Trump as always deserves a huge amount of credit for thinking out of the box in approaching conventional wisdom that has failed in its application to the facts on the ground
Trump as always deserves credit for thinking like an opportunistic grifter, who clearly has no ideas beyond those beneficial to Donald Trump. Yes, habitually disregarding laws and ethical norms is unconventional, by definition. No, spewing a torrent of objective lies every time he opens his mouth is not a commitment to "the facts in the ground." Are you really this unserious?
The plan makes the mistaken assumption that Gazans think like westerners. That is, prosperity and a higher standard of living will result in peace and harmony. Though I am sure they would rather be prosperous than poor, no amount of material wealth will override their desire to destroy Israel and establish an Islamic state.
That’s my thought too. I used to think if Palestinians had an economic future to look forward to instead of being robbed by the PA, they would not care about politics and would focus on living the dream. I changed my mind about that even before 10:7. Their dream is a Jew free Palestine from the river to the sea. They need to become real people, not rabid terrorists. Then we can talk.
You are correct. This was the mistaken premise of the Oslo accords. However while the Gazans will take Jew murder over prosperity it may be that they have reached the point where they are no longer interested in being literal cannon fodder for Hamas' losing war.
A good article as far as it goes, but it is missing a few significant details.
"many Gazans have Egyptian surnames that trace back to regions in Egypt . . . . names, along with oral family histories, reinforce the reality that much of Gaza’s population is not indigenous to the land but rather the descendants of Egyptian migrants."
Not to mention that Arafat himself was born in Cairo.
"[The Gazan population's deep historical ties to Egypt] complicates the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict, raising questions about why Egypt, which borders Gaza, has largely refused to integrate or take responsibility for a population that shares deep historical, familial, and cultural ties with its own people."
Could the answer possibly be because Hamas and Islamic Jihad are intimately connected to the Moslem Brotherhood, a violent organization dedicated to the overthrow of the Egyptian government, leading the government to take a dim view of adherents to the Brotherhood and allies' fundamental religious ideology?
"When Israel administered the Strip following the 1967 Six-Day War, it built industrial zones where tens of thousands of Gazans worked alongside Israelis, fostering a microcosm of peaceful coexistence through economic cooperation."
True. Moreover, Israel employed thousands of Gazans providing them with living wages superior to what they would earn back in the conclave. They also work in the kibbutzim in the and Gazan envelope. Peace through prosperity dividend? Upon retreat from Gaza, the Arabs destroyed the greenhouses, tore up the water delivery system, and turned the metal piping into rockets. Those who worked on the kibbutsim turned over detailed information about the residents (most of whom were ardent peaceniks) and infrastructure to Hamas. Contrary too the author's assertions that "in private, many people there long to break free from Hamas’ control," to this day, Hamas' popularity among the civilians polls from 75% to 80%. Thus the conclusions that "A stable, prosperous Gaza would mean fewer security threats, reduced migration crises, and a better investment climate across the region" may be wishful thinking based on Western values rather than realistic assessment of possibilities and probabilities based on Arab religeo-cultural values and sensibilities. What we in the West (including Israel) from the person in the street, to the media, to Academia, to the halls of political power fail to take into consideration to all our peril is how much Arab societies are conservative, traditional, and deeply religious. Imposing Western solutions that would work for Westerners will not work for societies that see the world through entirely different lenses.
These are interesting ideas, if only Gazans leaving Gaza were not going to take their radicalized Islamist ideology with them. And the ones who stay behind . . . is anyone able to imagine their welcoming western women in bathing suits onto their beaches?
This is one of the very best defenses of Trump’s plans for Gaza that I have read. The idea is not as “crazy” as some of my friends have suggested it to be. Thank you for writing this. I have restacked it.
That's why I am glad its Joshua and not me.If he took my stance openly,people would dismiss it as crazy talk,though what I said is purely true and obviously so.
Joshua is very prudent,and was also prudent enough to reject my early suggestion of joining Lew Rockwell's links page That guy is a drooling Nazi fraud.
