Citizens should be encouraged to remember the purpose of free speech, namely the improvement of public policy and the flourishing of every human being.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing about this! These vile marches are a stain on British society. They are offensive, wicked, distruptive and downright hateful! London is shut down on a Saturday. People can’t go about their business. However, for Jewish people, they are horrendous and intimidating in the extreme. Why, why, are they allowed to continue?? Weak, weak, weak Government! They will reap what they sow!
The problem is not the freedom of assembly or the freedom of expression. The problem is the abuse of these freedoms. Freedom of assembly does not mean the right to harass and menace others. It does not mean the right to shut down the streets. These are crimes. In the United States which has a more expensive view of these freedoms than anywhere on earth, the framers of the 1st Amendment never saw the right to assemble as a right to shut down the streets in unruly public demonstrations. They saw it as the right to hold meetings and gatherings for political purposes (or otherwise). Allowing street rabble to abuse the right smacks of late period Weimar. And it's how liberal societies die.
Not only is it a complete waste of time to say these marches should stop, but because of the collective personality disorder of the marchers, this will only encourage them.
More to the point: how much have these marches cost un terms of police hours and money???
interesting distinction between marches and demonstrations- but I cannot shake the feeling that we are talking to the like-minded - are we reaching beyond?
"Offence and insult should be permitted, but intention is important. As a matter of convention, it should be avoided if its purpose is purely gratuitous."
There is no such thing as absolute right to free speech. Offence and insult should be permitted? Libel should be permitted? False advertizing? Incitemnt to riot? Counselling to commit a crime? Sedition? Treason?
Societies function because their members engage in civil discourse. Calling for the extermination of a people is not civil discourse. Setting one group in society against another does not promote social harmony. Britain should have learned from The Troubles.
Excellent points! It's funny, these types with their lies and harassment even show up in my notes on here (Substack) and my Facebook feed. They surely are not looking for a civil debate, but to intimidate. Why always the fists with the Fakestinian flag? Not a peace sign, not a heart. All I can say is, I used to be for peace and a two state solution, but now alll I can say is F*** THAT. Israel's borders need to expand.
Let's start at the very beginning: These marchers are not "pro-Palestinians". Most of them are paid by Hamas, or other terrorists, and they are ignorant of the horror that their "palestinians" have under living since Hamas took over. These protestors are just plain, ordinary, hateful, antisemites, and not very smart ones at that. Freedom of speech does not include calling for the death of others, or spouting lies. Those people marching are using any excuse to get away for their own responsibilities of working,taking care of their families. They act like spoiled children and should be removed from the streets, sent home, or if they are not Canadians, dropped at the airport with a one way ticket to Gaza!
The utter hypocrisy on display here is stunning to me. Quoting Douglas Murray, who constantly spews the most bigoted shit ever only to appeal to free speech, and then use him as an example for why free speech must be limited is utterly absurd.
The same people who claim to be free speech absolutists turn on a dime when their favorite genocidal apartheid state comes in for any criticism.
What is also disturbing: I've seen videos of bobbies harassing Jewish counter-protesters for "provoking" the Jew-hating keffiyeh crowd. Usually, the Jew is doing nothing more than just standing there, possibly holding an Israeli flag. It give the impression that British police have been "dhimmitized."
They’re not going to stop until in leftist controlled shitholes where anyone confronting them will get arrested by the Alvin Braggs.
They aren’t doing this in red “stand your ground “ locations because these filthy cowards know their asses could be shot dead for assaulting or threatening people.
“The reason is clear: They are not pro-peace. They are not even pro-Palestine. They are anti-Israel.”
‘They’ are certainly that, indeed…
But, whether the myriad participants (the bulk of whom are ‘useful idiots’), realize it or not (and I believe a surprising number do), they are ultimately serving the interests of that great enemy of G-d, mankind in general, and Israel in particular, Lucifer - aka, ‘Satan’…
The reason is quite simple, for those that recognize the Bible as the Word of G-d, and interpret it correctly - admittedly, a major challenge amidst all the clamor associated with claims and counter-claims. The reason is because Satan seeks to avoid his prophesied doom, which is inextricably linked to the Chosen People being back in the Land, as a unified (undivided) nation, particularly in possession of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.
