When someone says to me we’ll make more terrorists in Gaza my response is well we have quite a few and about eighty percent support them so I’m not really sure how worse it can get. One clear way to reduce support is to cause the adversary to lose badly. They thrive on victory. The world is intent on not having Hamas and their supporters lose badly. The world likes dead Jews as the book title goes and nothing else explains the profound double standard that elevates this conflict to the worst current event and to hear the deranged tell it a Nazi caliber genocide. Of course you then have efforts to rewrite the word genocide and then of course not that apply that new definition to anyone other than Israel. I would exchange the word hope for annihilationist fantasy. I am sure this state of affairs owes not just to religious conflict and rejectionism but also to unchecked radical indoctrination and exceptional illiberalism. I would argue the Palestinians held better opinions of Israelis before the return of Arafat. I would also argue the west has a huge hand in the current negative state of affairs. I would further state the obvious that illiberal poorer societies on the border of liberal successful societies can be a volatile formula in different ways. And let’s not pretend that it’s only Jews that have had difficulty as a minority in the contemporary Middle East. I also don’t pretend that you can’t radicalize a population because I think Russia will be hated rightly by Ukrainians for generations and it may never be reparable. That’s Russia’s doing. There are instructive lessons there too. From the time of Khrushchev Russia was going through a slow thaw first reckoning with the evils of Stalin to loosening grip on the media and it culminated sadly with yeltsin’s fatal mistake of elevating Putin to save himself. The average person should know of navalny same as they knew of Mandela and navalny made the ultimate sacrifice knowingly. So then you have rigid state control of the media in Russia, imprisonment and murder of journalists, massive propaganda and a generation that is substantially poisoned. You might argue that as with the Palestinians the ingredients were still there you just have to stir it up but America with all its freedoms went through many evolutions and probably our biggest mistake is thinking evolutions of other cultures will look like ours but certainly they can evolve positively. I’m not sure how much lower you could sink as a society than being in thrall to a death cult that sacrifices children and can’t muster outrage over resources being used to build a tunnel system and war machine over infrastructure.
Well said.. and although I agree with the authors premise that Palestinian hatred of Israel can’t get much worse this stalemate can stay like this for generations. I suppose Israel at this point has nothing to lose but my gut tells me that a positive outcome is a long ways away if at all. It saddens me deeply for my children and my children’s children. We live in America and the left “progressives” can’t get much more regressive. It seems every generation of Jews faces some type of existential threat through extreme pogroms and this generation is no different. Having said all that a strong Israel is still better for Jewish people worldwide than the alternative. Am Yisrael Chai. I’m hoping for a good outcome for the next generation of Jews.
I think it’s true that if you absolutely crush all hope that then there is time needed for all the processes of grief, anger, denial, sorrow etc and at the end of the process (which can happen in as little time as five years) there finally comes acceptance.
But how to crush ALL hope with these fanatics is another matter. They see that if one lone terrorist murders an innocent Jewish family, then that is a victory and they rejoice and hope is rekindled.
I just don’t see how this model can be viable.
No one has so far mentioned the Abraham Accords. Some of the Arab nations are getting a bit pissed off with this whole conflict. They get nothing from supporting the Palestinians except aggravation but they hope to trade with a strong tech and medical savvy Israel that has plenty to offer them. So first one then two then maybe in time half the Arab nations ally themselves with Israel and then this endless stupid conflict that does nobody any good will become way less interesting.
Maybe that’s the long term answer because as sure as eggs is eggs nothing is going to make those simple, violent and stupid brainwashed ideologists , the ‘Palestinians’ change their little minds. Their leaders get to be billionaires by keeping them in thrall to their hope of annihilating Israel for a start. Israel is never going to nuke or just bomb the lot of them. It’s simply not the Jewish way to inflict suffering like that.
Jews are the ‘chosen’ people. They aren’t chosen for Holocaust s or pogroms or to be victors in wars. They are chosen to be ‘ a light unto the nations’ which is why they wage a war and send leaflets and phone the enemy first to vacate the building! So no they will only kill where necessary.