I really like Joshua’s writing. He gave good reasons for his position without any reference to the justifiably defeated Nazi’s from WWII. I like to stay in the present when discussing present problems. I do not mind references to historical realities so long as they are genuinely relative to present ones.
Nazi’s of WWII are not, in my opinion, relative to the real problems we face today. I would not give them that much credit.
"Why would anyone who genuinely cares about the Palestinians want them to remain trapped in a war zone?"
Nobody genuinely cares about the Palestinians. And as far as leaders seeing the world not as it is but as it could be, the problem to this point is that too many leaders see the world as they wish it was rather than as it is. This is the curse of our time.
Amen. Trump is heading that way quickly. Removed from UN Human Rights cartoon yesterday and Israel did right behind him I heard this morning (I think this a.m.—he’s killing so many with the jawbone of an ass I can’t keep up).
Ah. Got some horses to bring over. And sheep. Remember Zephaniah 2…after HaShem destroys Gaza and runs the inhabitants out, listen to the rebuild . . . “So the seacoast will be pastures, with caves for shepherds and folds for flocks. And the Coast will be for the remnant of the house of Judah.”
Samuel Clemons once wrote that Israel was a barren wasteland and look what we did. Blooming like a rose, it is. The Golden One sees what that brown strip will be. I do too. I’ll invest…
Twain was also a proud atheist Jew Hater expressing shock at the precise conformity to prophecy and reported travelling days at a time without seeing a single soul of any ethnicity,much less Fakestinian.
I don't know, Fakestinian leaders have said that it was desolate,and no one (Arab) cared anything about it until the Zionists came
Encyclopedia Brittanica of the pre Zionist period said it was barren and desolate and the population after three major massacres by Egyptians consisted of a remnant of 6K Jews and 9K Bedouin,who are technically Arab but are not tied to any land ,at home anywhere and nowhere.
Trump's ideas about Gaza are aspirational, and for thinking outside the box he should be commended. He envisages a demilitarized Gaza where Gazans can enjoy a better life and Israel's security is enhanced. The deadend notion of Palestinian statehood is ignored, not part of the equation, because it isn't realistic and only leads to war and bloodshed. Indirectly he is saying that just as the "Palestinians", i.e. Arabs, can live happily in Israel and not in a Palestinian state, so too can the Gazans live happily in a non Palestinian state.
Remember this. Your roses will grow from the blood of innocent Palestinian men, women and children. And before you respond take a good long look in the mirror and repeat what I said. Then repent! This is gods will.
He would also be giving the Palestinians a choice of leaving or staying. This is only a proposal and may simply be a way for opening up dialogue with Arab countries to come up with ways to do this.
Where would they go - nobody will take them... I would suggest any of the countries that supported Palestinians in the UN should open their welcoming arms. Maybe Ireland who love them so much will invite them in as fellow victims of "colonialism".
I like your suggestion but we know what hypocrites those people are. Besides, this could be an opening for dialogue among Trump and the Arab countries on what to do with them. Never say never. Thinking outside the box is so much more creative than "two-state delusion.)
Love it! ‘Those damn Irish’…grandpa was British—he always said that and it’s a running joke in our family. No direct hatred here, however, the pro palestinianism is loud in dear Eirie.
Irishholocaust.org They are more oppressed than you can conceive of,and it certainly is not their fault that sexually perverted Nazis have taken control and resistance if quashed hardly.
That smal Island has absorbed 1.5 million "refugees" into their finest hotels at a cost of millions of pounds/euros while their own people sleep in the snow.
You are barking up the wrong tree.
Also check the Ireland -Israel alliance on YouTube for a more accurate picture of Ireland.
They have to pay for a license to even watch TV,and they are tfe original victims of the proto Deep State. Their heads are so twisted,they insist the scions of the British Elites who control the nation's are Irish for having been born there,and reject the Diaspora,for having fled for their lives,do their descendants were not born there and cannot thus be Irish,even though their genetic descent is often purer than the Anglophiles who stayed.
The bottom line is very simple,they have been programmed more brutally and for longer than any other people on Earth.
They are persuaded to see " Colonizing Fake Jews from Europe" in the role of England and the Fakestinians as their oppressed, indigenous selves.
