This explains so much, especially all the western imperialism nonsense (it was never a significant factor in the Middle East; the period between the two world wars notwithstanding). This should be widely disseminated throughout Leftistan, assuming they’re even open to seeing how they’ve been duped.
PS - my admiration for Israel in the face of such overwhelming odds cannot be overstated.
I'm not Jewish but my wife is and her entire family are loyal Dems who voted for Kamala, so I will try to answer your question.
Jewish liberal Dems are people who have mostly very safe and prosperous lives (that they don't want to risk) and consider Trump/MAGA much more of an enemy than they do Hamas or their American supporters. Their tribal loyalty is to American liberalism and the Dem Party, more than it is to Israel or Judaism (as they are often mostly secular).
And inside this tribe/group/demographic, they get to avoid sticking up for Israel by either denouncing Netanyahu (their handy scapegoat) or appealing to "Palestinian babies", which are the UNICEF children of our time. (The Palestinians might be terrible at governing and at being civilized, but they are masters of propaganda and turning their children into "martyrs" to emotionally manipulate Western liberals and their need for conspicuous compassion has been a great coup that is hard to defend against.)
I guess my point is that most people tend to go along with their chosen social cohort and right now for liberals Trump is viewed as the greatest threat of all, and being "pro-Palestinian" is a trendy belief that displays your virtue, whereas Israel is painted as the big bad oppressor all good liberals (even Jews) should oppose.
Jew here and extremely anti-"Palestinian" and pro-Israel. I voted for Kamala, not at all because I liked her or consider myself a die-hard Democrat, but because I consider Trump to be a threat to our Enlightenment values (I'd vote for a normal Republican in a flash). At times Trump seems to support Israel, but he is a very damaged puppy with no principles and will turn on Israel if he thinks it is in his best interests.
I can only speak for myself, but: I voted for Harris because I am not a single-issue voter, and on every other issue the Democratic position is far closer to my own than the Republican position. In addition, I do not find the Republican's support for Israel or the Jewish people as trustworthy, just a currently useful tool to continue their attacks on our democracy, constitution, and civil rights. There remain many Democrats who are not anti-Israel and antisemitic, though few are doing the work of speaking out.
What issues are close to you the democrats support? What support does the democrat party provide for the Jewish community in America? How do you feel about leftists and illegal aliens harassing Jewish kids on college campuses? Do jews get attacked or harassed in conservative towns?
Well, I was going to reply to your questions, but now that I see how you responded to a completely accurate comment that right wing antisemitism also exists in the US, I’m not sure it’s worth my effort. Here goes anyway: the Democrats have (by and large) remained committed to the “liberal consensus,” that government exists to uphold civil rights, provide a basic social safety net, regulate industry and business, and promote infrastructure. They also maintain a commitment to reproductive rights, separation of church and state, a willingness no explore common sense gun reforms, and try to maintain integrity among their elected officials.
I personally am unaware of how either party is “providing for the Jewish community.” I am deeply troubled by the mobs of college kids & their “supporters” harassing Jewish students. I think if these universities had done their jobs and given appropriate consequences to these “protesters” immediately, we may not be in the situation we are in. I am also personally unaware of whether or not Jews get harassed in “conservative towns,” as I have never lived in nor spent any amount of time in one.
The current administration is stopping the harassment of Jews on college campuses. How are you not aware of this? The Democrat party is throwing a fit and trying to make the current administration look evil for stopping this. They passed legislation to deport those harassing Jews here on visas. They are halting federal funding to college that won’t stop the harassment. Something tells me you actually know this but you don’t want to admit. You seem like a prideful leftist with a lot of hate in your heart. You should reconsider choosing to learn and grow as a human and listen to what the other side says and the action they take. I can tell what you know about conservatives you hear through the propaganda on your tv.
I am aware of it, and I support deporting those who are terrorist supporters, as long as they receive due process. The actions of the Trump admin weren’t raised in our conversation until you just brought them up. I think if the universities had done their jobs, Trump may not have won. I haven’t said a single thing that could be construed as hateful. I have tried to openly and honestly answer your questions, even though, as noted above, you have been quite rude and aggressive towards the other commenter.
I will say what I want to liars. That account spewed a bunch of fake shit and made up stories. Propaganda is evil and I don’t tolerate that shit anymore.