Golda Meir said it best ‘when they love their children more than they hate Jews there will be peace’ - so far there’s no chance of that.
The over or overt secularization of Jewish persons has not been a complete 'emancipation'. It has been as much an emaciation as emancipation. Every Jewish person and Jewish community has to sort out a new way forward. Our original Sources continue to be the missing ingredients even within the finest of secular education. That is just one of the elephants in one of the rooms.
This is the correct argument. It has to be manifestly evident to the Arabs that they have no chance of destroying Israel. If it wasn't for the anti-Semites and the associated imbeciles in the rest of the world egging them on, they likely would have stopped before now. Ultimately fewer people will die and the Arabs will be forced to deal with their own massively dysfunctional, failed societies if the Palestinian issue is put to rest. It's not like there's nowhere for these people to go. The Arabs can be forced to take them in. It's a relatively small population compared to the surrounding countries. Then let the Arabs deal with their own. But they aren't going to get a state and they aren't going to Israel. Appeasing bullies and psychopaths never works. The Arabs begged for this war. They got exactly what they wanted. Israel should be generous and give them more than they asked for, so they never ask again. Hopefully this conflict results in the West stopping its own path toward suicide by Islam. Unbelievable stupidity is not a survival strategy. The Israelis are showing the way. Let them finish the job.
Israel is faced with a seemingly impossible situation. Other Arab countries (and non-Arab ones too) won’t take the Palestinians. Let’s ask and see, but I guarantee their bleeding hearts for the Pally cause don't extend to taking them in. They would rather criticize Israel and keep them Israel’s problem.
We can’t deport them into the desert or onto some desert island or kill them. Jews don’t do that sort of thing, as much as we might want to.
We’ll need to herd them all into Gaza – every last one of them - and police them.
But here’s my crazy suggestion. Divide and conquer.
We stop the cycle of violence and hate by taking youngsters away from their parents.
Here’s how it could work. We allow teens and children to live a better life in Jewish/Israeli communities outside of Gaza if they agree to play by the rules.
We offer the kids stuff that all kids like. Make it their choice; not their parents.
And if other countries object, we pressure them to take in Pally families themselves or shut the hell up.
Yes, I know it sounds crazy but as long as they all stay together, they’ll have nothing to do but plot more crap against Israel and brainwash another generation to do the same thing.
At least you are thinking outside the box of 1 or two state "solutions"! I don't think most kids would want to do that, as family is pretty strong. And forcing them would just create resentment. But you're onto something about re-educating youngsters.
I'm no psychologist but some good ones would find ways to convince the kids they are helping their parents with this choice as well as themselves. Be creative!
I live in Montreal, Canada which is filled with Muslims from all over the place. I cannot avoid dealing with them. One is my hairdresser. The ones I deal with are middle aged people, in trades or professions. I get along well with them but purely on a superficial level. We are careful not to discuss politics. You cannot judge anything by the 2 Palestinians you met. Anyone can behave nicely when outside of his or her group. Frankly, I would never trust anyone who is a devout Muslim. Why? Because their holy book is filled with hateful garbage about Jews. There is also the Muslim tradition of "taqiyyah" which means hiding one's beliefs in non-Muslim nations. In other words, you cannot trust what they say they believe or don't believe. Some Palestinians, particularly those in Western universities, are also Marxists, since Marxism has traditionally allied itself with the Palestinian narrative and is also anti-Semitic. (Marx was Jewish himself, but a self-hating Jew.)
There are also some good things worth saving with Palestinian culture? It's not all about hatred of Jews. How to keep the life-affirming parts, while reducing the hatred? I think we shouldn't tackle this alone. We could get help from more life-affirming muslims like Sufis.
If Palestinians have a culture that doesn't have something to do with hate, they haven't exactly "showcased" it. Most of them come from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, etc., retaining "refugee" status all these years and conferring this status to their children and grandchildren. Whatever happens to them, I firmly believe that for many reasons, they should never have a state within Israel. If some of them, by some miracle of rehabilitation, can become law-abiding Israeli residents that's one thing. But Israel must have sovereignty over Gaza, Judea/Samaria for a number of vital reasons, including military security and to retain our aboriginal geography. The fewer Muslims in Israel the better, especially Shia Muslims, which the Palestinians are. Shia are Jihadis, plain and simple. Unless they disavow their faith completely, as did the "Son of Hamas" guy, they represent a threat to any democracy. That is why very few countries want them.
