The Jews agreed to a Palestinian state in 1947. The Arabs didn't because that meant agreeing to a Jewish state in the Jews' indigenous homeland. And much of the West still punishes the Jews.
You’re not going to be successful in ethnically cleansing the West Bank and Gaza and it would be a moral monstrosity in any case. You need to come up with a solution so that you don’t end up with an Apartheid state.
I hate to rain on your parade, but if you seriously think the Israeli government or people are going to be even remotely influenced by the woke wet Western leaders, then you've been reading the wrong media. Israel has paid out unlimited rope and given repeated chances and endless patience to the Hamas / Fatah / Iranian / Hezbollah terrorists for decades and all it has got them is over 30,000 missile attacks into civilian areas, and uncounted stabbings, shootings and suicide bombings.
7 October was not so much the last straw as the confirmation that trying to negotiate with a scorpion is a waste of time.
So the scorpion is now, rightly, being stamped upon.
Israel has not been seriously committed to any peace process for 20 years. There has been relentless expansion of the settlements in Area C And unchecked vigilantism and settler violence. Israel is a pariah state like North Korea, is by far one of the least safe places for Jews to live, and is putting all of the rest of us in danger.
Sadly, the phenomenon of the self hating “kapo Jew” is not uncommon throughout Jewish history. Whether through profound ignorance or some deep seated psychological need (ie Stockholm Syndrome) such individuals turn their backs on their own people, land, culture and history. What they never understand until it is too late is that there is no great success in being on the last train to Auschwitz.
Yup. Israel is for sure responsible for a millennia of vicious persecution of Jews throughout Europe and the Middle East. Through time travel, ya know?
There have been many who have tried to annihilate us and they're all gone but we're still here. It will be the same with Hamas. I'm not at all worried.
Thats hilarious. Like all apologists for the Nazi like Palestinian National Movement which is entirely built on hate racism and murder you take its own description and apply it to its victim. Get lost clown.
The entire Palestinian National Movement is based on the murder of Jews and removal of Israel. It has been from the start. There is no Palestinian party that does not in some manner support this. Their desire to murder is relentless and endless and fully supported by their sick population which teaches children to hate and kill. One or two Israeli politicians who represent a small constituency is not even slightly comparable. But like all Nazi Jew haters, any sin by Israel no matter what becomes a final solution while relentless murder and attempted genocide is either ignored, justified or supported. Its over.
Hmm…. Please quote (from a legitimate source) where either of these individuals has expressed both the desire and intention to rape, pillage and slaughter their way through the entire Arab population.
In fact, early in the war an Arab Israeli soldier who was killed in Gaza was visited by Ben Gvir, and he called the grieving family “our brothers”.
Thank you for this, especially for detailing Kurdish history of the past century, which seems an apt but overlooked (obviously: no Jews - no news!) comparison to “Palestine”.
The Arabs (who currently call themselves Palestinians, a relatively new term) do not want to build their own country. What they want is to be installed as the leaders of the existing state of Israel. Building a nation is hard work that demands both competence and dedication. It’s much easier to be a radical revolutionary, by contrast, than it is to collect the garbage. That’s why substantially all of the surrounding countries are failed states in most respects. There is no real desire to put aside primitive tribalism and build a nation.
all this jibber jabber about Israel being an "Apartheid Ethnostate" but then to thunderous applause they create "Palestine" the very definition of an apartheid ethnostate. This insanity was not on my bingo card
Great piece. I am worried about the stupidity of the countries who recognized "Palestine". Hamas rolls off their chairs roaring with laughter. AM ISRAËL CHAI.
First class article. The concept of any possibility of a 2 State solution perished over twenty years ago. TTK knows this, but still feels impelled to chase the Muslim vote in the UK and to appease the Left Wing antisemitics within the UK Labour Party.
Excellent, accurate points. The elected leaders of UK, France, Canada, Spain, Portugal, and others live in a reality where large, wealthy countries can dictate the lives of the citizens of a small sovereign country of Jews and 20% Arabs. These leaders live a reality that values appeasement of Arab and Muslim interests in Europe and around the world. They live a reality that sees value in destroying the heritage of their citizens in exchange for growing their wealth and egos.
Their focus on appeasing one of many small militant groups of Arabs in an effort to appease billions of other Arabs and Muslims is an odd obsession. Their stated reason of fairness and peace is an odd obsession when it is well known that their actions lead to war and violence, not only against the Jews and Arabs in the Land of Israel, but against their own citizens in Europe.
Regardless of whether it is a form of dementia or greed, the current leaders of Australia, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, and others are bringing destruction down upon their countries and citizens.
About the "line" from 1948 - 67. If you look at it geographically, you could stand in Judea and Samaria and shoot down all of Israel. It would be suicide if you agreed to do that.
