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Betty Loewen's avatar

I want you to know that there are a small but passionate and loyal minority of non-Jews -- mainly among Evangelical Christians -- who are taking a stand with you, and for Israel, regardless of the cost. Sometimes we may seem invisible to you because we don't usually live in big city centres, and too often there is a cultural divide between us... But we do identify and feel a close connection with Jews who still believe in God and who are not so isolated from mainstream society that they reject friendship with non-Jews. And we do support Israel and all that entails.

In the past few decades, we have also been maligned and "othered" by the Woke Left, who are now attacking you! So we (at least those of us who are unafraid of rejection) want to come alongside and stand with you however we can.

Attending and supporting the Jewish-sponsored pro-Israel rallies and events in Vancouver has helped us feel not quite so helpless... and the warmth, appreciation and acceptance we've felt there has been such an encouragement to us!

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jerry kleiner's avatar

Thank you so much Betty for your support. Frankly, we are allies in a war that is designed to tear down Western culture and is an attack on all decent people. Betty, we make up less that half a percent of population and without the support of non-Jews like yourself thruout history, we would be extinct.

ahimsa papa j

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Jewish Grandmother's avatar

Thank you, Betty. I’m in Vancouver, too. I hope our paths cross one of these days.

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Betty Loewen's avatar

We may have already met - at one of the outdoor rallies for the hostages, or an event at a synagogue? It's a bit of a trekk into Vancouver from Abbotsford, and more challenging in bad weather, but we'll come when we can.

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Jewish Grandmother's avatar

Could be. I’m Amy Gilbert. Tall. Active at Temple Sholom. Did I meet you and your husband on Burrard Bridge?

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Betty Loewen's avatar

No, I haven't made it to the bridge events yet... the whole parking issue there is a bit intimidating. It's only been the Art Gallery and different synagogue events.

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Robin Alexander's avatar

I appreciate any support for Jews and Israel. In regard to fundamentalist Christians, please enlighten me: my understanding is that you support Israel because Israel is required in order for the end times to occur, and then anyone who isn't Christian goes to hell for eternity. Please tell me where I'm wrong.

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Betty Loewen's avatar

I thought I had written a reply but now I don't see it... so I'll try again.

You have made several errors in your analysis - first, by accepting without question accusations made by individuals who are virulently anti-Christian. So I hope that your question is sincere, rather than an attempt at entrapment.

Secondly, you are inferring that there is a singular viewpoint about the "End Times"

among Evangelical Christians. There isn't. (I find "Fundamemtalist" to be rather pejorative. But perhaps you are making a distinction between the two? There possibly could be).

Thirdly, is it really necessary for others to hold the same beliefs as you regarding theoretical or theological viewpoints, for you to welcome their care and support? I hope not.

I would say that in general, the basis for most Christian support of Israel is that we share the same Tenach and therefore, the same God and badic values. The Bible tells us that God chose the Jewish People for a unique role and gave them the Land of Israel.... and that those who align themselves with the Jewish people and bless them, will in turn be blessed. Those are eternal truths. The fact that not everyone believes it, or likes it, doesn't change the reality (whether they call themselves "Christian" or anything else).

There are many other issues and many logical reasons to support Israel that can apply to everyone, but a true believer in the God of Israel (and in Yeshua/Jesus as the Messiah - whom Christians claim to follow) will identify with, care about, and stand alongside the Jewish people. If they do not, I question which God they actually believe in.

For too long, this deep connection with the Jewish roots of our faith has been theoretical only, but now everyone is being forced to make a stand... and that's OK.

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Andrew Ml.'s avatar

Unfortunately most Jews are fairly ignorant of the depth and sincerity of the Evangelical support for both Judaism and Israel. Most often "we" (shamefully) fall back on the false claim of "you just support Israel in order to bring about the Apocalypse" and accusations of supporting the wrong types of politician. The deep rot in our "liberal" institutions that Oct 7 exposed has changed some minds, but not enough.