I have personally known 2 Palestinians and they were both very nice people. Have you known any personally? I think they were muslims, but maybe not very religious.
I'd like you to read the article below, which details how the Arab countries treated Palestinians. Yet Israel has treated them far better and still gets the blame for their so-called "mistreatment". You have to wonder why this group of people is so hated. I can tell you why. Because they are not a legitimate culture or nation; never have been. They have been the puppet of various Arab countries and/or terrorist groups. The best thing that could happen to Palestinian children is to remove them and raise them in another culture. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1111/what-about-the-arab-apartheid
I read the article. My takeaway metaphor: Just because Buchenwald is worse than Auschwitz is not a selling point for becoming an intern at Auschwitz... The Pals have had a hard time of it everywhere. We were talking about whether there is anything worth redeeming about their culture before you diverted attention to Auschwitz vs. Buchenwald (metaphorically).
Islam has many forms. As far as I know, some (all?) of the Sufis (though some ex-Sufis may have become terrorists) are pacifists and hence could be useful in educating children out of hatred. It is better than completely erasing their culture, the way the american colonialists have done to the natives. Jews are not colonialists! We don't erase cultures completely, at least not since biblical times.
Palestinians are NOT natives of Israel. Most of them are refugees from the very countries mentioned in that article. The only reason why we haven't gotten rid of them a long time ago, the way other Muslim countries did - was because of some "Jewish morality" that sounds very nice but hasn't been working well for us at all. In any case, if we can rehabilitate some of the children, that would something.
I agree that Gazans must endure high level pain long enough to sue for unconditional peace - ie on Israel’s terms. But to make this enduring requires all the moderate Muslims around the world to put pressure on Iran and all other extremist Islamic states and organisations to get the message across that “this has to stop forever”. Without their active support this kind of shit will happen again and again. And Israel knows this and is ready for it - brave, resilient people.
Thank you. Someone had to say it. I'm so glad it was you. You've done a Mitzvah of some sort by sorting it out logically i.e. use of a chart, and creatively through your writing style. I'd describe that style as spiral-like, or unrelenting in mixing the threads of logic and creativity. I don't know what it says for you, but I agree whole heartedly with your harshest points which I see as 'divine'. What appears to some as 'beshert' (Yiddish for 'destiny'?) or 'Hashgacha Pratis (Hebrew for 'Divine Providence'). Or as some may now be singing "It's beginning to look a lot like"... Chanukah:) Others may say "the writing is on the wall". Great essay, thanks Richard!
The benefits of "human rights" should be reserved for those who actually believe in human rights. Since the majority of Palestinians do not consider Jews as human, please, cry me no crocodile tears when it goes badly for them.
As long as the response of the nations of the world to any outrage perpetrated in the name of the Palestinian cause is to talk about "the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian People" there is no chance they will ever lose hope that they will eventually eradicate the Jews. The Palestinians may have aspirations but they are not legitimate, never were, and likely never will be. Israel spent decades bowing to the will of the world and the result is where we are now. There is virtually no chance that a decent replacement for Hamas will be found nor can the international community be trusted to ensure that it is. If Israel drops its efforts in this war the pre 10/7 system will be restored instantly.
You write: "In the long run, I think there is a good chance that Israel can end the conflict by breaking Palestinian will, which may require constant brutality towards Gaza and making everyone understand that the Palestinian cause is hopeless as every generation of Israelis is more hawkish than the one that came before. This may even happen in this war if Israel is brutal enough, but international pressure, mostly American, will likely stop things before we get to that point." America is one month away from a complete change in regards to Israel. ALREADY, Trump and his team have made statements about total support, that the idea of two-states or giving up any land is pretty dead, and more. I believe they would totally agree with your article here, and the changes are going to happen pretty quickly. I believe that a Golden Age for the Middle East, led by Israel (who has proven to be the real protector of the Middle East, NOT America) is coming. Sooner than you might think.