But otherwise I agree - and like you, i don't "understand" (morally) why the Kurds haven't got their own state yet. Is it Erdogan who is destroying their opportunities or?
Perhaps it is the right time for the JOMENA organization to formally submit to the relevant countries demands for reparations for the many billions in lands and property stolen from the 850,000 ethnically cleansed Mizrachi Jews.
The Israelis &/or Jews are no longer interested in a 2 state solution. The Arab speaking countries in the region should take in the Gazans and Arabs of Judea & Samaria as a good will gesture. The Gazans speak the same language and same cultural aspects. Why go to Europe, Canada or UK/Ireland. Not the same culture.
This Substack has turned into an echo chamber for right wing Zionist agitprop. How can an author seriously write this sentence: “If the Palestinians wish to have their own state, they need merely click their fingers, book a flight to the White House, and sign the relevant papers.” Basically all of the right wing is a priori opposed to a Palestinian state, vocally, and adamantly, and the rest of the piece contradicts it.
“His Majesty’s Government have thus been faced with an irreconcilable conflict of principles … For the Jews the essential point of principle is the creation of a sovereign Jewish State. For the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine”
Quote by British Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin in February 1947 in a speech to the British Parliament explaining why Britain can no longer carry out the mandate with which it was entrusted by the League of Nations and thus sending it back to the United Nation.
Note the date - February 1947: there is no Israel, no refugees, no occupation, no settlements, no blockade - none of the ‘understandable causes’ for Palestinian violence that even the UN Secretary General has fallen for.
And yet, already in February 1947 it is crystal clear why the conflict is already “irreconcilable”: as a matter of top priority, “the essential point of principle”, the Jews want a state whereas as a matter of top priority the Arabs of the land (later known as Palestinians) seek “to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty *in any part* of Palestine”.
That’s the conflict. The Jews want a state in even a part of the land. The Palestinians want the Jews not to have a state in any part of the land. That’s “Free Palestine”. That’s “From the River to the Sea”. It’s an idea that guarantees that generation after generation trained murderers will rise under different names: Fatah, DFLP, Hamas, Jihad, to “Liberate Palestine”.
If we are ever to have peace, this idea must change. Palestinians must develop a constructive vision of living next to a Jewish state rather than the century long destructive vision of living instead of it.”
Too late. We Israelis are no longer interested. Move to Jordan orr Egypt or Europe but Judea, Samaria and Gaza are now mine.
Perfectly stated!
You’re not going to be successful in ethnically cleansing the West Bank and Gaza and it would be a moral monstrosity in any case. You need to come up with a solution so that you don’t end up with an Apartheid state.
I hate to rain on your parade, but if you seriously think the Israeli government or people are going to be even remotely influenced by the woke wet Western leaders, then you've been reading the wrong media. Israel has paid out unlimited rope and given repeated chances and endless patience to the Hamas / Fatah / Iranian / Hezbollah terrorists for decades and all it has got them is over 30,000 missile attacks into civilian areas, and uncounted stabbings, shootings and suicide bombings.
7 October was not so much the last straw as the confirmation that trying to negotiate with a scorpion is a waste of time.
So the scorpion is now, rightly, being stamped upon.
Am Yisrael Chai
Israel has not been seriously committed to any peace process for 20 years. There has been relentless expansion of the settlements in Area C And unchecked vigilantism and settler violence. Israel is a pariah state like North Korea, is by far one of the least safe places for Jews to live, and is putting all of the rest of us in danger.
Bullshit Nazi. You've got some nerve.
Sadly, the phenomenon of the self hating “kapo Jew” is not uncommon throughout Jewish history. Whether through profound ignorance or some deep seated psychological need (ie Stockholm Syndrome) such individuals turn their backs on their own people, land, culture and history. What they never understand until it is too late is that there is no great success in being on the last train to Auschwitz.
Yup. Israel is for sure responsible for a millennia of vicious persecution of Jews throughout Europe and the Middle East. Through time travel, ya know?
There have been many who have tried to annihilate us and they're all gone but we're still here. It will be the same with Hamas. I'm not at all worried.
Thats hilarious. Like all apologists for the Nazi like Palestinian National Movement which is entirely built on hate racism and murder you take its own description and apply it to its victim. Get lost clown.
If you don’t think Smotrich and Ben Gvir are racist I don’t know what I could say to you to make you change your mind.
The entire Palestinian National Movement is based on the murder of Jews and removal of Israel. It has been from the start. There is no Palestinian party that does not in some manner support this. Their desire to murder is relentless and endless and fully supported by their sick population which teaches children to hate and kill. One or two Israeli politicians who represent a small constituency is not even slightly comparable. But like all Nazi Jew haters, any sin by Israel no matter what becomes a final solution while relentless murder and attempted genocide is either ignored, justified or supported. Its over.