I want you to know that your support and friendship is appreciated .

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Robin Alexander's avatar

Thanks for the full response!!! Greatly appreciated. Did not know that fundamentalist was pejorative, whereas evangelical was not - good to know.

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Betty Loewen's avatar

You are misunderstanding many things... and there is no one undisputed view of the End Times. Israel is important to me Nevis it is important to God. If you're interested in a theological discussion, we can do that. But maybe this isn't the place.

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Robin Alexander's avatar

NP. I will do further research. I still am happy for your support.

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ECB's avatar

That's encouraging. Thanks for posting this.

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Onappeal's avatar

I don’t understand her play on Chabad. Every Chabad family and Shaliach I know welcome all Jews at every level of knowledge and practice. I’ve never experienced them feeling “their shul is better.” Rather they celebrate that you go to shul. And they’ll bring you as close to observance as you care to travel and celebrate that as well.

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jerry kleiner's avatar

I am not religious at all, have not been in a shul in decades but I did have dealings with Chabad last Passove where the Rabbi came over to my home, brought me matzoh and we have stayed in touch since. Chabas welcomes everybody regardless of where you are an atheist or whatever. The author was very wrong in her characterization. I agree with you completely. papa j

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EKB's avatar

Some of us were warning about this for over a decade and the legacy Jewish world only heaped scorn on us. So now everyone knows there's a problem, but what are most doing about it other than complaining?

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jerry kleiner's avatar

The answer is very little unfortunately. Whining seems to rule the day. papa j

Oh and the request for donations also rule the day

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Onappeal's avatar

I was one who was warning. I wanted folks to get ahead of it, especially in the academy. Yes, I was scorned

During covid and the mass hysteria it engendered I saw how people became sheep. I said "replace covid with Jew and we'll see the true nature of the world." I was scorned.

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Robbin Close's avatar

I love the author’s writing style. Sometimes we just need to laugh. A serious subject. We have been serious for a long time. I still believe Jews are welcome in America and most people are not obsessed with thinking about us. Enjoy Thanksgiving with your family. Be grateful for all

you have living in a free country. ❤️

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Shelley Zeitlin's avatar

Just an observation of mine: Chabad Jews usually are loving and accepting of all Jews. It’s the reverse that is most often not true. In your piece, you write that this goes both ways. I urge you to reconsider - and find out you’re not quite right.

Best always.

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Hana Raviyt Schank's avatar

Yes- someone else mentioned this too, suggesting it’s the Satmars not Chabadniks who are hostile. I definitely encountered hostile chabadniks in Chicago in the 90s - maybe it was just that branch, or the times have changed?

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Liba's avatar

Please see my post about Satmar-like Chassidim. https://liba.substack.com/p/helping-soldiers?r=fxgvw

They love Jew.

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Shelley Zeitlin's avatar

It’s doubtful, even then and in Chicago. (Unlikely but still possible.) As for Satmar, it’s much more complicated, nuanced of you will. Generally, in my experience, they are extremely insular and don’t welcome distractions from the outer world. They are passionate about maintaining the clarity of their own traditions and have no desire for outside influences. Nevertheless, once I’ve developed a close and personal relationship with members of this community, they are warm and accommodating - normally on their own turf.

That’s my 2 cents!

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Doug Israel's avatar

The writer doesn't seem to realize or glosses over the fact that 99 percent of what she is describing comes from the infernal "red/green alliance" of leftists and Muslims. I lived my whole life in New York. A year ago I moved to a community in central Texas in which there are about 300 Jews in a population of 10,000. I have encountered NO ANTI-SEMITISM here. None. Zero. In fact when I met my neighbors here and they learned I am Jewish they expressed intense support for us as Jews and for Israel itself. To fight this problem we need to understand where its coming from. We are not in a shetl. We are not alone. Our large cities and campuses are infested with Leftist Jew haters. And our governments and college administrators are too cowardly to do anything about it. And too many Jews who fancy themselves liberals hate conservatives so much they can't see that when it comes to this they are our greatest friends.