Right wingers are harassing Jewish kids on college campuses? Right wingers are marching in the streets of large cities in the us protesting against Jews? Or do you mean a bunch of fake accounts online of people you don’t see in real life? Because online is so real
Obviously the right-wingers aren't on college campuses harassing Jews (no insult intended). They have their own where and when of doing the same, hence my reference to "Jews will not replace us" - North Carolina I think it was, tiki torches, . . . And they have a long history of the same. As far as I know this obnoxious woke garbage is fairly new. I don't know anything about fake accounts online regarding anti-semitism. But I grew up in the states and we all know there are American Nazis, white supremacists, etc. I'm not at all excusing the crazy leftists. You can relax.
Horrendously fascinating! The Russians are still threatening the world. It is miraculous that you have overcome these evils! I admire you so much and you will continue to beat them.
I have talked to a disturbing number of people who believe (somehow simultaneously) that Hamas isn’t evil and is justified in their actions, and that if they ARE evil, it’s cause Israel created Hamas in the first place. They created Hamas because they knew they’d use their own ppl as human shields, so Hamas would do Israel’s work for them, and everything Palestinians do that’s bad is Israel’s fault.
I often come to this page to remind myself that everyone isn’t stupid or malicious but it’s so frustrating. They’re absolutely everywhere now. There is a global conspiracy to kill the Jewish ppl are for Islamists to make a Caliphate, but that can’t be uttered even though it’s so obvious. Look at Harvard’s graduation ceremony…the French Jewish bakery. I don’t think ppl will learn how stupid they’ve been til it’s too late, and even then, as the bombs drop, they’ll probably be thinking “the Jews must have paid for these weapons.”
To add a note, every race and religion has it's 'bad actors '. There are some Jewish people that are greedy and controlling, but the majority of us are everyday people, with real life problems. We are being judged by the greed of the few, versus the kindness of the majority, who are just wanting a peaceful coexistence with others, many of different faiths
It would help, if speaking against Israel (of course, Islam is a threat for everyone) and asking questions about WW2 were not punishable with prison terms.
Biological imperative to be Superior is still very prevalent. Abraham, ~3700 years ago started the moral concept of one Creator and the Sanctity of Human Life. In evolution, this is a very recent concept, accelerated by modern industry and creativity. There is enough food production for everyone, so competition and conquest is no longer beneficial. Modern armaments only leave vast destruction, only Ego is obtained. The Sanctity and Dignity of all Human Life has to be stated frequently and loudly, to counteract war and violence.
Abraham didn’t start the moral concept of one god. God spoke to him and declared Himself. I really don’t understand how Jews who were given the Torah, with whom God made an everlasting covenant, who has watched over them for all these hundreds of years and brought them back to their land, cant see or understand that there is God and that He chose them for His purposes and that this is the reason why the world, as in those who hate God, are out to destroy them. Nor do I understand how they can’t see the hand of God through all their history. By all accounts they should have disappeared alongside all those other tribes that lived before the modern era, but they still exist. A tiny minority and that is in itself an absolute miracle
Despite everything, all the hatred, the holocausts, pogroms, diaspora, you still exist because there is a God
I'm a proud Jew, but an atheist. This is eminently possible. I am very proud of the Jewish concept of one god, which inherently contains the idea of the equality of humanity, and the sanctity of human life, as Martin explains.
Andrew, thank you for the history. While I knew that the Soviets (Russians) were far from Jew friendly I had no idea how deep their anti-Semitism/anti-Zionist hatred runs. Russia did have a relatively large Jewish population (which I believe thinned out around 1917). I also did not realize that the "Protocols" were so widely disseminated and used as 'proof' of the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. I have seen numerous references to that propaganda pamphlet in Substack and elsewhere. It is cited as the truth often. Thank you for increasing my knowledge of the rather recent increase in anti-Jew, anti-Zionism hate. It is essential in war to know your enemy.
