I'm a US citizen, but I've always stood up for Jews and Israel! Our God (Messiah) is a Jew, and I was raised to support them because they are God’s people.
I'm with you when you stated that Netanyahu would not make this up. Indeed, he does have better things to be doing with his time.
This current administration has been the worst by far of any president in my lifetime. His failure to support Israel means all of us in the US will pay for it by the hand of God. This is not all of Joe Biden's issues, though.
1. He has caused terribly high inflation.
2. Making house buying a dream only.
3. Non-sanctioning Iran.
4. Created open borders, where illegals have raped and murdered little girls and young women.
5. ISIS members have been allowed into our country.
6. Valenzuela gangs have been allowed into the country.
7. Over a million men between 25-45 from Asia and other parts have been allowed in the country (mostly fighters for the UN in the event of another medical crisis caused by the government and Fauci).
8. He's pushing globalist government on us which will force us out of a democracy. He's a pure socialist!
He definitely should have been charged with treason. Our country is falling apart at the seams. He doesn't even know where he is anymore. His mind is absent. The only way out of this mountain of a mess is a different President in the November election. If this doesn't happen, and this administration wins, WE ARE DOOMED! Please know that some people here support Jews and Israel 🇮🇱. May our God the Messiah be with us all!
Josh, if you are right that “the U.S. is probably hearing through Iranian backchannels that any Israeli offensive against Hezbollah will include Iranian proxy attacks against American assets in the Middle East” and that “the Biden administration presumably wants none of this just a few months ahead of a landmark election” Bibi (or the Mossad) should get proof of this and threaten to expose this if Biden doesn’t send the military aid that he is withholding PRONTO. I am sure the American public doesn’t want to know how vulnerable the US is – and susceptible to blackmail – by Iran.
So if Biden is succumbing to blackmail from Iran, he’ll succumb to blackmail from Bibi. Worth a try?
Many would have nukes eliminated in the US, Russia, China and North Korea, too - but that isn't going to happen any time soon. Dan, your snide remarks about Israel are not going unnoticed. What's your agenda?
You: I’m of the opinion the Arabs and Jews in the U.S. are focused on the foreign policy interests of the US and regard Palestine/Israel as tangential at most.
Me: I wrote a scholarly paper about Palestinian propaganda 20 years ago and as part of my research, read a Palestinian psychiatrist’s view that a majority of them were paralyzed by fear of their terrorist leaders. I think that is probably still true but I believe the current generation of Palestinians has gone way beyond “fear”; they’ve been fully brainwashed to hate Jews and want Israel destroyed. Multiple statements, videos, polls support this. You cannot begin a peace process with those who want you dead. Period.
You: An end to senseless genocide. Freeing of all hostages, whether in Gaza or the infamous administrative detention.
Me: None of the deaths resulting from this constitute “genocide”, a term invented by a post-Holocaust Polish Jew to mean the murder of an entire people. Your mis-use of the word indicates your own brainwashing by anti-Israel forces. Personally, I think a quicker end to hostilities would be a “no hostage-no prisoner” policy by Israel. Meaning, we won’t bargain our country’s security for our hostages and we won’t take prisoners. If you are caught committing a terrorist act, we kill you.
You: The right of self-determination for all in Palestine, whether Jew. Christian or Muslim.
Me: There is no Palestine. There is Israel and disputed territories. Judea/Samaria and Gaza should be retaken by Israel since Jews are indigenous to these areas. They should be peopled only with Jews and friendly gentiles willing to abide by the Noahide laws. (Look them up)
You: An end to theft of homes and land and an end to squatting on the property of others.
Me: Israel hasn’t been stealing anyone’s homes. Jews have been re-settling areas near areas where Palestinians have been “squatting” and attacking Jews. (And yes, Jews have been rightfully retaliating).
You. A single state, from the river to the sea, incorporating East Jerusalem, Gaza, Judea and Samaria (I’m with Ben-Gvir on this).