They’d rather burn families alive in Israel and shoot the family dogs than live well in another place. Gaza was beautiful in many parts before October 7. But the butcher of khan younis didn’t care and brighter neither did the vast majority of Gazans.
They’d rather burn families alive in Israel and shoot the family dogs than live well in another place. Gaza was beautiful in many parts before October 7. But the butcher of khan younis didn’t care and neither did the vast majority of Gazans.
Exactly. No one can negotiate with evil. They must be removed. Execute justice for Oct 7. The babies are still prisoners. Notice how Trump framed his robust plan.
You can always dream beautiful dreams but western leaders and politicians are corrupted with Muslim petroleum money and bribes 😢In reality it is difficult to transfer Gazan people to other countries. We have to understand that this is a religious war going on 🔥🔥🙌🙏They have proclaimed the global revolution, global intifada. Yisrael is fighting for USA and for western nations 🙌🙏🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🙌🙏Trump has no authority to take Gaza away from Israel, HASHEM ALMIGHTY has given Eretz Yisrael to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob (Israel ) Two and half Jewish tribes have their land share on the eastern side of Jordan River, that is very important 🔥🔥🔥The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Yisrael ( Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin is also in the Third Temple. Final peace comes when Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HASHEM 🙏🙌🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🙏🙌🙌🙏IT IS ALL ABOUT JERUSALEM AND MOUNT MORIAH 🙌🙏🇮🇱🔥❤️✡️❤️🔥🇮🇱🙌🙏
They don't want their own state. They never have. They want our state, with all the Jews gone.
They claim Gaza is an outdoor prison, but when offered to be freed from it, they will not leave.
Clinton told Arafat that if he didn't make peace there would come a point when options available back in 2000 would be foreclosed. That time has now arrived.
The Palestinians are deluded. Jordon doesn't want them. Egypt doesn't want them. Douglas Murray has some thoughts on where they might go:
This is ethnic cleansing; plain and simple. Disgusting Zionism! If the Americans go through with this they, along with anyone else involved, will be judged! Shame!
why is the right of Jewish self-determination in their ancestral homeland “disgusting” to you? do you see the right of self-determination of any other group of people as “disgusting”? I am not defending the idea of forcefully removing Gazans from Gaza, merely inquiring about your framing here. Do you think the best thing for Gazans is to remain in a state of perpetual victimhood, with no agency, no freedoms, in order to feed the needs of the world’s antisemites?
Palestinians also have the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland. What Trump is suggesting is in fact an ethnic cleansing that will be judged. Maybe if Israel didn’t keep the Palestinians in an open air prison for decades they would have created the society they deserve. Israel also has blood on its hands and will be judged. This is noticing to end well for anyone in the region. Boycott Israel!
Oh, I see. You drunk all of the Soviet-era kool-aid. How unfortunate. Maybe if the Palestinians had ever had leadership that promoted state-building and living in peace, the Israelis wouldn't have had to enact so many defensive measures. This is not a chicken/egg conundrum. The Jew-hatred existed long before any Muslim Arabs referred to themselves as "Palestinian." To make peace, one needs partners working towards that on all sides.
Also, I note that you did not actually respond to my question, but chose to filter your own lack of reading comprehension in order to continue to broadcast your double standards and racism of low expectations. Sigh.
It's more 'terrorist' cleansing, if you paid attention to the details. Bibi has stated clearly that all those who disavow terrorism will be allowed to return. This has NOTHING to do with their race or ethnicity. If all or most Gazans had been peace-loving with no intentions to harm or destroy their neighbours, there would have been NO conflict the past decades.
Netanyahu cannot be trusted, nor can Israel. The US and Israel are now pariah states to most of the world. A lot of people are boycotting everything American and Israeli, myself included. When I see US or Israeli products now I get a feeling of disgust. It was never this way just a year ago. But with Trump threatening allies and wanting to own Gaza I just can’t support either country anymore.
