Citizens should be encouraged to remember the purpose of free speech, namely the improvement of public policy and the flourishing of every human being.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing about this! These vile marches are a stain on British society. They are offensive, wicked, distruptive and downright hateful! London is shut down on a Saturday. People can’t go about their business. However, for Jewish people, they are horrendous and intimidating in the extreme. Why, why, are they allowed to continue?? Weak, weak, weak Government! They will reap what they sow!
The problem is not the freedom of assembly or the freedom of expression. The problem is the abuse of these freedoms. Freedom of assembly does not mean the right to harass and menace others. It does not mean the right to shut down the streets. These are crimes. In the United States which has a more expensive view of these freedoms than anywhere on earth, the framers of the 1st Amendment never saw the right to assemble as a right to shut down the streets in unruly public demonstrations. They saw it as the right to hold meetings and gatherings for political purposes (or otherwise). Allowing street rabble to abuse the right smacks of late period Weimar. And it's how liberal societies die.
Not only is it a complete waste of time to say these marches should stop, but because of the collective personality disorder of the marchers, this will only encourage them.
More to the point: how much have these marches cost un terms of police hours and money???
interesting distinction between marches and demonstrations- but I cannot shake the feeling that we are talking to the like-minded - are we reaching beyond?
"Offence and insult should be permitted, but intention is important. As a matter of convention, it should be avoided if its purpose is purely gratuitous."
There is no such thing as absolute right to free speech. Offence and insult should be permitted? Libel should be permitted? False advertizing? Incitemnt to riot? Counselling to commit a crime? Sedition? Treason?
Societies function because their members engage in civil discourse. Calling for the extermination of a people is not civil discourse. Setting one group in society against another does not promote social harmony. Britain should have learned from The Troubles.
Please lets stop calling their marches Pro palestinian ...... they are Pro Hamas marches. To use the example you did with Doug Murray ... if you truly are marching for Pro Palestine and you saw people chanting River to the Sea or praising Oct 7th, would you march with them? And if you do, then you are supporting them. Terminology is important, our enemy is a master of it, so let please from here on in, call them pro Hamas demosnstrations.
As far as ending these so called Demonstrations ..... its as simple as banning face coverings when you demonstrate. This should be enforced and legitimized as a means to end the violence. Why are our large Jewish organizations not uniting and making this a priority project is just another example of why they generally disgust me. One of many many reasons i might add.
all the best Daniel and please stop using such big words. LOL
Excellent points! It's funny, these types with their lies and harassment even show up in my notes on here (Substack) and my Facebook feed. They surely are not looking for a civil debate, but to intimidate. Why always the fists with the Fakestinian flag? Not a peace sign, not a heart. All I can say is, I used to be for peace and a two state solution, but now alll I can say is F*** THAT. Israel's borders need to expand.
Let's start at the very beginning: These marchers are not "pro-Palestinians". Most of them are paid by Hamas, or other terrorists, and they are ignorant of the horror that their "palestinians" have under living since Hamas took over. These protestors are just plain, ordinary, hateful, antisemites, and not very smart ones at that. Freedom of speech does not include calling for the death of others, or spouting lies. Those people marching are using any excuse to get away for their own responsibilities of working,taking care of their families. They act like spoiled children and should be removed from the streets, sent home, or if they are not Canadians, dropped at the airport with a one way ticket to Gaza!
The utter hypocrisy on display here is stunning to me. Quoting Douglas Murray, who constantly spews the most bigoted shit ever only to appeal to free speech, and then use him as an example for why free speech must be limited is utterly absurd.
The same people who claim to be free speech absolutists turn on a dime when their favorite genocidal apartheid state comes in for any criticism.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing about this! These vile marches are a stain on British society. They are offensive, wicked, distruptive and downright hateful! London is shut down on a Saturday. People can’t go about their business. However, for Jewish people, they are horrendous and intimidating in the extreme. Why, why, are they allowed to continue?? Weak, weak, weak Government! They will reap what they sow!
My pleasure Susan.
The utter horror of having to hear any criticism while the government uses tax money to fund genocide. Truly horrific and traumatic.
The genocide lie will be fought. Your belief in this lie is pathetic. Your spreading of this lie is unforgivable.