Hmm…. Please quote (from a legitimate source) where either of these individuals has expressed both the desire and intention to rape, pillage and slaughter their way through the entire Arab population.
In fact, early in the war an Arab Israeli soldier who was killed in Gaza was visited by Ben Gvir, and he called the grieving family “our brothers”.
Thank you for this, especially for detailing Kurdish history of the past century, which seems an apt but overlooked (obviously: no Jews - no news!) comparison to “Palestine”.
The Arabs (who currently call themselves Palestinians, a relatively new term) do not want to build their own country. What they want is to be installed as the leaders of the existing state of Israel. Building a nation is hard work that demands both competence and dedication. It’s much easier to be a radical revolutionary, by contrast, than it is to collect the garbage. That’s why substantially all of the surrounding countries are failed states in most respects. There is no real desire to put aside primitive tribalism and build a nation.
all this jibber jabber about Israel being an "Apartheid Ethnostate" but then to thunderous applause they create "Palestine" the very definition of an apartheid ethnostate. This insanity was not on my bingo card
Great piece. I am worried about the stupidity of the countries who recognized "Palestine". Hamas rolls off their chairs roaring with laughter. AM ISRAËL CHAI.
First class article. The concept of any possibility of a 2 State solution perished over twenty years ago. TTK knows this, but still feels impelled to chase the Muslim vote in the UK and to appease the Left Wing antisemitics within the UK Labour Party.
Never has a "people" been LESS deserving of a state than the Palestinians. Yet never has the world been so obsessed with granting it.
Excellent, accurate points. The elected leaders of UK, France, Canada, Spain, Portugal, and others live in a reality where large, wealthy countries can dictate the lives of the citizens of a small sovereign country of Jews and 20% Arabs. These leaders live a reality that values appeasement of Arab and Muslim interests in Europe and around the world. They live a reality that sees value in destroying the heritage of their citizens in exchange for growing their wealth and egos.
Their focus on appeasing one of many small militant groups of Arabs in an effort to appease billions of other Arabs and Muslims is an odd obsession. Their stated reason of fairness and peace is an odd obsession when it is well known that their actions lead to war and violence, not only against the Jews and Arabs in the Land of Israel, but against their own citizens in Europe.
Regardless of whether it is a form of dementia or greed, the current leaders of Australia, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, and others are bringing destruction down upon their countries and citizens.
About the "line" from 1948 - 67. If you look at it geographically, you could stand in Judea and Samaria and shoot down all of Israel. It would be suicide if you agreed to do that.
But otherwise I agree - and like you, i don't "understand" (morally) why the Kurds haven't got their own state yet. Is it Erdogan who is destroying their opportunities or?
I don't and never will recognize "palestine".
Perhaps it is the right time for the JOMENA organization to formally submit to the relevant countries demands for reparations for the many billions in lands and property stolen from the 850,000 ethnically cleansed Mizrachi Jews.
The Israelis &/or Jews are no longer interested in a 2 state solution. The Arab speaking countries in the region should take in the Gazans and Arabs of Judea & Samaria as a good will gesture. The Gazans speak the same language and same cultural aspects. Why go to Europe, Canada or UK/Ireland. Not the same culture.
better welfare to mooch off of.
This Substack has turned into an echo chamber for right wing Zionist agitprop. How can an author seriously write this sentence: “If the Palestinians wish to have their own state, they need merely click their fingers, book a flight to the White House, and sign the relevant papers.” Basically all of the right wing is a priori opposed to a Palestinian state, vocally, and adamantly, and the rest of the piece contradicts it.
Einat Wilf:
“His Majesty’s Government have thus been faced with an irreconcilable conflict of principles … For the Jews the essential point of principle is the creation of a sovereign Jewish State. For the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine”
Quote by British Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin in February 1947 in a speech to the British Parliament explaining why Britain can no longer carry out the mandate with which it was entrusted by the League of Nations and thus sending it back to the United Nation.
Note the date - February 1947: there is no Israel, no refugees, no occupation, no settlements, no blockade - none of the ‘understandable causes’ for Palestinian violence that even the UN Secretary General has fallen for.
And yet, already in February 1947 it is crystal clear why the conflict is already “irreconcilable”: as a matter of top priority, “the essential point of principle”, the Jews want a state whereas as a matter of top priority the Arabs of the land (later known as Palestinians) seek “to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty *in any part* of Palestine”.
That’s the conflict. The Jews want a state in even a part of the land. The Palestinians want the Jews not to have a state in any part of the land. That’s “Free Palestine”. That’s “From the River to the Sea”. It’s an idea that guarantees that generation after generation trained murderers will rise under different names: Fatah, DFLP, Hamas, Jihad, to “Liberate Palestine”.
If we are ever to have peace, this idea must change. Palestinians must develop a constructive vision of living next to a Jewish state rather than the century long destructive vision of living instead of it.”