Are you seriously endorsing DONALD TRUMP as a "wise leader"? This is a man who is a habitual liar (this is a *fact*), who brags about grabbing women by the pussy, who routinely disregards laws and subverts elections, who openly threatens and endangers his political opponents, who threatens and alienates America's allies, who recommends injecting bleach as a treatment for covid... this list could literally go on for a thousand words and be incomplete. Now he wants to forcibly remove millions of deeply traumatized people from their home, against their will, and you're sanewashing this as some reasonably wise and generous plan? Give me a break. This is insane.
Exterminate? So you become the beast that my people fought in WW2? History does indeed repeat itself, just with different actors. FYI. I do not support Hamas, just the INNOCENT people of Palestine.
Trump as always deserves a huge amount of credit for thinking out of the box in approaching conventional wisdom that has failed in its application to the facts on the ground
Trump as always deserves credit for thinking like an opportunistic grifter, who clearly has no ideas beyond those beneficial to Donald Trump. Yes, habitually disregarding laws and ethical norms is unconventional, by definition. No, spewing a torrent of objective lies every time he opens his mouth is not a commitment to "the facts in the ground." Are you really this unserious?
The plan makes the mistaken assumption that Gazans think like westerners. That is, prosperity and a higher standard of living will result in peace and harmony. Though I am sure they would rather be prosperous than poor, no amount of material wealth will override their desire to destroy Israel and establish an Islamic state.
That’s my thought too. I used to think if Palestinians had an economic future to look forward to instead of being robbed by the PA, they would not care about politics and would focus on living the dream. I changed my mind about that even before 10:7. Their dream is a Jew free Palestine from the river to the sea. They need to become real people, not rabid terrorists. Then we can talk.
You are correct. This was the mistaken premise of the Oslo accords. However while the Gazans will take Jew murder over prosperity it may be that they have reached the point where they are no longer interested in being literal cannon fodder for Hamas' losing war.
A good article as far as it goes, but it is missing a few significant details.
"many Gazans have Egyptian surnames that trace back to regions in Egypt . . . . names, along with oral family histories, reinforce the reality that much of Gaza’s population is not indigenous to the land but rather the descendants of Egyptian migrants."
Not to mention that Arafat himself was born in Cairo.
"[The Gazan population's deep historical ties to Egypt] complicates the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict, raising questions about why Egypt, which borders Gaza, has largely refused to integrate or take responsibility for a population that shares deep historical, familial, and cultural ties with its own people."
Could the answer possibly be because Hamas and Islamic Jihad are intimately connected to the Moslem Brotherhood, a violent organization dedicated to the overthrow of the Egyptian government, leading the government to take a dim view of adherents to the Brotherhood and allies' fundamental religious ideology?
"When Israel administered the Strip following the 1967 Six-Day War, it built industrial zones where tens of thousands of Gazans worked alongside Israelis, fostering a microcosm of peaceful coexistence through economic cooperation."
True. Moreover, Israel employed thousands of Gazans providing them with living wages superior to what they would earn back in the conclave. They also work in the kibbutzim in the and Gazan envelope. Peace through prosperity dividend? Upon retreat from Gaza, the Arabs destroyed the greenhouses, tore up the water delivery system, and turned the metal piping into rockets. Those who worked on the kibbutsim turned over detailed information about the residents (most of whom were ardent peaceniks) and infrastructure to Hamas. Contrary too the author's assertions that "in private, many people there long to break free from Hamas’ control," to this day, Hamas' popularity among the civilians polls from 75% to 80%. Thus the conclusions that "A stable, prosperous Gaza would mean fewer security threats, reduced migration crises, and a better investment climate across the region" may be wishful thinking based on Western values rather than realistic assessment of possibilities and probabilities based on Arab religeo-cultural values and sensibilities. What we in the West (including Israel) from the person in the street, to the media, to Academia, to the halls of political power fail to take into consideration to all our peril is how much Arab societies are conservative, traditional, and deeply religious. Imposing Western solutions that would work for Westerners will not work for societies that see the world through entirely different lenses.
There's a whole list in the WIN archives which goes into Jordan and Iraq,including Al-Tikriti,Saddam Hussein s Tribal Surname.
Thanks for the leads. Will look into them.
This talk was made by the Nazi terrorist Zionist entity.