I am left with the conclusion that the image of the scheming, conniving, cowardly, betraying Jew is so entrenched in world culture....that if Israel didn't exist, if even Zionism didn't exist, antisemitism would be as powerful a religion as it is today. The reaction of both some Jews and Gentiles to the hamas massacre to turn their disgust, ire, disapproval, rejection, negation on Jews...the Israeli state is a symptom of the conspiratorial nature of the Jews as perceived by antisemites. It is essential and foundational to the far left as it is to the far right. Why can't we be more humanitarian. Why didn't we fight nazi Germany persecutors during WWII, why are we so crude and boorish, why are we so exclusivist and supremacist. Why are we indifferent to the suffering of the poor innocent people of Gaza while continuing our obsession with the Holocaust and the primacy of alleged Jewish suffering. Why did the Zionists form an alliance with nazi Germany? Why did white Europeans imagine they could subdue and finally eliminate an ancient and proud people the Palestinians? Why do we even have Holocaust ceremonies after more than 70 years of "nakba" and the ongoing genocide. The only genocide in history in which the numbers of people increase at a high rate. Why did white Europeans frighten brown Arab Jews into abandoning their fellow Arab countrymen? why is Israeli society based on racist exclusion including subjugating the Arab Jew? Why is it using Jewish black people as canon fodder to subjugate Palestine. Why are we appropriating their culture. We have none as authentic. I could go on. Here is Columbia harvard and Berekely Mid East and Jewish studies today. Yes Harvard resist Trump! Power to the people. Hey hey ho ho Trump and Vance have got to go. Day of rage for M Khalil a justice activist persecuted by Zionism. Bring back M13 social service workers.
The article does a good job explaining that the "Palestinian" cause was invented by the Soviets. There is no such "ancient and proud people." Arab Israelis serve on the Supreme Court, and when surveyed would not prefer to live in an Arab country. Appropriating their culture? What culture? Sharia law, nice scarves, hating Jews, strapping bombs to their own children? It's pathetic. There was never an alliance between Zionists and Nazis.
Who is your audience for this essay? Good luck reaching them whoever they may be. In the meantime some who are not likely to be persuaded by such an informed academic approach may see in Paragraph #12 "directly inspired them to launch their" and may view 'them' as us the Jews rather than 'them' as the Nazis. Using 'Nazis' instead of 'them' at that point in the text would prevent that paragraph from being misused. Many valuable essays about related important topics regularly make similar 'errors' at crucial points in the text. I've counted a few single sentences as part of the 12 first paragraphs.
The theory is an interpretation of the Tanakh, in which the promises made to the people (the Jews) have been given wild conclusions about the ways in which the Jews would achieve their goal. This is what happens when writings are interpreted by people who do not fully understand the historical context in which the writings were born.
In the recesses of my memory, there is one theory that I once read about the origin of that.
According to it, the book that originated in Russia is a collection of interpretations within the clergy of the French, German and Russian churches, and consists of several sermons that were based on assumptions. The consequence of assumptions is as innocent as the isolation of the Jews. In their work, the Jews succeeded and have always succeeded for the safety of the community by being loyal like Daniel in the writings. But this is how the scriptures teach about life in a foreign country.
It is a completely different matter whether a pagan believes in the holy scriptures or not, understands them or not, yet the vast majority, who do not even want to read or understand, are inclined to go along when there is a sufficiently large number of people behind the so-called declaration of truth. The Protocol was created on the basis of a Christian interpretation, which has acquired a new political meaning in Russia. One loop in anti-Semitism.
Are we safe from a policy like the protocol, WE ARE NOT!
Turkey's relationship with the Kurds, and images such as the Serbs, China, Russia, and the images created by the USA, or rather Trump, of the Latin American peoples and the insinuations accusing Europe of how we take advantage of them, wrestle with the table books in that same series.
Has already been told this in advance, this should not be a surprise.
Peoples rise against each other and states against state. Strange in itself, when that was written, there was not yet a similar understanding of states as there is now. There was no Mexico, much less the USA.
This explains so much, especially all the western imperialism nonsense (it was never a significant factor in the Middle East; the period between the two world wars notwithstanding). This should be widely disseminated throughout Leftistan, assuming they’re even open to seeing how they’ve been duped.
PS - my admiration for Israel in the face of such overwhelming odds cannot be overstated.
"Leftistan"!!! Mind if I use this?
Why did 80% of the Jews that voted in the US vote for Harris and sided with democrats who hate Jews? This is a serious question that needs answered.