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Beatrice Nora Caflun's avatar

Wonderful, funny article....thank you so much......It seems like people forgot WW2 and September 11.....we need to educate them about History, so they stop believing all the lies and distortion of Zionism, Israel and Jews. Am Israel Chai.....

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Steven Brizel's avatar

Welcome to the world of those who have woken up and smelled the aroma of the proverbial coffee known as woke oriented anti Semitism However such sentiments are not supported by those who are political and cultural conservatives except for those who are the successors of Pat Buchanan

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Alison Cipriani's avatar

Excellent fun piece but I would just say that Chabad is extremely tolerant. I have been davening at Chabad of Alexandria VA, not exactly a bastion of Jewry for a couple of years now and am frequently impressed with their attitude. Something is better than nothing is their attitude. Living in Israel I always felt one in a large family. Now in the diaspora it's more difficult but I agree with you that we all need to cling to each other regardless of the level of religious observation.

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Mike's avatar

Thank you for your beautifully written story, it moved my old swedish heart. I’m not an ”educated”(indoctrinated..?) man but always been reading of interest and curiousity, especially history. Sweden is too poisoned by islam and its useful idiots. I truly believe in Jesus Christ but am done with organized ”christianity”. Wish I could be helpful in other ways than little economic support for terror victims in Israel. My prayers may seen pathetic to you but what can I do..?

Bless you and jewish people all around💙🇮🇱🤍💖🩵❤️

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Laura's avatar

Find work outside of "progressive" institutions. Those people are horrid.

Your barber is right about keeping muslims out of America and also about how a transgender person would be treated in Gaza or anywhere else in the muslim world.

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"Is this who’s going to live in my shtetl?3 Is it going to be me, the xenophobic misgendering barber, and the Marathon Drinkers — just because we are all Jews"?

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Thea van Steenderen's avatar

Thank you for your insightful article. Living in South Africa it's not easy to express pro Israeli feelings. I'm sure you are aware that our government reported Israel to the ICC. Our population is mostly uneducated and only sees South African news. Due to propaganda the Israelis are seen as suppressors of darker people, and therefore linked to the previous Apartheid government. Even among my white friends there have developed a definite anti-Israeli sentiment because of the children in Gaza and Lebanon. I don't understand why the Israeli government put on more of a show of where the rockets found their targets, and your own people getting injured and carried off to hospitals - the wounded and killed soldiers, and more emphasis on the brutality of the 7 October attack. Why not wage an internet war on Islam and their stance on LGBTQ, and their total disregard for women? Yes people know all that, but it is the repetition of that information that can change people's minds. Why not name and shame Hamas supporters who are with the press in Gaza etc? I feel for you, I really do. May God bless you all.

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Nancy F's avatar

Really heart warming. Thank you

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Jewish Grandmother's avatar

We have had very different experiences, Hana. Since converting in 1978, I have had the blessing of being embraced by Jewish communities in Toronto; in three small towns in the American Midwest; in Bogotá, Colombia; in Gainesville, FL; and now in Vancouver. After October 7th I felt almost too insulated, so I decided to shine my Jewish star in non-Jewish spheres as well, principally by volunteering. To keep my personal shtetl from becoming a ghetto, I wear my Jewishness proudly in every setting.

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Laura's avatar

No, this country isn't "really racist". It's the least racist country and the most pro-Israel. You still carry the brainwashing that "progressives" have indoctrinated you with. The last year surely must have awakened you to what evil, marxist liars they are. Ironically, "progressives" are the most racist and antisemitic monsters. The devout Christians on the other hand, are the most supportive of us.

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"I tried living in many other parts of the United States, but this country is really racist. And Christian".