Thank you for proving my point.
These are interesting ideas, if only Gazans leaving Gaza were not going to take their radicalized Islamist ideology with them. And the ones who stay behind . . . is anyone able to imagine their welcoming western women in bathing suits onto their beaches?
Bathing suits by Smith & Wesson…
YOU ARE A DISGUSTING HUMAN BEING! IF IN FACT YOU ARE HUMAN! YOU WILL BE JUDGED!
This is one of the very best defenses of Trump’s plans for Gaza that I have read. The idea is not as “crazy” as some of my friends have suggested it to be. Thank you for writing this. I have restacked it.
That's why I am glad its Joshua and not me.If he took my stance openly,people would dismiss it as crazy talk,though what I said is purely true and obviously so.
Joshua is very prudent,and was also prudent enough to reject my early suggestion of joining Lew Rockwell's links page That guy is a drooling Nazi fraud.
I really like Joshua’s writing. He gave good reasons for his position without any reference to the justifiably defeated Nazi’s from WWII. I like to stay in the present when discussing present problems. I do not mind references to historical realities so long as they are genuinely relative to present ones.
Nazi’s of WWII are not, in my opinion, relative to the real problems we face today. I would not give them that much credit.
"Why would anyone who genuinely cares about the Palestinians want them to remain trapped in a war zone?"
Nobody genuinely cares about the Palestinians. And as far as leaders seeing the world not as it is but as it could be, the problem to this point is that too many leaders see the world as they wish it was rather than as it is. This is the curse of our time.
One of the all time greatest FoJ posts!
However,I don't have a reputation to uphold,so I am just going to say it:
International Law is an evil scam and a fraud and should be disdained openly by the US and Israel.
The UN evicted and no further funding.
Then Justice can begin to roll likes river throughout the Earth.
Amen. Trump is heading that way quickly. Removed from UN Human Rights cartoon yesterday and Israel did right behind him I heard this morning (I think this a.m.—he’s killing so many with the jawbone of an ass I can’t keep up).
I have grown accustomed to the semi-trolling policies of DT but this one has me stumped!
This must be some kind of 4-moves-ahead masterplan to deal wit the Iranians or something...
In Gaza we have:
Worthless strip of brownfield land with no infrastructure or resources
Population that never produced anything besides industrialised amounts of violence
Truly a globalist's dream. Too late to become the ME's giant brothel - Dubai already perfected that biz model.
You apparently unaware of the energy under Gaza.
It's more than worth it,much more.
Also,you could not pay me to go to Dubai. But Gaza for the beach and Israel for the history and culture? Wild Horses couldn't keep me away.
Ah. Got some horses to bring over. And sheep. Remember Zephaniah 2…after HaShem destroys Gaza and runs the inhabitants out, listen to the rebuild . . . “So the seacoast will be pastures, with caves for shepherds and folds for flocks. And the Coast will be for the remnant of the house of Judah.”
Thank you,I needed that!
I have been getting rather stale in my rants at imaginary Christians who are tfe worst Jew Haters.
Disgusting. 🤮 Shame on you!
You couldn't get me to impersonate God with any bribe!
You are disgusting.
Womp womp. There is no god in your heart and you know it. Deep down you know it.
You are a Satanic Slimebucket ,the descrndan5 of Satanic Dline Buckets,and you know nothing of God.For you to even mention God is depraved obscenity.
Were you looking in the mirror when you thought of this comment?
Gorgeous beach. Once had gorgeous palm tree lined boulevards and lovely villas.
Samuel Clemons once wrote that Israel was a barren wasteland and look what we did. Blooming like a rose, it is. The Golden One sees what that brown strip will be. I do too. I’ll invest…
Twain was also a proud atheist Jew Hater expressing shock at the precise conformity to prophecy and reported travelling days at a time without seeing a single soul of any ethnicity,much less Fakestinian.
He got the beauty of the land wrong too…
I don't know, Fakestinian leaders have said that it was desolate,and no one (Arab) cared anything about it until the Zionists came
Encyclopedia Brittanica of the pre Zionist period said it was barren and desolate and the population after three major massacres by Egyptians consisted of a remnant of 6K Jews and 9K Bedouin,who are technically Arab but are not tied to any land ,at home anywhere and nowhere.