Me: Agreed. All part of Israel.
You: Equal rights for all in that state, devoid of tribal preferences (not with Ben-Gvir).
Me: Not all rights. Judaism is the national religion and Jewish holidays/rituals should be the laws of the land. Gentiles are free to practice their faith, however, just not to impose it in the public square.
You: All in that state to become citizens of it.
Me: Only those who have not been warring against Israel.
You: Recognition that the people in the two tribes aren’t going away and that they have to find ways to live together. And most of all, the literal prayer that Palestine and Israel can find their equivalents of Mandela, de Klerk and Tutu - peace and reconciliation.
Me: Full recognition of Israel as a Jewish state and if non-Jews are okay with living by our rules they can be fellow citizens. If not, OUT THEY GO, one way or another. G-d gave us this land. We don’t need to justify our dominion there to you or anyone else.
" The U.S. embargo remained in place until the mid-1950s"
I believe the US arms embargo stayed in place until 1968, after the Six Day War and the French embargo with a single exception: in 1963 JFK allowed the sale of Hawk anti-aircraft missiles to Israel.
The Six Day War was won with French warplanes (Mirage III and Ouragans) and British tanks (Centurion) as well as a motley assemblage of upgraded WW2 Sherman tanks.
The Yom Kippur War is wonderfully described in the book by Abraham Rabinowich, where he shows Kissinger's admonition was the least of Israel's problems. Most of the problem was home-grown, an Israeli chief of intelligence (Elie Zeira) who misled his superiors about information he had and a chief of staff (David Elazar) who believed him above all else, including Mossad (which had direct info from Nasser's son in law). The Golan was saved only because Moshe Dayan insisted that an additional tank battalion be moved there 2 days before the war started, raising Israel's tank strength on the Golan from 89 to 177.
Under the present untenable circumstances, serious consideration of the Samson Option may again free up the flow of needed weapons to change the dynamics. Israel's longterm socio-economic viability is already at stake in dealing with 7 fronts and some difficult decisions are in order.
I totally agree with this. What a sinister and cynical act. To do this while allowing Iran to develop its nuclear weapons is anathema! Biden has lost his mind and all credibility. I believe Israel is right to publicly name and shame the US.
The only thing that I've learned from you is that you don't know or admit how the so-called Palestinians got to the areas they currently occupy in Israel (what non Zionists call the "disputed territories" of Judea/Samaria and Gaza). Many were driven there post 1948 by Arabs wishing to create a permanent army against Israel. Statehood was never their goal; only the desire to destroy Israel. They have done nothing since then but refuse offers of statehood; engage in terrorism against Israel and fester in a culture of hate cloaked in the practice of Islam. They are pawns of an unholy Islamo/Leftist alliance that has created the most outlandish lies about Israel and the Palestinians which people like you gobble up as truth. Well, the Palestinians' own leaders have admitted the truth. Here's a quote from PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen, the Dutch newspaper Trouw, March 31, 1977. "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.... [T]he moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." Dan, the only reason why Arab countries won't allow Palestinians to immigrate back "home" so to speak is they WANT them to remain a festering sore of hatred against Israel within her own country. Eventually the problem will be solved in Israel's favor, but not in the ways that you might think. BTW: No, I don't "enjoy" this dialogue like you. I simply feel compelled to dispute your inaccuracies. You have no skin in the game. As a Jew, I do. That makes us from different worlds and brings me no closer to ever trusting people like you.
I just don't see any evidence of Biden holding up weapons. If you find concrete facts, let us know. Galant is on his way to Washington to see if he can persuade Biden to release the shipment of heavy bombs. It's possible that Bibi doesn't want Gallant to get credit for this, hence the claim of withholding arms. I could be wrong, but as Israel has been the subject of misinformation, exaggerations, and hearsay, so we need to not do the same.
I pray that Israel weans herself off US aid a.s.a.p. She has the talent and the means to do it. She should not be dependent on anyone but G-d who gave her the land in the first place.
