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Steven Brizel's avatar

Biden withheld resupply of 11 weapons systems while assuring us that talk is cheap and appeasing his far left base Trump always stood by Israel

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Les Vitailles's avatar

I'm only familiar with withholding the supply of Mk 84 2,000lb bombs but no others, although it's possible they were slow-walked through Pentagon bureaucracy rather that rushed in.

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Andrew Ml.'s avatar

Biden and Obama sent literal pallets of cash to Iran, but I am supposed to worry about Trump because he said something nice about a bad person. Keep burying your head in the sand as the Democrats that lead America's cities and universities let Hamas proponents execute pogroms and desecrate American symbols without any consequences.

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Boris Doyle's avatar

Sounds like scaremongering.

The old, "all politicians are the same" narrative in the hope people don't grasp that one is really a better option than the other.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

This article will stand as an example of how American Jews tried to delude themselves about the rampant and widespread antisemitism in the Democratic Party and to find excuses to follow it sheepishly wherever it leads.

JD Vance has correctly pointed out that the US needs allies that can contribute to the defense of the West, not client states that need constant support. Hence he opposes aid to Ukraine but supports Israel, which has demonstrated its ability to hold its end of the Middle East and help US allies like UAE and Saudi Arabia.

As for politicians dropping Israel if it suits them: grow up! It's been two centuries since Lord Palmerston pointed out that countries don't have permanent alliances, only permanent interests. That's why the US kept a full arms embargo against Israel until 1968 but made it a Strategic Partner when Reagan became President.

As long as Israel has a powerful high tech economy and first rate military, it will have an American alliance... unless ideologically obsessed antisemitic Democrats take over and ignore US interests.

The Putin play was tried in 2016 and is getting old: there's nothing to like in Putin but even less in Zelensky's Ukraine. It was the Jewish president of Ukraine who went to Turkey to free the officers of the neo-Nazi Azov Movement, bring them back in his own plane, and award them the Order of Boghdan Khmelnitsky, right by Stepan Bandera Avenue in Kiev. If you don't recognize those names, you know nothing of today's Ukraine.

From the Atlantic Council in 2021:

www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/the-azov-regiment-has-not-depoliticized/

PS Trump 2024 all the way!!!

PPS JD Vance's chief of staff is Jewish: https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-812725

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Michal Shalon's avatar

Thanks for this! Now I don't have to formulate a comment! Totally agree.

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Susan Hirshorn's avatar

Great info - thanks!

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Susan Hirshorn's avatar

At the outset I was suspicious of the Ukraine for a few reasons. One, for a while there was a lot of talk about how corrupt their government was. Two, I don't forget what barbarians the Ukrainians were during WW2. As bad or worse than the Nazis in terms of mass killings of Jews. Three, both sets of grandparents escaped Ukrainian pogroms. (In one case my grandfather had to bribe a soldier not to shoot them as they were crossing a river to escape. The soldier did his "part" by still shooting but not directly at them!) Also, it seems the Ukraine was part of Russia at certain times and not part of Russia at other periods. To me this is an internal war between the two countries that's gone on for centuries! Why are we getting involved now?

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Les Vitailles's avatar

I kept track of Ukraine through Times of Israel, which had articles long before the invasion on the glorification of Nazi collaborators and the growth and influence of neo-Nazi groups.

This was exemplified by Zelensky's address to the Canadian Parliament, when the speaker pointed to a Ukrainian guest in the gallery who “had been fighting Russians for 80 years”. It took the AP two minutes to find out he was a member of SS Galizia Division and had extensive recent posts on Ukrainian neo-Nazi sites.

It would be great if both sides lost the war.