Then a Palestinian state could also bloom like a rose in the desert; if the Zionists give them freedom!
Trump's ideas about Gaza are aspirational, and for thinking outside the box he should be commended. He envisages a demilitarized Gaza where Gazans can enjoy a better life and Israel's security is enhanced. The deadend notion of Palestinian statehood is ignored, not part of the equation, because it isn't realistic and only leads to war and bloodshed. Indirectly he is saying that just as the "Palestinians", i.e. Arabs, can live happily in Israel and not in a Palestinian state, so too can the Gazans live happily in a non Palestinian state.
But he's wrong about that. They cannot live happily so long as Israel exists.
Allow them provision to hate us from afar…I want to take a dip in the sea when done tending my roses in my greenhouse Trump will help me build.
I love your greenhouse idea👨🌾🪴
The problem is, where?
Remember this. Your roses will grow from the blood of innocent Palestinian men, women and children. And before you respond take a good long look in the mirror and repeat what I said. Then repent! This is gods will.
Which is why they need to be behind a buffer zone.
Who says they'll have choice? Oh wait, they will, whether to stay or leave.
He would also be giving the Palestinians a choice of leaving or staying. This is only a proposal and may simply be a way for opening up dialogue with Arab countries to come up with ways to do this.
Where would they go - nobody will take them... I would suggest any of the countries that supported Palestinians in the UN should open their welcoming arms. Maybe Ireland who love them so much will invite them in as fellow victims of "colonialism".
I like your suggestion but we know what hypocrites those people are. Besides, this could be an opening for dialogue among Trump and the Arab countries on what to do with them. Never say never. Thinking outside the box is so much more creative than "two-state delusion.)
Love it! ‘Those damn Irish’…grandpa was British—he always said that and it’s a running joke in our family. No direct hatred here, however, the pro palestinianism is loud in dear Eirie.
Irishholocaust.org They are more oppressed than you can conceive of,and it certainly is not their fault that sexually perverted Nazis have taken control and resistance if quashed hardly.
That smal Island has absorbed 1.5 million "refugees" into their finest hotels at a cost of millions of pounds/euros while their own people sleep in the snow.
You are barking up the wrong tree.
Also check the Ireland -Israel alliance on YouTube for a more accurate picture of Ireland.
They have to pay for a license to even watch TV,and they are tfe original victims of the proto Deep State. Their heads are so twisted,they insist the scions of the British Elites who control the nation's are Irish for having been born there,and reject the Diaspora,for having fled for their lives,do their descendants were not born there and cannot thus be Irish,even though their genetic descent is often purer than the Anglophiles who stayed.
The bottom line is very simple,they have been programmed more brutally and for longer than any other people on Earth.
They are persuaded to see " Colonizing Fake Jews from Europe" in the role of England and the Fakestinians as their oppressed, indigenous selves.
Man,I wish they would bring back the edit button...and I hope the Trump DoJ brings the designer of auto correct to justice...
They’d rather burn families alive in Israel and shoot the family dogs than live well in another place. Gaza was beautiful in many parts before October 7. But the butcher of khan younis didn’t care and brighter neither did the vast majority of Gazans.
They’d rather burn families alive in Israel and shoot the family dogs than live well in another place. Gaza was beautiful in many parts before October 7. But the butcher of khan younis didn’t care and neither did the vast majority of Gazans.
Exactly. No one can negotiate with evil. They must be removed. Execute justice for Oct 7. The babies are still prisoners. Notice how Trump framed his robust plan.
