colonizers of our land not us! We are decolonizing our land! This is how we have to frame it as it's the truth! Most of those so called palestinians came just in recent times when Israel became attractive for economic reasons! As you say, this land was almost empty and only during the British Palestine Mandate more Arabs came for work here! They have no legal justification to be here! Especially not if they want to commit a genocide against us!
What I would say though, with Hamas in power this will be hard as they will kill every ''palestinian'' that wants to leave.
I would say that if the objective is fewer palestinians in Gaza, we need not argue about methods.
Why? We don't mass murder. We just don't. And we won't. But we do need to remove them. They can leave by plane or bus or boat or on foot. I don't care where they go to. But we can't have them here any more. And Hamas is only a problem insofar as we try to "pacify" the strip without removing everyone. If we decide, as we must, as Moshe Feiglin has determined to do, that they have to leave, we can clear the entire strip in a couple of weeks.
I never said anything about us murdering anyone. But if Hamas wants to murder their own people some more, I cannot think of a reason to care. Better they should spend some time murdering each other instead of us.
True that.
Israel will be hit with a nuclear bomb one day if it continues with this terrorist behavior.
And that, of course, will be "honorable".
The only terrorists here are the Islamo Nazis that want to destroy Israel, the Jews, the Christians and the whole West and you will be cursed because of that!
Genesis 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you.
Good article but just forget about giving each Palestinian $100,000 to get out unless the money comes from a source other than Israel. By giving them money Israel would be saying the Pallies own the land and we're buying it from them. They don't own it! The best thing Trump could do for Israel and for peace would be to persuade the Muslim world to take them into their countries. I think he floated the idea of Indonesia in one interview but he might have been just thinking aloud, as he tends to do.
I heard already that Indonesia said no and why would they say yes: wherever they went they brought terror, genocide and destruction. I really think that the ''palestinians'' are the worst culture on the planet. I do not know another culture that is so vicious and inhuman. Their whole culture is just terror and genocide. They are to me like the modern cannibal tribes. The only way to get rid of this problem is to name them after what they really are, meaning Egyptians, Jordanians, Saudis etc. You can find it out by their last name. Then give them those respective passports and send them there by force! IT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION!!!!!!!
THIS JUST IN FROM JEWISH NEWS SYNDICATE (Jan 26)
Trump calls on Arab nations to take in more Gazans
"You're talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say, 'You know, it's over,'" said the U.S. president.
Yes :)
Leave the land of Palestine, you idiots. There is no place for you in the Holy Land. We will not leave you. You are in the target.
I totally get your point about the money, but it's meant to make it more palatable for Jordan and Egypt to accept these people and NOT to keep them in refugee camps all over again, which fosters the anger. It's about true getting them integrated into the societies of those countries. Nothing more. And yes, later it can be claimed it was bought from them, fair and square. Who cares?
You're operating under a false assumption, Robin. It's one most people share. The idea that oppression provokes them and that helping them or being conciliatory towards them calms them. The exact opposite is true.
They are not the way they are because living in "refugee camps" has made them angry. First of all, those "refugee camps" are cities. They still call them refugee camps for propaganda purposes. Second of all, their rage comes from the fact that Israel exists. Third of all, raising their standard of living does the worst thing possible: it gives them hope. Hope of finally destroying us. It's not hopelessness that fuels them, contrary to Western views. It's hope.
Recognizing that two states already exist, the Jewish one, Israel, and the Arab state, Jordan, sounds good — on paper. Problem is "No one can reasonably ask the sheep to welcome the wolf into the fold." The Gazans elected Hamas and proceeded to physically destroy their political opponents, the PA. Abbas puts off elections time and again because, as polls tell him, Hamas will win. Other than who would be King of the Hill, the Charters of both pretty much align: Total conquest of the land and elimination of the Jews in accordance with the divine instructions of the Koran and Hadiths. Rules of Dar al Harb must prevail. And the powers that be in the West urge Israel not to be so stiff-necked Jews and cooperate with their nice neighbours. And too many Diasporic and Israeli Jews and Israeli politicians act like sheep being invited by jackals to dinner. They go expecting to discuss what will be on the menu. The jackals go to learn what time is supper.
True.