Tragically, countless people are either blind to, ignorant of, or reject, the truths expressed in the Bible. So they run to this or that hoped-for ‘solution’, which will never address the core spiritual issue. But my, how impressively persistent fallen human nature can be, and how deadly its key element; pride…
Obadiah 1:3-4
“3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, you who dwell in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; you who say in your heart, ‘Who will bring me down to the ground?’
4 Though you ascend as high as the eagle, and though you set your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down,” says the LORD.”
Proverbs 3:5-8
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths.
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and depart from evil. 8 It will be health to your flesh, and strength to your bones.
Deuteronomy 30:19-20
19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the LORD your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”
Proverbs 16:5-7
5 Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; though they join forces, none will go unpunished.
6 In mercy and truth atonement is provided for iniquity; and by the fear of the LORD one departs from evil.
7 When a man’s ways please the LORD,
He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
Matityahu 5:17-20
(Yeshua Fulfills the Law)
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”
Johanan 14:6
Yeshua said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
May Adonai continue to bless and keep all Israel, grant her leaders in every realm of life wisdom, steadfast courage, and the strength of mighty Lions. May He preserve His Chosen People, give them victory in battle over their enemies, turn their hearts toward Him as their only hope for salvation, rescue them in the time of need, and bring them through the fires of testing, refined as fine gold, that all the promises made to the Fathers might be fulfilled, to the smallest detail. Amen
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing about this! These vile marches are a stain on British society. They are offensive, wicked, distruptive and downright hateful! London is shut down on a Saturday. People can’t go about their business. However, for Jewish people, they are horrendous and intimidating in the extreme. Why, why, are they allowed to continue?? Weak, weak, weak Government! They will reap what they sow!
My pleasure Susan.
The utter horror of having to hear any criticism while the government uses tax money to fund genocide. Truly horrific and traumatic.
The genocide lie will be fought. Your belief in this lie is pathetic. Your spreading of this lie is unforgivable.
The problem is not the freedom of assembly or the freedom of expression. The problem is the abuse of these freedoms. Freedom of assembly does not mean the right to harass and menace others. It does not mean the right to shut down the streets. These are crimes. In the United States which has a more expensive view of these freedoms than anywhere on earth, the framers of the 1st Amendment never saw the right to assemble as a right to shut down the streets in unruly public demonstrations. They saw it as the right to hold meetings and gatherings for political purposes (or otherwise). Allowing street rabble to abuse the right smacks of late period Weimar. And it's how liberal societies die.
"The reason is clear: They are not pro-peace. They are not even pro-Palestine. They are anti-Israel".
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I would go further and say they are marches advocating for Jewish genocide.
Not only is it a complete waste of time to say these marches should stop, but because of the collective personality disorder of the marchers, this will only encourage them.
More to the point: how much have these marches cost un terms of police hours and money???
These "marchers" are likely being paid by someone.
interesting distinction between marches and demonstrations- but I cannot shake the feeling that we are talking to the like-minded - are we reaching beyond?
Unfortunately social media platforms limit national conversation.
Yes, how do we break out of this restriction?
Well on Guerre and Shalom I posted on this very matter here:https://open.substack.com/pub/danielclarkeserret/p/facebook-must-fall?r=2bk821&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
"Offence and insult should be permitted, but intention is important. As a matter of convention, it should be avoided if its purpose is purely gratuitous."
There is no such thing as absolute right to free speech. Offence and insult should be permitted? Libel should be permitted? False advertizing? Incitemnt to riot? Counselling to commit a crime? Sedition? Treason?
Societies function because their members engage in civil discourse. Calling for the extermination of a people is not civil discourse. Setting one group in society against another does not promote social harmony. Britain should have learned from The Troubles.
Spot on. Now send this to the main stream British media!
Excellent points! It's funny, these types with their lies and harassment even show up in my notes on here (Substack) and my Facebook feed. They surely are not looking for a civil debate, but to intimidate. Why always the fists with the Fakestinian flag? Not a peace sign, not a heart. All I can say is, I used to be for peace and a two state solution, but now alll I can say is F*** THAT. Israel's borders need to expand.
