I think in retrospect Israel should have never negotiated with terrorists for hostages in the first place. I know it sounds callous, but they know Israel will do anything to get hostages back which gives hostages great value to them.
As much as I have mercy on them, I don’t agree with the hostage families who want capitulation. We know the names of their loved ones. But we know that for each of them, others will die and be kidnapped if Israel gives in to Hamas demands.
Not to mention the IDF soldiers who die every day. I know, it is harsh. I say bomb Iran's oil fields and then demand the hostages, with the understanding we will bomb more. If they kill the hostages, return terrorist prisoners in body bags, at a rate of say 5 to 1.
It’s ludicrous given the exchanges in the past and how Israelis have risked their lives to save hostages that enough isn’t being done by Israel. Everyone knows it’s an ethical dilemma. It’s fair to say israel with its humaneness has already fostered a situation where taking hostages is very profitable for Hamas. Logically rationally and ethically what Israel does to retrieve hostages greatly increasing sometimes ensuring the abduction and deaths of others down the line doesn׳t make for a compelling case. Now we are talking about long term security. Israel will never have long term security if hostages can derail necessary military plans. Obviously if someone dear to me was captive in these monstrous conditions more so if that person was fragile all I’d be thinking is do whatever you can. Nothing is enough. I’m sick that the world didn’t condemn the barbarity of the hostage taking and apply pressure and I almost feel like no amount of barbarity would move the needle for long if at all. That’s all the more reason for Israel to do what it needs to do militarily. Despite all the specious claims of genocide and the destructiveness of the war Israel has not been heavy handed enough given the hostage situation. That’s my opinion.
Yes. The democrats, have said virtually nothing. And there are American hostages. And democrats are many Jewish. Mind boggling. Jewish In Name Only. JINOs…shameful.
A problem is that in the past sometimes Terrorists do get States: There is a phrase Historians warn us with 'Todays Terrorists, Tomorrows Statesmen'. Hamas MUST be the exception to this, because Hamas is Genocidal (they have said so) , and Iran will use any Hamas-State-Enclave as a warehouse for weapons and training on the Mediterranean for new assaults for a Islamist Takeover of mainland Europe using militant Muslims here.
Excellent! Jimmy Carter was the devil in sheep's clothing. He tricked Begin while Begin fell for the ploy of a so-called 'spiritual' man. I'd like to read about his (Carter's) income from Arabs. M.M.Schneerson repeatedly explained a) do not give up one inch of land even if acquired via combat b) do not negotiate with terrorists... simply they (terrorizers) will then do more and worse. If I understand correctly a) and b) are based solidly on Torah/Talmud. Bibi has been all along undermined by some of the upper echelon of the military and ministers. Not to mention the Devotees of the God of Leftism who have BDS - Bibi Derangement Syndrome. There are decades of Israeli leaders i.e. some type of Jewish individuals who believed in their own cleverness to "rob peter to pay paul":) The whole time from at least post-Balfour Agreement the Jewish state/State was continually kowtowing to 'the powers that be' UN, USA, Europe etc. in order to appear very 'xtian-like'. Some of the smartest even super smart of our minions ... have always had serious gaps in their intelligence. Israel ie Am Yisrael and Israel the State... need to get one lesson: play by our own rules which are established in Torah/Talmud. Nobel Prizes; Academy Awards: Mayoral and Presidential honors etc... do not count. Get the lesson.
Bibi gave a GREAT press conference today! Most of the questions i.e. live questioners (so-called 'journalists') were horrible and demonic. Most of them are not 'journalists' at all but are political activists, and some are straight out of central casting for a science fiction movie about demons in the media.
I don’t think Obama etc loves Qatar for money. I think he and his posse truly believe in appeasement. They also believe in anti colonialism. And I think they believe in it quite literally. That brown people have no agency and therefore if not for white people, brown people would have no problems. Money sweetens things. But if one is open to a bribe, there are probably many pockets to get it out of. People pick the one they align with.
I think that Netanyahu is looking to right the wrong of letting October 7 happen. I think he sees it as a personal moral failing and a stain so dark as to besmirch a lifelong career in politics. A successful conclusion to the war with Israel more secure than before October 7 would be a better end to his story and somewhat ameliorate a truly awful situation.
Appeasement will bring the war anyway. Lesson 101 with the Nazis - “Chamberlain”. Apart from that Bibi has become such a hated figure that he would lose any international popularity contest against Sinwar. It’s insane.