I'm not Jewish but my wife is and her entire family are loyal Dems who voted for Kamala, so I will try to answer your question.
Jewish liberal Dems are people who have mostly very safe and prosperous lives (that they don't want to risk) and consider Trump/MAGA much more of an enemy than they do Hamas or their American supporters. Their tribal loyalty is to American liberalism and the Dem Party, more than it is to Israel or Judaism (as they are often mostly secular).
And inside this tribe/group/demographic, they get to avoid sticking up for Israel by either denouncing Netanyahu (their handy scapegoat) or appealing to "Palestinian babies", which are the UNICEF children of our time. (The Palestinians might be terrible at governing and at being civilized, but they are masters of propaganda and turning their children into "martyrs" to emotionally manipulate Western liberals and their need for conspicuous compassion has been a great coup that is hard to defend against.)
I guess my point is that most people tend to go along with their chosen social cohort and right now for liberals Trump is viewed as the greatest threat of all, and being "pro-Palestinian" is a trendy belief that displays your virtue, whereas Israel is painted as the big bad oppressor all good liberals (even Jews) should oppose.
Hope this makes sense.
Jew here and extremely anti-"Palestinian" and pro-Israel. I voted for Kamala, not at all because I liked her or consider myself a die-hard Democrat, but because I consider Trump to be a threat to our Enlightenment values (I'd vote for a normal Republican in a flash). At times Trump seems to support Israel, but he is a very damaged puppy with no principles and will turn on Israel if he thinks it is in his best interests.
I think this is the answer…
https://sayet.substack.com/p/the-real-answer-to-why-jews-vote
that was great and very helpful. thanks!
Very helpful. Thank you!
Sure, thanks
I can only speak for myself, but: I voted for Harris because I am not a single-issue voter, and on every other issue the Democratic position is far closer to my own than the Republican position. In addition, I do not find the Republican's support for Israel or the Jewish people as trustworthy, just a currently useful tool to continue their attacks on our democracy, constitution, and civil rights. There remain many Democrats who are not anti-Israel and antisemitic, though few are doing the work of speaking out.
What issues are close to you the democrats support? What support does the democrat party provide for the Jewish community in America? How do you feel about leftists and illegal aliens harassing Jewish kids on college campuses? Do jews get attacked or harassed in conservative towns?
Well, I was going to reply to your questions, but now that I see how you responded to a completely accurate comment that right wing antisemitism also exists in the US, I’m not sure it’s worth my effort. Here goes anyway: the Democrats have (by and large) remained committed to the “liberal consensus,” that government exists to uphold civil rights, provide a basic social safety net, regulate industry and business, and promote infrastructure. They also maintain a commitment to reproductive rights, separation of church and state, a willingness no explore common sense gun reforms, and try to maintain integrity among their elected officials.
I personally am unaware of how either party is “providing for the Jewish community.” I am deeply troubled by the mobs of college kids & their “supporters” harassing Jewish students. I think if these universities had done their jobs and given appropriate consequences to these “protesters” immediately, we may not be in the situation we are in. I am also personally unaware of whether or not Jews get harassed in “conservative towns,” as I have never lived in nor spent any amount of time in one.
The current administration is stopping the harassment of Jews on college campuses. How are you not aware of this? The Democrat party is throwing a fit and trying to make the current administration look evil for stopping this. They passed legislation to deport those harassing Jews here on visas. They are halting federal funding to college that won’t stop the harassment. Something tells me you actually know this but you don’t want to admit. You seem like a prideful leftist with a lot of hate in your heart. You should reconsider choosing to learn and grow as a human and listen to what the other side says and the action they take. I can tell what you know about conservatives you hear through the propaganda on your tv.
I am aware of it, and I support deporting those who are terrorist supporters, as long as they receive due process. The actions of the Trump admin weren’t raised in our conversation until you just brought them up. I think if the universities had done their jobs, Trump may not have won. I haven’t said a single thing that could be construed as hateful. I have tried to openly and honestly answer your questions, even though, as noted above, you have been quite rude and aggressive towards the other commenter.
I will say what I want to liars. That account spewed a bunch of fake shit and made up stories. Propaganda is evil and I don’t tolerate that shit anymore.
There is right-wing anti-semitism. It comes from both sides ("Jews will not replace us.")