It's hardly "charity". As this article explains, the military aid is a way for the US government to use as LEVERAGE against Israel, not out of altruism.
You and I seem to agree that Israel should be independent of US aid. But don't call it charity. The US benefits from its relationship with Israel. In addition to getting important intel about the region and "boots" on the ground to fight wars against US enemies with Israeli blood, critical components of leading American high-tech products are invented and designed in Israel, making these American companies more competitive and more profitable globally. The New England-Israel Business Council released a study that shows that Israeli-founded businesses have generated about 9,000 jobs in Massachusetts alone, and indirectly support an additional 18,000. These companies represent nearly four percent of the state’s GDP. In any case, the US has proven to be an unreliable ally, particularly under the Biden administration. Other administrations have been hell-bent on making sure that Israel didn't win any wars either. Clearly, you are not a fan of Israel but polls show that many Americans are. Israel values this good will for reasons other than money. May Israel win this war in spite of the Biden administration and critics like you, to forge a new, more equitable relationship with the US and other countries. https://il.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/fact-sheet-u-s-israel-economic-relationship/#:~:text=The%20U.S.-Israeli%20economic%20and%20commercial%20relationship%20now%20spans,and%20aviation%2C%20to%20name%20just%20a%20few%20sectors.
Interesting that Dan Nelson ignored your post which clearly lays out the contributions and importance Israel makes to the US. Far from Israel being a dependent, it is a major contributor to the alliance. You can't remotely make that claim about our Arab "allies" as much as Dan Nelson twists himself into knots trying to make the case that the Arab countries are more beneficial to us than Israel.
Qatar is a state sponsor of terrorism. Tell me how that benefits America. We wouldn't need to be fighting wars in the Mideast if our great Arab "allies" weren't funding terrorism in the first place. Furthermore, you are such a hypocrite. On the one hand you and your ilk falsely claim that America fights wars in the Mideast for Israel. Now you complain because we DON'T have a naval base in Israel. What you're doing is admitting that Israel actually fights its own wars unlike the Arab "allies" who depend on America to fight their wars. Thanks for admitting that.
Qatar funds and harbors hamas. This has been widely reported even if you choose to play dumb. Like I said and as this article points out, arms to Israel is for the purpose of using as LEVERAGE for the US government. It is most certainly NOT charity. Israel is not dependent on the US, it fights its own battles. The Arabs however depend heavily on America to fight their wars. Furthermore, Israel develops military technologies that improve upon American arms they receive, which in turn benefits the US military. Though it was jointly funded, it was Israeli scientists who developed the Iron Dome. Our relations with our so-called Arab "allies" not only have ZERO benefit for America, but they are also a liability. Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11, Qatar is a state sponsor of terrorism. They don't produce technology. Egypt also receives American arms and gets about the same amount of money as Israel from us with no added benefit to America, but apparently you have no problem with that. It's simply laughable to claim the Arab countries are more beneficial allies than a technologically advanced Israel who fights its own battles.
"Attack the United States based on a lie that he made up"
There's plenty of evidence of a US slow-down in military deliveries: a month ago two Democrats in Congress lifted their object to sale of F15s to Israel. Usually Congress is notified formally within the week of the intention to sell but in this case it still hasn't happened.
Many US arms sales are highly subsidized, including to NATO (Slovak AH1Z helicopters) and Egypt.
I'm a US citizen, but I've always stood up for Jews and Israel! Our God (Messiah) is a Jew, and I was raised to support them because they are God’s people.
I'm with you when you stated that Netanyahu would not make this up. Indeed, he does have better things to be doing with his time.
This current administration has been the worst by far of any president in my lifetime. His failure to support Israel means all of us in the US will pay for it by the hand of God. This is not all of Joe Biden's issues, though.