1) I'm old enough to remember when Americans were taken hostage by Iran in 1979 - 1980. Every single day there was a count and news and discussion. Hard not to think it's because these hostages are American Jews. 2) What the hell has happened to us? How did we win WW2? You bring your enemy to its knees; then you tell them how it's going to be. People say you can't kill an idea. Not entirely true. Japan had an emperor cult and we squashed that. Nazi-ism was immediately outlawed in Germany and reparations put in place. But the enemy has to feel it bad. 3. Can't we argue that you do not follow the rules of international warfare when dealing with terrorists. Just saying. 4. Anyway, the idea that war has to be nicely done is ridiculous. 5. After, no humanitarian aid, no water, no electricity, no jobs outside Gaza, and no trips to Israeli hospitals. They get billions every year. It's time they used it for their people and build something on prime Mediterranean real estate, or feel the effects of their own people's anger.
In none of these proposed deals does hamas agree to release ALL hostages. If Israel agreed to all of its demands, what happens to the remaining hostages? What is there left to negotiate for their release if you've already withdrawn forces from Gaza and ended the war and emptied your prisons of terrorists?
What matters most, is the prevention of another october, 7th.
Of course, Hamas objects to an Israeli occupation of the Philadelphi corridor- it would succesfully prevent the reconstruction of the tunnels and a renewed military build up .
Egypt has its reservations as well - but didn't they forfeit their rights by turning a blind eye ?
It should be possible to overcome that hurdle.
Perhaps the US- eager for an armistice - and some other nations should abandon their safe role at the sidelines and volunteer to take control of the corridor.
Egypt is peace on a piece of paper. Worthless. Muslim brotherhood…the tunnels go into Egypt. “I’m shocked!” Only works in Casablanca. You are right that we have to prevent another October 7.
The Biden Administration has pulled a page from the Jimmy Carter school of hostage negotiations. Hostages don't mean jack to the folks now occupying the White House, especially when there are boatloads of past and future cash involved as well as an election to win. It shames me to have to live under such morally corrupt leadership.
I think in retrospect Israel should have never negotiated with terrorists for hostages in the first place. I know it sounds callous, but they know Israel will do anything to get hostages back which gives hostages great value to them.
As much as I have mercy on them, I don’t agree with the hostage families who want capitulation. We know the names of their loved ones. But we know that for each of them, others will die and be kidnapped if Israel gives in to Hamas demands.
Not to mention the IDF soldiers who die every day. I know, it is harsh. I say bomb Iran's oil fields and then demand the hostages, with the understanding we will bomb more. If they kill the hostages, return terrorist prisoners in body bags, at a rate of say 5 to 1.
It’s ludicrous given the exchanges in the past and how Israelis have risked their lives to save hostages that enough isn’t being done by Israel. Everyone knows it’s an ethical dilemma. It’s fair to say israel with its humaneness has already fostered a situation where taking hostages is very profitable for Hamas. Logically rationally and ethically what Israel does to retrieve hostages greatly increasing sometimes ensuring the abduction and deaths of others down the line doesn׳t make for a compelling case. Now we are talking about long term security. Israel will never have long term security if hostages can derail necessary military plans. Obviously if someone dear to me was captive in these monstrous conditions more so if that person was fragile all I’d be thinking is do whatever you can. Nothing is enough. I’m sick that the world didn’t condemn the barbarity of the hostage taking and apply pressure and I almost feel like no amount of barbarity would move the needle for long if at all. That’s all the more reason for Israel to do what it needs to do militarily. Despite all the specious claims of genocide and the destructiveness of the war Israel has not been heavy handed enough given the hostage situation. That’s my opinion.
Yes. The democrats, have said virtually nothing. And there are American hostages. And democrats are many Jewish. Mind boggling. Jewish In Name Only. JINOs…shameful.
And the world including the U.S. did not condemn the recent murder of 6 hostages. It’s the old story the Jewish lives do not matter.
Kamala did make a statement, the first half of which was good. But too little too late.
A problem is that in the past sometimes Terrorists do get States: There is a phrase Historians warn us with 'Todays Terrorists, Tomorrows Statesmen'. Hamas MUST be the exception to this, because Hamas is Genocidal (they have said so) , and Iran will use any Hamas-State-Enclave as a warehouse for weapons and training on the Mediterranean for new assaults for a Islamist Takeover of mainland Europe using militant Muslims here.