Right wingers are harassing Jewish kids on college campuses? Right wingers are marching in the streets of large cities in the us protesting against Jews? Or do you mean a bunch of fake accounts online of people you don’t see in real life? Because online is so real
Obviously the right-wingers aren't on college campuses harassing Jews (no insult intended). They have their own where and when of doing the same, hence my reference to "Jews will not replace us" - North Carolina I think it was, tiki torches, . . . And they have a long history of the same. As far as I know this obnoxious woke garbage is fairly new. I don't know anything about fake accounts online regarding anti-semitism. But I grew up in the states and we all know there are American Nazis, white supremacists, etc. I'm not at all excusing the crazy leftists. You can relax.
You’re a leftist making up new trash. You yourself hate Jews.
That number is a gross exaggeration. https://www.danielgreenfield.org/2024/11/trump-won-jewish-neighborhoods-across.html
Interesting
I get likes but no answers. Everyone has the same question. Something is fishy here
Horrendously fascinating! The Russians are still threatening the world. It is miraculous that you have overcome these evils! I admire you so much and you will continue to beat them.
I have talked to a disturbing number of people who believe (somehow simultaneously) that Hamas isn’t evil and is justified in their actions, and that if they ARE evil, it’s cause Israel created Hamas in the first place. They created Hamas because they knew they’d use their own ppl as human shields, so Hamas would do Israel’s work for them, and everything Palestinians do that’s bad is Israel’s fault.
I often come to this page to remind myself that everyone isn’t stupid or malicious but it’s so frustrating. They’re absolutely everywhere now. There is a global conspiracy to kill the Jewish ppl are for Islamists to make a Caliphate, but that can’t be uttered even though it’s so obvious. Look at Harvard’s graduation ceremony…the French Jewish bakery. I don’t think ppl will learn how stupid they’ve been til it’s too late, and even then, as the bombs drop, they’ll probably be thinking “the Jews must have paid for these weapons.”
What about the "Harvard graduation ceremony...the French Jewish bakery"?
To add a note, every race and religion has it's 'bad actors '. There are some Jewish people that are greedy and controlling, but the majority of us are everyday people, with real life problems. We are being judged by the greed of the few, versus the kindness of the majority, who are just wanting a peaceful coexistence with others, many of different faiths
This is exactly what the Liberal party playbook looks like, in Canada
It would help, if speaking against Israel (of course, Islam is a threat for everyone) and asking questions about WW2 were not punishable with prison terms.
Also, there are too many parties posing as Jews.
I'm not doubting you, but I am wondering if you would please provide a few examples that you have in mind?
Biological imperative to be Superior is still very prevalent. Abraham, ~3700 years ago started the moral concept of one Creator and the Sanctity of Human Life. In evolution, this is a very recent concept, accelerated by modern industry and creativity. There is enough food production for everyone, so competition and conquest is no longer beneficial. Modern armaments only leave vast destruction, only Ego is obtained. The Sanctity and Dignity of all Human Life has to be stated frequently and loudly, to counteract war and violence.
Abraham didn’t start the moral concept of one god. God spoke to him and declared Himself. I really don’t understand how Jews who were given the Torah, with whom God made an everlasting covenant, who has watched over them for all these hundreds of years and brought them back to their land, cant see or understand that there is God and that He chose them for His purposes and that this is the reason why the world, as in those who hate God, are out to destroy them. Nor do I understand how they can’t see the hand of God through all their history. By all accounts they should have disappeared alongside all those other tribes that lived before the modern era, but they still exist. A tiny minority and that is in itself an absolute miracle
Despite everything, all the hatred, the holocausts, pogroms, diaspora, you still exist because there is a God
I'm a proud Jew, but an atheist. This is eminently possible. I am very proud of the Jewish concept of one god, which inherently contains the idea of the equality of humanity, and the sanctity of human life, as Martin explains.
Andrew, thank you for the history. While I knew that the Soviets (Russians) were far from Jew friendly I had no idea how deep their anti-Semitism/anti-Zionist hatred runs. Russia did have a relatively large Jewish population (which I believe thinned out around 1917). I also did not realize that the "Protocols" were so widely disseminated and used as 'proof' of the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. I have seen numerous references to that propaganda pamphlet in Substack and elsewhere. It is cited as the truth often. Thank you for increasing my knowledge of the rather recent increase in anti-Jew, anti-Zionism hate. It is essential in war to know your enemy.
great article.