1. He has caused terribly high inflation.
2. Making house buying a dream only.
3. Non-sanctioning Iran.
4. Created open borders, where illegals have raped and murdered little girls and young women.
5. ISIS members have been allowed into our country.
6. Valenzuela gangs have been allowed into the country.
7. Over a million men between 25-45 from Asia and other parts have been allowed in the country (mostly fighters for the UN in the event of another medical crisis caused by the government and Fauci).
8. He's pushing globalist government on us which will force us out of a democracy. He's a pure socialist!
He definitely should have been charged with treason. Our country is falling apart at the seams. He doesn't even know where he is anymore. His mind is absent. The only way out of this mountain of a mess is a different President in the November election. If this doesn't happen, and this administration wins, WE ARE DOOMED! Please know that some people here support Jews and Israel 🇮🇱. May our God the Messiah be with us all!
Josh, if you are right that “the U.S. is probably hearing through Iranian backchannels that any Israeli offensive against Hezbollah will include Iranian proxy attacks against American assets in the Middle East” and that “the Biden administration presumably wants none of this just a few months ahead of a landmark election” Bibi (or the Mossad) should get proof of this and threaten to expose this if Biden doesn’t send the military aid that he is withholding PRONTO. I am sure the American public doesn’t want to know how vulnerable the US is – and susceptible to blackmail – by Iran.
So if Biden is succumbing to blackmail from Iran, he’ll succumb to blackmail from Bibi. Worth a try?
I admire Douglas Murray, the last voice of reason in Europe.
Perhaps no one believes Israel will be forced to use their nuclear weapons.
I cannot imagine a scenario where Israel would benefit by using nukes.
Israel may not a choice if it is denied weapons.
She won't survive a nuke retaliation. Is Iran capable of this? Are any other countries in the region?
Many would have nukes eliminated in the US, Russia, China and North Korea, too - but that isn't going to happen any time soon. Dan, your snide remarks about Israel are not going unnoticed. What's your agenda?
re Agendas.
You: I’m of the opinion the Arabs and Jews in the U.S. are focused on the foreign policy interests of the US and regard Palestine/Israel as tangential at most.
Me: I wrote a scholarly paper about Palestinian propaganda 20 years ago and as part of my research, read a Palestinian psychiatrist’s view that a majority of them were paralyzed by fear of their terrorist leaders. I think that is probably still true but I believe the current generation of Palestinians has gone way beyond “fear”; they’ve been fully brainwashed to hate Jews and want Israel destroyed. Multiple statements, videos, polls support this. You cannot begin a peace process with those who want you dead. Period.
You: An end to senseless genocide. Freeing of all hostages, whether in Gaza or the infamous administrative detention.
Me: None of the deaths resulting from this constitute “genocide”, a term invented by a post-Holocaust Polish Jew to mean the murder of an entire people. Your mis-use of the word indicates your own brainwashing by anti-Israel forces. Personally, I think a quicker end to hostilities would be a “no hostage-no prisoner” policy by Israel. Meaning, we won’t bargain our country’s security for our hostages and we won’t take prisoners. If you are caught committing a terrorist act, we kill you.
You: The right of self-determination for all in Palestine, whether Jew. Christian or Muslim.
Me: There is no Palestine. There is Israel and disputed territories. Judea/Samaria and Gaza should be retaken by Israel since Jews are indigenous to these areas. They should be peopled only with Jews and friendly gentiles willing to abide by the Noahide laws. (Look them up)
You: An end to theft of homes and land and an end to squatting on the property of others.
Me: Israel hasn’t been stealing anyone’s homes. Jews have been re-settling areas near areas where Palestinians have been “squatting” and attacking Jews. (And yes, Jews have been rightfully retaliating).
You. A single state, from the river to the sea, incorporating East Jerusalem, Gaza, Judea and Samaria (I’m with Ben-Gvir on this).
Me: Agreed. All part of Israel.
You: Equal rights for all in that state, devoid of tribal preferences (not with Ben-Gvir).