The world never tells the Fakestinians, "Every time you attack a Jew, you create another moral person tired of your evil bullshit...". They're irredeemably evil. Enough.
Lines on Maps, Lines on Graphs, Armchair Generals, led to WWI here in Europe in which Nations lost their best young men. Let us not repeat the worst of History. Yes, The Palestinians are not getting a State to launch Genocide against us, and Terror across Europe. But do not diminish them. Once they leave Gaza they are welcome to any life they choose. The Palestinians are only being held in Gaza as pawns by Anti-Semitic spooks high inside Western Ministries, who hate Jews. Gaza was once Egypt. So let this population leave for Egypt. They voted for Hamas and have now lost Hamas's War. War is tough. But that is the Logic of War. They Lost. Now they leave, to prevent the same War happening again in a decade's time. So, Let us not repeat the worst of History. But to keep our Moral Compass, please do not diminish the Palestinians. This is important for both The Jewish People and The Palestinians.
As for education, it will be a monumental multi-generational effort as for decades they have been brainwashing generations of their own children to keep fighting and killing. See the Appendix on this topic in my book "Revolutions: In Their Own Words -- What They Really Say About Their Causes (https://amzn.to/3T17NyZ)
Daniel Pipes (Middle East Forum) made this very rational argument many years ago in COMMENTARY magazine. And of course, he’s been smeared by most Western Jewish organizations and leaders as “far-right.” Maybe he was just “right.”
Speaking as a staunch supporter of Jewish-Israeli statehood, this essay is eliminationist, right-wing drivel. Has the strategy of disproportionate response worked in decades? No. The October 7 attack is proof of it. That Israel has failed to destroy Hamas and Hizbollah despite killing their leaders & inflicting massive casualties upon them in the last 15 months is further proof.
You can’t completely crush a movement like Palestinian nationalism which is deeply tied to a specific territory. It didn’t work for the British in Ireland and it won’t work for Israel in the West Bank and Gaza. The ethnic cleansing you propose will make Israel an even greater pariah in the international community. It would also give great credence to the hitherto false & inflammatory accusations of “genocide” against the Jewish State while simultaneously destabilizing it.
The Israeli Arabs make up more than one-fifth of Israel’s population. They are Israeli citizens who aren’t going anywhere. They won’t respond well to the permanent displacement of their brethren in Gaza & the West Bank. Your delusional and frankly, racist, solution will only end in further bloodshed for both Israelis and Palestinians
Totally agree The Arabs living in Isreal must be convinced that there is no hope that an Arab state in Israel will ever exist. As long as the world gives them this false hope, they will continue to fight
Agree to the extent you are speaking about the Arabs who are not living in Israel. The Arab Israelis, 21% of the Israeli population, serve throughout society in many trades and occupations and very seldom emigrate from Israel. Their life within Israel appears to be better than the life of Arabs in other surrounding countries.