I am left with the conclusion that the image of the scheming, conniving, cowardly, betraying Jew is so entrenched in world culture....that if Israel didn't exist, if even Zionism didn't exist, antisemitism would be as powerful a religion as it is today. The reaction of both some Jews and Gentiles to the hamas massacre to turn their disgust, ire, disapproval, rejection, negation on Jews...the Israeli state is a symptom of the conspiratorial nature of the Jews as perceived by antisemites. It is essential and foundational to the far left as it is to the far right. Why can't we be more humanitarian. Why didn't we fight nazi Germany persecutors during WWII, why are we so crude and boorish, why are we so exclusivist and supremacist. Why are we indifferent to the suffering of the poor innocent people of Gaza while continuing our obsession with the Holocaust and the primacy of alleged Jewish suffering. Why did the Zionists form an alliance with nazi Germany? Why did white Europeans imagine they could subdue and finally eliminate an ancient and proud people the Palestinians? Why do we even have Holocaust ceremonies after more than 70 years of "nakba" and the ongoing genocide. The only genocide in history in which the numbers of people increase at a high rate. Why did white Europeans frighten brown Arab Jews into abandoning their fellow Arab countrymen? why is Israeli society based on racist exclusion including subjugating the Arab Jew? Why is it using Jewish black people as canon fodder to subjugate Palestine. Why are we appropriating their culture. We have none as authentic. I could go on. Here is Columbia harvard and Berekely Mid East and Jewish studies today. Yes Harvard resist Trump! Power to the people. Hey hey ho ho Trump and Vance have got to go. Day of rage for M Khalil a justice activist persecuted by Zionism. Bring back M13 social service workers.
The article does a good job explaining that the "Palestinian" cause was invented by the Soviets. There is no such "ancient and proud people." Arab Israelis serve on the Supreme Court, and when surveyed would not prefer to live in an Arab country. Appropriating their culture? What culture? Sharia law, nice scarves, hating Jews, strapping bombs to their own children? It's pathetic. There was never an alliance between Zionists and Nazis.
Looks like the Protocols were projected straight from the Koran .
Who is your audience for this essay? Good luck reaching them whoever they may be. In the meantime some who are not likely to be persuaded by such an informed academic approach may see in Paragraph #12 "directly inspired them to launch their" and may view 'them' as us the Jews rather than 'them' as the Nazis. Using 'Nazis' instead of 'them' at that point in the text would prevent that paragraph from being misused. Many valuable essays about related important topics regularly make similar 'errors' at crucial points in the text. I've counted a few single sentences as part of the 12 first paragraphs.
The theory is an interpretation of the Tanakh, in which the promises made to the people (the Jews) have been given wild conclusions about the ways in which the Jews would achieve their goal. This is what happens when writings are interpreted by people who do not fully understand the historical context in which the writings were born.
In the recesses of my memory, there is one theory that I once read about the origin of that.
According to it, the book that originated in Russia is a collection of interpretations within the clergy of the French, German and Russian churches, and consists of several sermons that were based on assumptions. The consequence of assumptions is as innocent as the isolation of the Jews. In their work, the Jews succeeded and have always succeeded for the safety of the community by being loyal like Daniel in the writings. But this is how the scriptures teach about life in a foreign country.
It is a completely different matter whether a pagan believes in the holy scriptures or not, understands them or not, yet the vast majority, who do not even want to read or understand, are inclined to go along when there is a sufficiently large number of people behind the so-called declaration of truth. The Protocol was created on the basis of a Christian interpretation, which has acquired a new political meaning in Russia. One loop in anti-Semitism.
Are we safe from a policy like the protocol, WE ARE NOT!
Turkey's relationship with the Kurds, and images such as the Serbs, China, Russia, and the images created by the USA, or rather Trump, of the Latin American peoples and the insinuations accusing Europe of how we take advantage of them, wrestle with the table books in that same series.
Has already been told this in advance, this should not be a surprise.
Peoples rise against each other and states against state. Strange in itself, when that was written, there was not yet a similar understanding of states as there is now. There was no Mexico, much less the USA.