Me: Not all rights. Judaism is the national religion and Jewish holidays/rituals should be the laws of the land. Gentiles are free to practice their faith, however, just not to impose it in the public square.
You: All in that state to become citizens of it.
Me: Only those who have not been warring against Israel.
You: Recognition that the people in the two tribes aren’t going away and that they have to find ways to live together. And most of all, the literal prayer that Palestine and Israel can find their equivalents of Mandela, de Klerk and Tutu - peace and reconciliation.
Me: Full recognition of Israel as a Jewish state and if non-Jews are okay with living by our rules they can be fellow citizens. If not, OUT THEY GO, one way or another. G-d gave us this land. We don’t need to justify our dominion there to you or anyone else.
" The U.S. embargo remained in place until the mid-1950s"
I believe the US arms embargo stayed in place until 1968, after the Six Day War and the French embargo with a single exception: in 1963 JFK allowed the sale of Hawk anti-aircraft missiles to Israel.
The Six Day War was won with French warplanes (Mirage III and Ouragans) and British tanks (Centurion) as well as a motley assemblage of upgraded WW2 Sherman tanks.
The Yom Kippur War is wonderfully described in the book by Abraham Rabinowich, where he shows Kissinger's admonition was the least of Israel's problems. Most of the problem was home-grown, an Israeli chief of intelligence (Elie Zeira) who misled his superiors about information he had and a chief of staff (David Elazar) who believed him above all else, including Mossad (which had direct info from Nasser's son in law). The Golan was saved only because Moshe Dayan insisted that an additional tank battalion be moved there 2 days before the war started, raising Israel's tank strength on the Golan from 89 to 177.
Under the present untenable circumstances, serious consideration of the Samson Option may again free up the flow of needed weapons to change the dynamics. Israel's longterm socio-economic viability is already at stake in dealing with 7 fronts and some difficult decisions are in order.
I totally agree with this. What a sinister and cynical act. To do this while allowing Iran to develop its nuclear weapons is anathema! Biden has lost his mind and all credibility. I believe Israel is right to publicly name and shame the US.
The only thing that I've learned from you is that you don't know or admit how the so-called Palestinians got to the areas they currently occupy in Israel (what non Zionists call the "disputed territories" of Judea/Samaria and Gaza). Many were driven there post 1948 by Arabs wishing to create a permanent army against Israel. Statehood was never their goal; only the desire to destroy Israel. They have done nothing since then but refuse offers of statehood; engage in terrorism against Israel and fester in a culture of hate cloaked in the practice of Islam. They are pawns of an unholy Islamo/Leftist alliance that has created the most outlandish lies about Israel and the Palestinians which people like you gobble up as truth. Well, the Palestinians' own leaders have admitted the truth. Here's a quote from PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen, the Dutch newspaper Trouw, March 31, 1977. "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.... [T]he moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." Dan, the only reason why Arab countries won't allow Palestinians to immigrate back "home" so to speak is they WANT them to remain a festering sore of hatred against Israel within her own country. Eventually the problem will be solved in Israel's favor, but not in the ways that you might think. BTW: No, I don't "enjoy" this dialogue like you. I simply feel compelled to dispute your inaccuracies. You have no skin in the game. As a Jew, I do. That makes us from different worlds and brings me no closer to ever trusting people like you.
I just don't see any evidence of Biden holding up weapons. If you find concrete facts, let us know. Galant is on his way to Washington to see if he can persuade Biden to release the shipment of heavy bombs. It's possible that Bibi doesn't want Gallant to get credit for this, hence the claim of withholding arms. I could be wrong, but as Israel has been the subject of misinformation, exaggerations, and hearsay, so we need to not do the same.
I pray that Israel weans herself off US aid a.s.a.p. She has the talent and the means to do it. She should not be dependent on anyone but G-d who gave her the land in the first place.
Totally agree.
It's hardly "charity". As this article explains, the military aid is a way for the US government to use as LEVERAGE against Israel, not out of altruism.