Excellent! Jimmy Carter was the devil in sheep's clothing. He tricked Begin while Begin fell for the ploy of a so-called 'spiritual' man. I'd like to read about his (Carter's) income from Arabs. M.M.Schneerson repeatedly explained a) do not give up one inch of land even if acquired via combat b) do not negotiate with terrorists... simply they (terrorizers) will then do more and worse. If I understand correctly a) and b) are based solidly on Torah/Talmud. Bibi has been all along undermined by some of the upper echelon of the military and ministers. Not to mention the Devotees of the God of Leftism who have BDS - Bibi Derangement Syndrome. There are decades of Israeli leaders i.e. some type of Jewish individuals who believed in their own cleverness to "rob peter to pay paul":) The whole time from at least post-Balfour Agreement the Jewish state/State was continually kowtowing to 'the powers that be' UN, USA, Europe etc. in order to appear very 'xtian-like'. Some of the smartest even super smart of our minions ... have always had serious gaps in their intelligence. Israel ie Am Yisrael and Israel the State... need to get one lesson: play by our own rules which are established in Torah/Talmud. Nobel Prizes; Academy Awards: Mayoral and Presidential honors etc... do not count. Get the lesson.
It is the Torah lesson. We were never to backdown or back off when dealing with enemies.
Bibi gave a GREAT press conference today! Most of the questions i.e. live questioners (so-called 'journalists') were horrible and demonic. Most of them are not 'journalists' at all but are political activists, and some are straight out of central casting for a science fiction movie about demons in the media.
The Democrats have been appeasing terror for years
I don’t think Obama etc loves Qatar for money. I think he and his posse truly believe in appeasement. They also believe in anti colonialism. And I think they believe in it quite literally. That brown people have no agency and therefore if not for white people, brown people would have no problems. Money sweetens things. But if one is open to a bribe, there are probably many pockets to get it out of. People pick the one they align with.
I think that Netanyahu is looking to right the wrong of letting October 7 happen. I think he sees it as a personal moral failing and a stain so dark as to besmirch a lifelong career in politics. A successful conclusion to the war with Israel more secure than before October 7 would be a better end to his story and somewhat ameliorate a truly awful situation.
Agree about Obama. Biden doesn’t seem to be much of an improvement. Harris would be an Obama clone.
Appeasement will bring the war anyway. Lesson 101 with the Nazis - “Chamberlain”. Apart from that Bibi has become such a hated figure that he would lose any international popularity contest against Sinwar. It’s insane.
Jewish people and those of Jewish descent should all stick together. The only way to win is to stick together!
1) I'm old enough to remember when Americans were taken hostage by Iran in 1979 - 1980. Every single day there was a count and news and discussion. Hard not to think it's because these hostages are American Jews. 2) What the hell has happened to us? How did we win WW2? You bring your enemy to its knees; then you tell them how it's going to be. People say you can't kill an idea. Not entirely true. Japan had an emperor cult and we squashed that. Nazi-ism was immediately outlawed in Germany and reparations put in place. But the enemy has to feel it bad. 3. Can't we argue that you do not follow the rules of international warfare when dealing with terrorists. Just saying. 4. Anyway, the idea that war has to be nicely done is ridiculous. 5. After, no humanitarian aid, no water, no electricity, no jobs outside Gaza, and no trips to Israeli hospitals. They get billions every year. It's time they used it for their people and build something on prime Mediterranean real estate, or feel the effects of their own people's anger.
all good and your first sentence of #5 is EXCELLENT. It would make an ideal T-Shirt. Seriously!
Why do the global elites never call for the Hamas cowards to surrender? If they surrender the war ends.
In none of these proposed deals does hamas agree to release ALL hostages. If Israel agreed to all of its demands, what happens to the remaining hostages? What is there left to negotiate for their release if you've already withdrawn forces from Gaza and ended the war and emptied your prisons of terrorists?
What matters most, is the prevention of another october, 7th.
Of course, Hamas objects to an Israeli occupation of the Philadelphi corridor- it would succesfully prevent the reconstruction of the tunnels and a renewed military build up .
Egypt has its reservations as well - but didn't they forfeit their rights by turning a blind eye ?
It should be possible to overcome that hurdle.
Perhaps the US- eager for an armistice - and some other nations should abandon their safe role at the sidelines and volunteer to take control of the corridor.
Egypt is peace on a piece of paper. Worthless. Muslim brotherhood…the tunnels go into Egypt. “I’m shocked!” Only works in Casablanca. You are right that we have to prevent another October 7.
The Biden Administration has pulled a page from the Jimmy Carter school of hostage negotiations. Hostages don't mean jack to the folks now occupying the White House, especially when there are boatloads of past and future cash involved as well as an election to win. It shames me to have to live under such morally corrupt leadership.