The problem is not the freedom of assembly or the freedom of expression. The problem is the abuse of these freedoms. Freedom of assembly does not mean the right to harass and menace others. It does not mean the right to shut down the streets. These are crimes. In the United States which has a more expensive view of these freedoms than anywhere on earth, the framers of the 1st Amendment never saw the right to assemble as a right to shut down the streets in unruly public demonstrations. They saw it as the right to hold meetings and gatherings for political purposes (or otherwise). Allowing street rabble to abuse the right smacks of late period Weimar. And it's how liberal societies die.
I could not agree more. We must enforce the law of a free democracy.
As I wrote last year and earlier this year:
Attention USA & Other Democracies: Free Speech Is Not Free. (Nov 2023)
https://thetruthfulproject.blogspot.com/2023/11/attention-usa-other-democracies-free.html
Hate Speech is not Free Speech
https://thetruthfulproject.blogspot.com/2024/03/hate-speech-is-not-free-speech.html (May 2024)
"The reason is clear: They are not pro-peace. They are not even pro-Palestine. They are anti-Israel".
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I would go further and say they are marches advocating for Jewish genocide.
Not only is it a complete waste of time to say these marches should stop, but because of the collective personality disorder of the marchers, this will only encourage them.
More to the point: how much have these marches cost un terms of police hours and money???
These "marchers" are likely being paid by someone.
interesting distinction between marches and demonstrations- but I cannot shake the feeling that we are talking to the like-minded - are we reaching beyond?
Unfortunately social media platforms limit national conversation.
Yes, how do we break out of this restriction?
Well on Guerre and Shalom I posted on this very matter here:https://open.substack.com/pub/danielclarkeserret/p/facebook-must-fall?r=2bk821&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
"Offence and insult should be permitted, but intention is important. As a matter of convention, it should be avoided if its purpose is purely gratuitous."
There is no such thing as absolute right to free speech. Offence and insult should be permitted? Libel should be permitted? False advertizing? Incitemnt to riot? Counselling to commit a crime? Sedition? Treason?
Societies function because their members engage in civil discourse. Calling for the extermination of a people is not civil discourse. Setting one group in society against another does not promote social harmony. Britain should have learned from The Troubles.
Spot on. Now send this to the main stream British media!
Please lets stop calling their marches Pro palestinian ...... they are Pro Hamas marches. To use the example you did with Doug Murray ... if you truly are marching for Pro Palestine and you saw people chanting River to the Sea or praising Oct 7th, would you march with them? And if you do, then you are supporting them. Terminology is important, our enemy is a master of it, so let please from here on in, call them pro Hamas demosnstrations.
As far as ending these so called Demonstrations ..... its as simple as banning face coverings when you demonstrate. This should be enforced and legitimized as a means to end the violence. Why are our large Jewish organizations not uniting and making this a priority project is just another example of why they generally disgust me. One of many many reasons i might add.
all the best Daniel and please stop using such big words. LOL
papa j
Perfect! ‘They are not pro-Palestine. Merely anti-Israel.’
Which would still qualify as free speech.
Excellent points! It's funny, these types with their lies and harassment even show up in my notes on here (Substack) and my Facebook feed. They surely are not looking for a civil debate, but to intimidate. Why always the fists with the Fakestinian flag? Not a peace sign, not a heart. All I can say is, I used to be for peace and a two state solution, but now alll I can say is F*** THAT. Israel's borders need to expand.
Let's start at the very beginning: These marchers are not "pro-Palestinians". Most of them are paid by Hamas, or other terrorists, and they are ignorant of the horror that their "palestinians" have under living since Hamas took over. These protestors are just plain, ordinary, hateful, antisemites, and not very smart ones at that. Freedom of speech does not include calling for the death of others, or spouting lies. Those people marching are using any excuse to get away for their own responsibilities of working,taking care of their families. They act like spoiled children and should be removed from the streets, sent home, or if they are not Canadians, dropped at the airport with a one way ticket to Gaza!
Globalize anti-Islamism.
It’s not Islamaphobia—it’s Islam awareness.
It will never happen? Why not? Because those leading the police hate Israel every bit as much as the marchers.
The utter hypocrisy on display here is stunning to me. Quoting Douglas Murray, who constantly spews the most bigoted shit ever only to appeal to free speech, and then use him as an example for why free speech must be limited is utterly absurd.
The same people who claim to be free speech absolutists turn on a dime when their favorite genocidal apartheid state comes in for any criticism.
Amen brother! Any fool can see that the "Philistine" marches are about Islamist ideology and jew hate.
Both of these things Western Civilization needs to CRUSH!.... crush without sympathy or afterthought. They are evil poisin, period.
God bless the West... love it or leave it!!
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