You can always dream beautiful dreams but western leaders and politicians are corrupted with Muslim petroleum money and bribes 😢In reality it is difficult to transfer Gazan people to other countries. We have to understand that this is a religious war going on 🔥🔥🙌🙏They have proclaimed the global revolution, global intifada. Yisrael is fighting for USA and for western nations 🙌🙏🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🙌🙏Trump has no authority to take Gaza away from Israel, HASHEM ALMIGHTY has given Eretz Yisrael to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob (Israel ) Two and half Jewish tribes have their land share on the eastern side of Jordan River, that is very important 🔥🔥🔥The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Yisrael ( Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin is also in the Third Temple. Final peace comes when Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HASHEM 🙏🙌🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🙏🙌🙌🙏IT IS ALL ABOUT JERUSALEM AND MOUNT MORIAH 🙌🙏🇮🇱🔥❤️✡️❤️🔥🇮🇱🙌🙏
Trump has no intention to take anything from Israel.
Netanyahu is eager to do the deal,even gave Trump a Golden Pager to commemorate it!
I just love the subtitle of this post. Joshua Hoffman always cheers me up!
Indeed,that rarity of rarities,Click Bait that does not disappoint!
Great article!
This is a good summary of the three times that international leadership has walked away from their own state:
https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/clinton-arafat-and-a-century-of-rejection/
They don't want their own state. They never have. They want our state, with all the Jews gone.
They claim Gaza is an outdoor prison, but when offered to be freed from it, they will not leave.
Clinton told Arafat that if he didn't make peace there would come a point when options available back in 2000 would be foreclosed. That time has now arrived.
The Palestinians are deluded. Jordon doesn't want them. Egypt doesn't want them. Douglas Murray has some thoughts on where they might go:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFtqrGJNmFR/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Send the best tunnelers to the diamond mines of South Africa. A great employment opportunity.
This is ethnic cleansing; plain and simple. Disgusting Zionism! If the Americans go through with this they, along with anyone else involved, will be judged! Shame!
why is the right of Jewish self-determination in their ancestral homeland “disgusting” to you? do you see the right of self-determination of any other group of people as “disgusting”? I am not defending the idea of forcefully removing Gazans from Gaza, merely inquiring about your framing here. Do you think the best thing for Gazans is to remain in a state of perpetual victimhood, with no agency, no freedoms, in order to feed the needs of the world’s antisemites?
Palestinians also have the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland. What Trump is suggesting is in fact an ethnic cleansing that will be judged. Maybe if Israel didn’t keep the Palestinians in an open air prison for decades they would have created the society they deserve. Israel also has blood on its hands and will be judged. This is noticing to end well for anyone in the region. Boycott Israel!
Oh, I see. You drunk all of the Soviet-era kool-aid. How unfortunate. Maybe if the Palestinians had ever had leadership that promoted state-building and living in peace, the Israelis wouldn't have had to enact so many defensive measures. This is not a chicken/egg conundrum. The Jew-hatred existed long before any Muslim Arabs referred to themselves as "Palestinian." To make peace, one needs partners working towards that on all sides.
Also, I note that you did not actually respond to my question, but chose to filter your own lack of reading comprehension in order to continue to broadcast your double standards and racism of low expectations. Sigh.
It's more 'terrorist' cleansing, if you paid attention to the details. Bibi has stated clearly that all those who disavow terrorism will be allowed to return. This has NOTHING to do with their race or ethnicity. If all or most Gazans had been peace-loving with no intentions to harm or destroy their neighbours, there would have been NO conflict the past decades.
Netanyahu cannot be trusted, nor can Israel. The US and Israel are now pariah states to most of the world. A lot of people are boycotting everything American and Israeli, myself included. When I see US or Israeli products now I get a feeling of disgust. It was never this way just a year ago. But with Trump threatening allies and wanting to own Gaza I just can’t support either country anymore.
Are you seriously endorsing DONALD TRUMP as a "wise leader"? This is a man who is a habitual liar (this is a *fact*), who brags about grabbing women by the pussy, who routinely disregards laws and subverts elections, who openly threatens and endangers his political opponents, who threatens and alienates America's allies, who recommends injecting bleach as a treatment for covid... this list could literally go on for a thousand words and be incomplete. Now he wants to forcibly remove millions of deeply traumatized people from their home, against their will, and you're sanewashing this as some reasonably wise and generous plan? Give me a break. This is insane.
Exterminate? So you become the beast that my people fought in WW2? History does indeed repeat itself, just with different actors. FYI. I do not support Hamas, just the INNOCENT people of Palestine.