Thank you, Lisa. This is one of the most profoundly informed essays I have read. I had forgotten why Sharon decided to give up Gaza, so thank you for the disturbing reminder; politics first and people last. Israel has made many mistakes, and as you said, and I have always believed, "Israel held a flawed conception of how the Arabs thought." One would think if any country and its government would know the Arabs better than anyone, it would be Israel. On another note, I just read that Trump is sending a shipment of 2,000 pound bombs to Israel that Biden had held back for political reasons When Trump was asked why he was doing that he said, "Because they bought them." He would also like more Palestinians to settle in Egypt and Jordan. Of course, the latter thought is wishful thinking, but I believe he realizes with them sitting in Gaza is a no win situation. Al jazeera in their "infinite wisdom" called it ethnic cleansing. They can't even spin a good tale. Again, thank you for a great read.
Thanks. I have a piece about the "ethnic cleansing" thing. A couple, actually:
https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/ethnic-cleansing
https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/the-icj-ruling-and-historical-precedent
I appreciate your feedback, Diane.
I just finished reading your essay on ethnic cleansing. Wow, Lisa. I'm glad you tell it like it is and didn't hold back, and I couldn't agree more. Your listing of each war, with Israel giving in and giving back with the twisted thinking that there would be peace had been a conundrum for me. I had asked the question many times, why Israel's government always made the same mistake over and over again? Where does this delusional thinking come from, guilt, a sense of honorable justice, a naive belief that all will be good if we just give them a little more? Several quotes come to mind from the Woody Allen movie, Danny Rose, which I think are appropriate. "Don't pay any attention to anyone else. And do it to the other guy first, because, if you don't, he'll do it to you," and "Guilt is important. It's important to feel guilty, otherwise, you know, you're capable of terrible things. You know, it's very important to be guilty. I'm guilty all the time and I never did anything, you know." I believe the last quote is what Israel suffers from and they should take something away from the first. All in all, you are so spot on. I appreciate your energy and forthrightness in what you expess.
I mean, we don't want to go out and attack everyone who could theoretically be an enemy, like the character in Danny Rose is saying. But we do have a principle in Judaism that if someone is coming to kill you, you *must* kill him first. It's not even that you're permitted to; you're obligated to.
I agree, but the essence of the message was there for me, and what you said about our Judaic principle is it.
I think you’ve made some good points but it’s wrong to characterize all “Arabs” as one and bad. It’s as slippery as saying all Jews do everything with one mind, which would be the farthest from the truth. There are Arabs who want peace and Jews who hate all Arabs.
I didn't actually write this piece. This is an amalgamation of a few of my actual articles. There may be Arabs who want peace, but there are no "Palestinians" who do. Those who say they want peace, you just have to ask them a couple of questions:
1. Are you willing to accept a sovereign Jewish state, of any size at all, anywhere between the river and the sea?
2. Are you willing to forgo the "right" of 5.7 million "Palestinian refugees" to move to that state?
You won't find any "Palestinian Arabs" who will answer yes to those questions. When they say they support peace, they mean that they support an Arab victory. When they say they support a two state solution, what they mean is that they support one Palestinian Arab state, where Jews aren't allowed, and one binational state of Israel where everyone gets to vote, and 5.7 million refugees are allowed free entry in order to vote Israel out of existence.
Don't believe me. Try it yourself. Use the two questions above, and do *not* let the person you're questioning try to weasel out of it. Require a simple yes or no. And then you'll see the truth.
It's the El-Amarna letters. And we weren't the Apiru, retard.
Amir is nuts.
There is just no evidence of peaceful palestinians within palestinian culture. Those few that do actually want true peace are either dead or would be in minutes if they were in Gaza or Judea/Samaria, so they are exiles with no voice or influence within that culture.
That second question is tricky. There are around 9 million in Israel now— 2 million of which are Muslim Arabs. The Israelis have not kicked them out but rather have embraced a diversity of beliefs while maintaining its Jewish heritage. There must be a way for other Muslim (non jihadists) to join their 2 million brethren without destroying Israel. Maybe if other Muslim countries were more open to taking them in that would be a start for the refugees.