The hate for Jews/Israel & the rest of the world/Christians, will never be gone, Pallestine/terrorists/islam/Jihad/evil, is under the dark evil spirits, only God Almighty can eliminated this dark forces/evil spirits. Israel has to defend its country & citizens, Israel must unite/ rest of world to stand united, against evil. with 2nd coming of Messiah, all will know He is the King of kings & Lord of lords, our Salvation everlasting
When someone says to me we’ll make more terrorists in Gaza my response is well we have quite a few and about eighty percent support them so I’m not really sure how worse it can get. One clear way to reduce support is to cause the adversary to lose badly. They thrive on victory. The world is intent on not having Hamas and their supporters lose badly. The world likes dead Jews as the book title goes and nothing else explains the profound double standard that elevates this conflict to the worst current event and to hear the deranged tell it a Nazi caliber genocide. Of course you then have efforts to rewrite the word genocide and then of course not that apply that new definition to anyone other than Israel. I would exchange the word hope for annihilationist fantasy. I am sure this state of affairs owes not just to religious conflict and rejectionism but also to unchecked radical indoctrination and exceptional illiberalism. I would argue the Palestinians held better opinions of Israelis before the return of Arafat. I would also argue the west has a huge hand in the current negative state of affairs. I would further state the obvious that illiberal poorer societies on the border of liberal successful societies can be a volatile formula in different ways. And let’s not pretend that it’s only Jews that have had difficulty as a minority in the contemporary Middle East. I also don’t pretend that you can’t radicalize a population because I think Russia will be hated rightly by Ukrainians for generations and it may never be reparable. That’s Russia’s doing. There are instructive lessons there too. From the time of Khrushchev Russia was going through a slow thaw first reckoning with the evils of Stalin to loosening grip on the media and it culminated sadly with yeltsin’s fatal mistake of elevating Putin to save himself. The average person should know of navalny same as they knew of Mandela and navalny made the ultimate sacrifice knowingly. So then you have rigid state control of the media in Russia, imprisonment and murder of journalists, massive propaganda and a generation that is substantially poisoned. You might argue that as with the Palestinians the ingredients were still there you just have to stir it up but America with all its freedoms went through many evolutions and probably our biggest mistake is thinking evolutions of other cultures will look like ours but certainly they can evolve positively. I’m not sure how much lower you could sink as a society than being in thrall to a death cult that sacrifices children and can’t muster outrage over resources being used to build a tunnel system and war machine over infrastructure.
Well said.. and although I agree with the authors premise that Palestinian hatred of Israel can’t get much worse this stalemate can stay like this for generations. I suppose Israel at this point has nothing to lose but my gut tells me that a positive outcome is a long ways away if at all. It saddens me deeply for my children and my children’s children. We live in America and the left “progressives” can’t get much more regressive. It seems every generation of Jews faces some type of existential threat through extreme pogroms and this generation is no different. Having said all that a strong Israel is still better for Jewish people worldwide than the alternative. Am Yisrael Chai. I’m hoping for a good outcome for the next generation of Jews.
I think it’s true that if you absolutely crush all hope that then there is time needed for all the processes of grief, anger, denial, sorrow etc and at the end of the process (which can happen in as little time as five years) there finally comes acceptance.
But how to crush ALL hope with these fanatics is another matter. They see that if one lone terrorist murders an innocent Jewish family, then that is a victory and they rejoice and hope is rekindled.
I just don’t see how this model can be viable.
No one has so far mentioned the Abraham Accords. Some of the Arab nations are getting a bit pissed off with this whole conflict. They get nothing from supporting the Palestinians except aggravation but they hope to trade with a strong tech and medical savvy Israel that has plenty to offer them. So first one then two then maybe in time half the Arab nations ally themselves with Israel and then this endless stupid conflict that does nobody any good will become way less interesting.
Maybe that’s the long term answer because as sure as eggs is eggs nothing is going to make those simple, violent and stupid brainwashed ideologists , the ‘Palestinians’ change their little minds. Their leaders get to be billionaires by keeping them in thrall to their hope of annihilating Israel for a start. Israel is never going to nuke or just bomb the lot of them. It’s simply not the Jewish way to inflict suffering like that.
Jews are the ‘chosen’ people. They aren’t chosen for Holocaust s or pogroms or to be victors in wars. They are chosen to be ‘ a light unto the nations’ which is why they wage a war and send leaflets and phone the enemy first to vacate the building! So no they will only kill where necessary.
Golda Meir said it best ‘when they love their children more than they hate Jews there will be peace’ - so far there’s no chance of that.
You are correct. Once Israel gave up control of the education system for the Palestinians things got a trillion times worse.
The over or overt secularization of Jewish persons has not been a complete 'emancipation'. It has been as much an emaciation as emancipation. Every Jewish person and Jewish community has to sort out a new way forward. Our original Sources continue to be the missing ingredients even within the finest of secular education. That is just one of the elephants in one of the rooms.