Let's start at the very beginning: These marchers are not "pro-Palestinians". Most of them are paid by Hamas, or other terrorists, and they are ignorant of the horror that their "palestinians" have under living since Hamas took over. These protestors are just plain, ordinary, hateful, antisemites, and not very smart ones at that. Freedom of speech does not include calling for the death of others, or spouting lies. Those people marching are using any excuse to get away for their own responsibilities of working,taking care of their families. They act like spoiled children and should be removed from the streets, sent home, or if they are not Canadians, dropped at the airport with a one way ticket to Gaza!
Globalize anti-Islamism.
It’s not Islamaphobia—it’s Islam awareness.
It will never happen? Why not? Because those leading the police hate Israel every bit as much as the marchers.
The utter hypocrisy on display here is stunning to me. Quoting Douglas Murray, who constantly spews the most bigoted shit ever only to appeal to free speech, and then use him as an example for why free speech must be limited is utterly absurd.
The same people who claim to be free speech absolutists turn on a dime when their favorite genocidal apartheid state comes in for any criticism.
Amen brother! Any fool can see that the "Philistine" marches are about Islamist ideology and jew hate.
Both of these things Western Civilization needs to CRUSH!.... crush without sympathy or afterthought. They are evil poisin, period.
God bless the West... love it or leave it!!
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What is also disturbing: I've seen videos of bobbies harassing Jewish counter-protesters for "provoking" the Jew-hating keffiyeh crowd. Usually, the Jew is doing nothing more than just standing there, possibly holding an Israeli flag. It give the impression that British police have been "dhimmitized."
They’re not going to stop until in leftist controlled shitholes where anyone confronting them will get arrested by the Alvin Braggs.
They aren’t doing this in red “stand your ground “ locations because these filthy cowards know their asses could be shot dead for assaulting or threatening people.
“The reason is clear: They are not pro-peace. They are not even pro-Palestine. They are anti-Israel.”
‘They’ are certainly that, indeed…
But, whether the myriad participants (the bulk of whom are ‘useful idiots’), realize it or not (and I believe a surprising number do), they are ultimately serving the interests of that great enemy of G-d, mankind in general, and Israel in particular, Lucifer - aka, ‘Satan’…
The reason is quite simple, for those that recognize the Bible as the Word of G-d, and interpret it correctly - admittedly, a major challenge amidst all the clamor associated with claims and counter-claims. The reason is because Satan seeks to avoid his prophesied doom, which is inextricably linked to the Chosen People being back in the Land, as a unified (undivided) nation, particularly in possession of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.
Tragically, countless people are either blind to, ignorant of, or reject, the truths expressed in the Bible. So they run to this or that hoped-for ‘solution’, which will never address the core spiritual issue. But my, how impressively persistent fallen human nature can be, and how deadly its key element; pride…
Obadiah 1:3-4
“3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, you who dwell in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; you who say in your heart, ‘Who will bring me down to the ground?’
4 Though you ascend as high as the eagle, and though you set your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down,” says the LORD.”
Proverbs 3:5-8
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths.
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and depart from evil. 8 It will be health to your flesh, and strength to your bones.
Deuteronomy 30:19-20
19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the LORD your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”
Proverbs 16:5-7
5 Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; though they join forces, none will go unpunished.
6 In mercy and truth atonement is provided for iniquity; and by the fear of the LORD one departs from evil.
7 When a man’s ways please the LORD,
He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
Matityahu 5:17-20
(Yeshua Fulfills the Law)
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”
Johanan 14:6
Yeshua said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
May Adonai continue to bless and keep all Israel, grant her leaders in every realm of life wisdom, steadfast courage, and the strength of mighty Lions. May He preserve His Chosen People, give them victory in battle over their enemies, turn their hearts toward Him as their only hope for salvation, rescue them in the time of need, and bring them through the fires of testing, refined as fine gold, that all the promises made to the Fathers might be fulfilled, to the smallest detail. Amen