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Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

Enjoyed this immensely, from/frum(?) a fellow Brooklynite! (that is until 18 months ago, enuf was enuf! We left! MyGrunts had set up tents in McCarren Park which turned inta needle park strewn with doity diapers & discarded "covid" masks--where more MyGrunts threw GLASS bottles at each other right outside the midtown studio where my younger one took her voice lessons, an' while we covered our noses when homeless bared all an' took dumps outside the ballet school at Lincoln Center--plus we got tired of runin' outta train cars in the subway when yet another person went off their rocker so...BASTA!)

We had already transplanted to Greenpoint from the LES (later Chinatown) about 16 years 'fore recently leavin' NYC fer the boonies (both of us parents unemployed thanks ta not compyin' with either the mandates nor the dystopian Empire Pass like yer adorable barber who, imho, is keerect, that goils are goils an' boys are boys an' the rest is a screwed up moove-mint read Abigail Shrier you'll thank me later--but we kin disagree... this from an "acteur" who could care less whose gay but I'm not so keen on kids gettin' their giblets hacked off--but anywhoo...)

YES we are all joos an' our gran'parents were right--they experienced, they knew (nu?) an' we were all so LUCKY to have lived in world where we were among lansman an' others who didn't give a hoot. I have 2 quibbles with ya (minor but wurth notin'):

1. loved that ya danced w/ the chabbadnik--they always nailed me outside'a Bryant Park--they KNOW (no chai or necklace needed ;-)...my quibble is that the idear they are harsh judges of all of us not so frum--totally NOT my experience! When my kiddos were little we went to many free chabad events an' felt no pressure, we have a friend who is an artist (purdy secular joo) an' she collaborated with chabad on a HUGE menorah commission piece an' my fam attended the openin' an' it was "everyone" from the neib--a blast--an' our friend shared with us lovely chats she had with the chabaddians that commished her work... so as they say when ya buy a vacuum "your experience may differ"... OH an' we used ta go ta Lee Ave fer brisket, appetizin'--NEVER treated poorly... so it went... so judge LIGHTLY as not "vise" ta point fingers (enuf haters doin' that, no?) yes...

2. This bugged me as not troo: "but this country is really racist." No. It ain't. I left the left some time ago an' (hold onta yer socks) I know many black & hispanic "trumpers" -- white too -- an' many on the "Right" in general an' the lies the MSM has fed to the DemoCraps about RepublicCons are baloney (kosher or not). They WANT ta divide an' conquer but the most biased (bi-assed) fools were all wrapped up with the DEI malarkey.. NOT the folks in red hats an' white sneakers. An' ya said... " And Christian." -- this too. I too preferred ta live where joos were like..everywhar but when circumstances changed, I'll tell ya it's not the worst thing at all! I've always had puhlenty of non-jooish friends... livin' among 'em--it's OK. Even if I miss bein' "home" among those of da tribe.

The Christians (most I'd say!) are not haters of joos at all! Our fam (we homeschool) is now surrounded with Christian famblies, decent Americans. Yer keffiyey-wearin' SJWs (includin', whatta shonda, many jooish ones) are far more of a problem than our fellow Christians (for the most part, sure there are exceptions)... I'll add that the Evangelicals are VERY pro-joo, pro Israel. We now live in the upstate BOONIES 'bout 7 hours from NYShitty an' the ONLY Israeli flags out here (in what I call "the land with no gefilte aisle") are flown by evangelicals an' it makes me smile when I see 'em on lawns, in windas... Thou' shall not misjudge those who might be allies!

My younger daughter's friends told us Prospect Park was recently on fire (literally she said "Why is my park on fire?") As if there wasn't enuf ta worry about?

Anywhoo...a velly nice piece an' funny too!

To end with a quote that kinda brings us all together (in one proverbial meltin' pot), the Christians say "Ye shall know them by their fruits" (thankfully they aren't talkin' bout pineapples at the greengrocer but'bout judgin' character" an' I'll make a chewish riff on that... "Ye shall know them by their HAIR!" (mine grows horizontal too ha ha!) An' that goes fer all of us in the "hair" club no matter what aisle they shop in (politically 'er otherwayz) ;-)

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