This is the correct argument. It has to be manifestly evident to the Arabs that they have no chance of destroying Israel. If it wasn't for the anti-Semites and the associated imbeciles in the rest of the world egging them on, they likely would have stopped before now. Ultimately fewer people will die and the Arabs will be forced to deal with their own massively dysfunctional, failed societies if the Palestinian issue is put to rest. It's not like there's nowhere for these people to go. The Arabs can be forced to take them in. It's a relatively small population compared to the surrounding countries. Then let the Arabs deal with their own. But they aren't going to get a state and they aren't going to Israel. Appeasing bullies and psychopaths never works. The Arabs begged for this war. They got exactly what they wanted. Israel should be generous and give them more than they asked for, so they never ask again. Hopefully this conflict results in the West stopping its own path toward suicide by Islam. Unbelievable stupidity is not a survival strategy. The Israelis are showing the way. Let them finish the job.
Israel is faced with a seemingly impossible situation. Other Arab countries (and non-Arab ones too) won’t take the Palestinians. Let’s ask and see, but I guarantee their bleeding hearts for the Pally cause don't extend to taking them in. They would rather criticize Israel and keep them Israel’s problem.
We can’t deport them into the desert or onto some desert island or kill them. Jews don’t do that sort of thing, as much as we might want to.
We’ll need to herd them all into Gaza – every last one of them - and police them.
But here’s my crazy suggestion. Divide and conquer.
We stop the cycle of violence and hate by taking youngsters away from their parents.
Here’s how it could work. We allow teens and children to live a better life in Jewish/Israeli communities outside of Gaza if they agree to play by the rules.
We offer the kids stuff that all kids like. Make it their choice; not their parents.
And if other countries object, we pressure them to take in Pally families themselves or shut the hell up.
Yes, I know it sounds crazy but as long as they all stay together, they’ll have nothing to do but plot more crap against Israel and brainwash another generation to do the same thing.
At least you are thinking outside the box of 1 or two state "solutions"! I don't think most kids would want to do that, as family is pretty strong. And forcing them would just create resentment. But you're onto something about re-educating youngsters.
I'm no psychologist but some good ones would find ways to convince the kids they are helping their parents with this choice as well as themselves. Be creative!
I live in Montreal, Canada which is filled with Muslims from all over the place. I cannot avoid dealing with them. One is my hairdresser. The ones I deal with are middle aged people, in trades or professions. I get along well with them but purely on a superficial level. We are careful not to discuss politics. You cannot judge anything by the 2 Palestinians you met. Anyone can behave nicely when outside of his or her group. Frankly, I would never trust anyone who is a devout Muslim. Why? Because their holy book is filled with hateful garbage about Jews. There is also the Muslim tradition of "taqiyyah" which means hiding one's beliefs in non-Muslim nations. In other words, you cannot trust what they say they believe or don't believe. Some Palestinians, particularly those in Western universities, are also Marxists, since Marxism has traditionally allied itself with the Palestinian narrative and is also anti-Semitic. (Marx was Jewish himself, but a self-hating Jew.)
There are also some good things worth saving with Palestinian culture? It's not all about hatred of Jews. How to keep the life-affirming parts, while reducing the hatred? I think we shouldn't tackle this alone. We could get help from more life-affirming muslims like Sufis.
If Palestinians have a culture that doesn't have something to do with hate, they haven't exactly "showcased" it. Most of them come from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, etc., retaining "refugee" status all these years and conferring this status to their children and grandchildren. Whatever happens to them, I firmly believe that for many reasons, they should never have a state within Israel. If some of them, by some miracle of rehabilitation, can become law-abiding Israeli residents that's one thing. But Israel must have sovereignty over Gaza, Judea/Samaria for a number of vital reasons, including military security and to retain our aboriginal geography. The fewer Muslims in Israel the better, especially Shia Muslims, which the Palestinians are. Shia are Jihadis, plain and simple. Unless they disavow their faith completely, as did the "Son of Hamas" guy, they represent a threat to any democracy. That is why very few countries want them.
I have personally known 2 Palestinians and they were both very nice people. Have you known any personally? I think they were muslims, but maybe not very religious.