You and I seem to agree that Israel should be independent of US aid. But don't call it charity. The US benefits from its relationship with Israel. In addition to getting important intel about the region and "boots" on the ground to fight wars against US enemies with Israeli blood, critical components of leading American high-tech products are invented and designed in Israel, making these American companies more competitive and more profitable globally. The New England-Israel Business Council released a study that shows that Israeli-founded businesses have generated about 9,000 jobs in Massachusetts alone, and indirectly support an additional 18,000. These companies represent nearly four percent of the state’s GDP. In any case, the US has proven to be an unreliable ally, particularly under the Biden administration. Other administrations have been hell-bent on making sure that Israel didn't win any wars either. Clearly, you are not a fan of Israel but polls show that many Americans are. Israel values this good will for reasons other than money. May Israel win this war in spite of the Biden administration and critics like you, to forge a new, more equitable relationship with the US and other countries. https://il.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/fact-sheet-u-s-israel-economic-relationship/#:~:text=The%20U.S.-Israeli%20economic%20and%20commercial%20relationship%20now%20spans,and%20aviation%2C%20to%20name%20just%20a%20few%20sectors.
Interesting that Dan Nelson ignored your post which clearly lays out the contributions and importance Israel makes to the US. Far from Israel being a dependent, it is a major contributor to the alliance. You can't remotely make that claim about our Arab "allies" as much as Dan Nelson twists himself into knots trying to make the case that the Arab countries are more beneficial to us than Israel.
100% right. He's a troll.
Qatar is a state sponsor of terrorism. Tell me how that benefits America. We wouldn't need to be fighting wars in the Mideast if our great Arab "allies" weren't funding terrorism in the first place. Furthermore, you are such a hypocrite. On the one hand you and your ilk falsely claim that America fights wars in the Mideast for Israel. Now you complain because we DON'T have a naval base in Israel. What you're doing is admitting that Israel actually fights its own wars unlike the Arab "allies" who depend on America to fight their wars. Thanks for admitting that.
It's totally laughable that Qatar is a bulwark against Iran when Qatar is allied with Iran.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/opinion/comment/the-world-cannot-keep-turning-a-blind-eye-to-qatar-s-funding-of-terrorism-1.900242
Qatar funds and harbors hamas. This has been widely reported even if you choose to play dumb. Like I said and as this article points out, arms to Israel is for the purpose of using as LEVERAGE for the US government. It is most certainly NOT charity. Israel is not dependent on the US, it fights its own battles. The Arabs however depend heavily on America to fight their wars. Furthermore, Israel develops military technologies that improve upon American arms they receive, which in turn benefits the US military. Though it was jointly funded, it was Israeli scientists who developed the Iron Dome. Our relations with our so-called Arab "allies" not only have ZERO benefit for America, but they are also a liability. Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11, Qatar is a state sponsor of terrorism. They don't produce technology. Egypt also receives American arms and gets about the same amount of money as Israel from us with no added benefit to America, but apparently you have no problem with that. It's simply laughable to claim the Arab countries are more beneficial allies than a technologically advanced Israel who fights its own battles.
Iran, Qatar sign bilateral cooperation deals as Raisi eyes improved Gulf ties
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-raisi-hopes-qatar-gas-forum-will-boost-relations-with-other-gulf-countries-2022-02-21/#:~:text=Qatar%20has%20good%20ties%20with%20Iran%2C%20with%20which,Islamist%20groups%20and%20with%20non-Arab%20Turkey%20and%20Iran.
"Attack the United States based on a lie that he made up"
There's plenty of evidence of a US slow-down in military deliveries: a month ago two Democrats in Congress lifted their object to sale of F15s to Israel. Usually Congress is notified formally within the week of the intention to sell but in this case it still hasn't happened.
Many US arms sales are highly subsidized, including to NATO (Slovak AH1Z helicopters) and Egypt.
Hear, hear.