10 million, actually. And here's what I think you're not understanding. This is not about Arabs. It's not even about Muslim Arabs, though that's a far bigger problem than you seem to understand. It's about a "nation" of people for whom the absolute necessity of ending the Jewish state is literally the core and essence of their national identity.
There is no living with them. And while it's true that some Israeli Arabs are of this bent, some are not. They are Israelis, period. I don't know how many of those 2 million are salvagable. But I do know that not a single one living in Judea/Samaria or Gaza is.
None of them are refugees. UNRWA, which essentially created the "Palestinians", was created by the Arab League for the express purpose of preventing them from every settling down anywhere. To maintain a rage against Israel's very existence. Had it not been for the creation of UNRWA, the Arabs who left Israel during the 1948/9 war would long have been resettled and would now be living their best lives, many of them assimilated into civilized cultures and benefitting both themselves and the world.
Those who think "Palestinians" can be "denazified" or "deradicalized" miss the point. Denazification was possible because there was German-ness before Nazism. They had something to go back to. "Palestinians" don't exist without the implacable determination to destroy Israel. Without that, they're a bunch of tribes and clans that don't get along at all. And they can't be deradicalized, because their obsession is not at all radical in their society. It is as banal and unremarkable as the Orthodox Jewish belief in God. And as impossible to destroy without literal dispersal throughout the world and forced assimilation.
Jihad is only a tool for them. Islam is only a tool for them. Some of them believe in it, and some of them don't. It's become popular over the past couple of years to pretend that they are a tool of Iran. No. They have a common enemy, is all. Us. For a Palestinian, if there is a conflict between Islam and Palestinism, Palestinism will win every time. Fortunately for them, Islam is so depraved that there's rarely a conflict between them.
Do you know what the definition of "Palestinian refugee" is to be on the list that UNRWA maintains? If you are an Arab who arrived in the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean any time up until 1946 (two years before the State of Israel was declared), or if you are descended in the male line from such a person, you are a refugee. It doesn't matter where you live. If you live in Haifa as an Israeli citizen, you are still a Palestinian refugee. If you are a US citizen who is a millionaire, like Bella Hadid's father, you are still a Palestinian refugee. There's never been such a definition of "refugee" in the history of mankind. It's a distortion of the term, with the express purpose of playing on the heartstrings of civilized people, who can't bear the thought of people being refugees. But none of these people are refugees.
"Palestinian refugees" living in Lebanon (for example; the same is true elsewhere in the Arab world) are treated as second class citizens. But every one of them was born there. You can't call someone born in Lebanon and living in Lebanon a refugee from somewhere else. Not in good faith.
Do you know why the UNRWA definition includes people who arrived by 1946? Because the large majority of Arabs living between the river and the sea by that point had arrived there during the first half of the 20th century, drawn there by the jobs created by Israeli pioneers. There are only a handful of "Palestinians" who are descended from people who actually lived there since before 1900. Their entire story is a pastiche of Jewish history. With them as the "Jews".
. “You can't call someone born in Lebanon and living in Lebanon a refugee from somewhere else. Not in good faith.” I agree. From that perspective you could say we Ashkenazi are refugees from what was Austria-Hungary but it no longer exists. It’s an interesting thought, that of who really is a refugee.
and do *not* let the person you're questioning try to weasel out of it. Require a simple yes or no
Nice of you, Karen, to write a sample.
oh just shut up and release the hostages in your basement
Hi Lisa, great article. I in fact write very much in the same arena - weekly articles mainly on Israel-Palestine. I also have a policy of automatically subscribing back to those who subscribe to me, if that might interest you. Sample article here. https://scribejohn.substack.com/p/hamass-control-and-influence
This should be in every journalist’s repertoire prior to being able to discuss the Middle East… and in every middle school’s and university’s Middle East history class. Well articulated!!
Thanks. I didn't exactly articulate it, though. It's a radically rewritten version of several of my posts merged into one:
https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/from-the-river-to-the-sea
https://lisaliel.substack.com/p/there-are-no-do-overs
And possibly some others. You might enjoy the originals.
I like your thinking, and to offer them a grant to get out of town sounds wonderful. From your mouth to the politicians ears. Interesting read
WRONG! Israel cannot give them a cent to get out or it will look like we're "buying" the land from them. They don't own it!