I'd like you to read the article below, which details how the Arab countries treated Palestinians. Yet Israel has treated them far better and still gets the blame for their so-called "mistreatment". You have to wonder why this group of people is so hated. I can tell you why. Because they are not a legitimate culture or nation; never have been. They have been the puppet of various Arab countries and/or terrorist groups. The best thing that could happen to Palestinian children is to remove them and raise them in another culture. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1111/what-about-the-arab-apartheid
I read the article. My takeaway metaphor: Just because Buchenwald is worse than Auschwitz is not a selling point for becoming an intern at Auschwitz... The Pals have had a hard time of it everywhere. We were talking about whether there is anything worth redeeming about their culture before you diverted attention to Auschwitz vs. Buchenwald (metaphorically).
Islam has many forms. As far as I know, some (all?) of the Sufis (though some ex-Sufis may have become terrorists) are pacifists and hence could be useful in educating children out of hatred. It is better than completely erasing their culture, the way the american colonialists have done to the natives. Jews are not colonialists! We don't erase cultures completely, at least not since biblical times.
Palestinians are NOT natives of Israel. Most of them are refugees from the very countries mentioned in that article. The only reason why we haven't gotten rid of them a long time ago, the way other Muslim countries did - was because of some "Jewish morality" that sounds very nice but hasn't been working well for us at all. In any case, if we can rehabilitate some of the children, that would something.
All I need to read is the title of the article.
I AGREE.
Then there are some of us who read equally from many different sources and perspectives.
Yeah, and …?
Yes, that must be it.
Not all people. I read all sorts of crap I vehemently disagree with and I can’t be the only one!
Andrea seems to have very set rules on what, and when we should read. Pretty funny for someone who knows no one here.
Yeah, perhaps you’re overthinking this one?!
I agree that Gazans must endure high level pain long enough to sue for unconditional peace - ie on Israel’s terms. But to make this enduring requires all the moderate Muslims around the world to put pressure on Iran and all other extremist Islamic states and organisations to get the message across that “this has to stop forever”. Without their active support this kind of shit will happen again and again. And Israel knows this and is ready for it - brave, resilient people.
Thank you. Someone had to say it. I'm so glad it was you. You've done a Mitzvah of some sort by sorting it out logically i.e. use of a chart, and creatively through your writing style. I'd describe that style as spiral-like, or unrelenting in mixing the threads of logic and creativity. I don't know what it says for you, but I agree whole heartedly with your harshest points which I see as 'divine'. What appears to some as 'beshert' (Yiddish for 'destiny'?) or 'Hashgacha Pratis (Hebrew for 'Divine Providence'). Or as some may now be singing "It's beginning to look a lot like"... Chanukah:) Others may say "the writing is on the wall". Great essay, thanks Richard!
The benefits of "human rights" should be reserved for those who actually believe in human rights. Since the majority of Palestinians do not consider Jews as human, please, cry me no crocodile tears when it goes badly for them.
As long as the response of the nations of the world to any outrage perpetrated in the name of the Palestinian cause is to talk about "the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian People" there is no chance they will ever lose hope that they will eventually eradicate the Jews. The Palestinians may have aspirations but they are not legitimate, never were, and likely never will be. Israel spent decades bowing to the will of the world and the result is where we are now. There is virtually no chance that a decent replacement for Hamas will be found nor can the international community be trusted to ensure that it is. If Israel drops its efforts in this war the pre 10/7 system will be restored instantly.
You write: "In the long run, I think there is a good chance that Israel can end the conflict by breaking Palestinian will, which may require constant brutality towards Gaza and making everyone understand that the Palestinian cause is hopeless as every generation of Israelis is more hawkish than the one that came before. This may even happen in this war if Israel is brutal enough, but international pressure, mostly American, will likely stop things before we get to that point." America is one month away from a complete change in regards to Israel. ALREADY, Trump and his team have made statements about total support, that the idea of two-states or giving up any land is pretty dead, and more. I believe they would totally agree with your article here, and the changes are going to happen pretty quickly. I believe that a Golden Age for the Middle East, led by Israel (who has proven to be the real protector of the Middle East, NOT America) is coming. Sooner than you might think.
Yes!!
The world never tells the Fakestinians, "Every time you attack a Jew, you create another moral person tired of your evil bullshit...". They're irredeemably evil. Enough.
Lines on Maps, Lines on Graphs, Armchair Generals, led to WWI here in Europe in which Nations lost their best young men. Let us not repeat the worst of History. Yes, The Palestinians are not getting a State to launch Genocide against us, and Terror across Europe. But do not diminish them. Once they leave Gaza they are welcome to any life they choose. The Palestinians are only being held in Gaza as pawns by Anti-Semitic spooks high inside Western Ministries, who hate Jews. Gaza was once Egypt. So let this population leave for Egypt. They voted for Hamas and have now lost Hamas's War. War is tough. But that is the Logic of War. They Lost. Now they leave, to prevent the same War happening again in a decade's time. So, Let us not repeat the worst of History. But to keep our Moral Compass, please do not diminish the Palestinians. This is important for both The Jewish People and The Palestinians.
I think the article misses the main point. What is the root cause? The answer unfortunately is Islam's main tenet of global religious domination. The Palestinian cause is merely a tactic towards this overall goal (https://thetruthfulproject.blogspot.com/2023/03/appeared-in-jerusalem-post-edited-for.html)
After doing much research and thought there really are only two solutions: 1. Islam must change. See what Egypt's al-Sisi said in 2015 (https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/06/africa/egypt-president-speech/index.html) or 2. Islam must be destroyed by the rest of the world (see PEW Research on the Islamification of Europe (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/) and Uzay Bulut's JNS article The Golden Rule makes political Islam different (https://www.jns.org/the-golden-rule-makes-political-islam-different/).
As for education, it will be a monumental multi-generational effort as for decades they have been brainwashing generations of their own children to keep fighting and killing. See the Appendix on this topic in my book "Revolutions: In Their Own Words -- What They Really Say About Their Causes (https://amzn.to/3T17NyZ)
Islam won’t change.
It already has from its inception. And it already has more peaceful sects like the Sufis. They need to be encouraged.
Daniel Pipes (Middle East Forum) made this very rational argument many years ago in COMMENTARY magazine. And of course, he’s been smeared by most Western Jewish organizations and leaders as “far-right.” Maybe he was just “right.”
Speaking as a staunch supporter of Jewish-Israeli statehood, this essay is eliminationist, right-wing drivel. Has the strategy of disproportionate response worked in decades? No. The October 7 attack is proof of it. That Israel has failed to destroy Hamas and Hizbollah despite killing their leaders & inflicting massive casualties upon them in the last 15 months is further proof.
You can’t completely crush a movement like Palestinian nationalism which is deeply tied to a specific territory. It didn’t work for the British in Ireland and it won’t work for Israel in the West Bank and Gaza. The ethnic cleansing you propose will make Israel an even greater pariah in the international community. It would also give great credence to the hitherto false & inflammatory accusations of “genocide” against the Jewish State while simultaneously destabilizing it.
The Israeli Arabs make up more than one-fifth of Israel’s population. They are Israeli citizens who aren’t going anywhere. They won’t respond well to the permanent displacement of their brethren in Gaza & the West Bank. Your delusional and frankly, racist, solution will only end in further bloodshed for both Israelis and Palestinians
Totally agree The Arabs living in Isreal must be convinced that there is no hope that an Arab state in Israel will ever exist. As long as the world gives them this false hope, they will continue to fight
Agree to the extent you are speaking about the Arabs who are not living in Israel. The Arab Israelis, 21% of the Israeli population, serve throughout society in many trades and occupations and very seldom emigrate from Israel. Their life within Israel appears to be better than the life of Arabs in other surrounding countries.
Wasn't referring to those Arabs
The hate for Jews/Israel & the rest of the world/Christians, will never be gone, Pallestine/terrorists/islam/Jihad/evil, is under the dark evil spirits, only God Almighty can eliminated this dark forces/evil spirits. Israel has to defend its country & citizens, Israel must unite/ rest of world to stand united, against evil. with 2nd coming of Messiah, all will know He is the King of kings & Lord of lords, our Salvation everlasting