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Susan Hirshorn's avatar

I also heard Vance's views about the Ukraine war and the difference between helping Israel and helping the Ukraine. I hope Trump allows him to speak at length about foreign policy. He is very intelligent and articulate. He shouldn't only be used as Trump's "good old boy" to land the swing states. Also, it occurred to me that the European fear of Putin invading Nato countries seems far-fetched. First, if Putin wanted to invade, say, Poland - he wouldn't have to absorb the Ukraine to do it. He could attack by air. Secondly, Putin's ambitions have been stated clearly. He wants territory that at one time was part of Russia - namely the Crimea and the Ukraine - to form a new "Russian" empire. While I can understand why that would give the West the jitters, every super power is expanding its reach and Putin doesn't want Russia to fall behind. It seems to me that if Putin would agree not to meddle in the Middle East, the US might agree to stop meddling in the Ukraine. Don't know whether this is feasible. What do you think?

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Les Vitailles's avatar

After the performance the Russian army has put in Ukraine, they're in no condition to fight Poland. Just last year Poland ordered, among other things, 1,000 Korean K2 tanks and 300 US M1s, which will leave them with a tank force 5 times larger than Germany's.

If Putin wanted to restore the Russian Empire, much easier and more lucrative to get back Central Asia and the Caucasus.

I hope there will be a Kissinger type statesman in the next administration that will focus on breaking up the Russian Chinese alliance.

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Laura's avatar

Ukraine isn't the same country it was during WW2. Right now, it's Russia which flirts with neo-nazis. https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis

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Les Vitailles's avatar

Nope, many Russian neo-Nazis defected to Ukraine in 2014, led by the Wotan Jugend group

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/09/04/the-hardcore-russian-neo-nazi-group-that-calls-ukraine-home/

Plenty of streets in Ukraine, starting with Stepan Bandera Avenue in Kiev, named after Nazi collaborators. Plus, of course, Ukraine Post commemorative stamp issue for the 75th anniversary of the creation of the Ukrainian SS Galizia Division.

Nothing on that scale in Russia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Monument_in_Netanya

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Mary Sholl's avatar

Short sighted and full of nonsense. There is no end to the damage Kamala Harris can do. Her stupidity could lead to death and destruction for Israel And the Jewish people. Trump is a manager and he manages tyrants like Erdogan, etc. and he protects Israel. And you sir are an ego and ideologically driven idiot who can’t see anything beyond his narrow focus. Get your head out of the nether regions. This isn’t about your feeeeeeeelings. It’s about keeping the world and Israel alive.

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Susan Hirshorn's avatar

Jewish sages were pretty savvy about government. Consider two pieces of advice they offer in Ethics Of The Fathers before casting your vote. One item is: “Pray for the integrity of the government; for were it not for the fear of its authority, a man would swallow his neighbor alive.”

Another is to “Be careful with the government, for they befriend a person only for their own needs. They appear to be friends when it is beneficial to them, but they do not stand by a person at the time of his distress.”

With respect to the first one we should ask “which party will best uphold law and order?” The answer to this is – hands down –Trump and the Republican party. Trump did more to secure America’s borders than any president in quite a while. The Dems – especially Kamala Harris - are notorious for their open border policies, defunding the police, easy bail for violent criminals and for encouraging violent protests such as occurred during the so-called “summer of love”; where homes and property were damaged by leftist activists.

Which brings us to the second piece of advice, which essentially warns “don’t trust government” – any government – to be our friend. American Jews who were staunch Democrats learned this (or should have) with the Biden administration. Israel can expect even worse treatment with a Harris administration. Even JFK – who spoke in loving terms about Israel – didn’t want us to have a nuclear reactor. Too bad. We got it from France.

GOP presidents weren’t always our friend either with the exception of Trump. Check it out for yourself by downloading the book “US Presidents vis-à-vis Israel – 75 years of history” at https://herutna.org/

Don’t get me wrong. Trump will always put US interests first. He should. But his goal of making Israel a partner with Sunni Arab nations in an alliance to police the region is in Israel’s interest too. Plus, I don’t think Trump is interested in micro-managing the IDF, as Biden was. And he is likely to stop Iran before they nuke someone. Don’t be freaked out by “isolationist” rhetoric from some parts of the GOP. It’s usually not anti-Semitic. Many American died or were disabled while fighting in foreign wars. As long as Israel keeps US boots off the ground and can show we’re not taking “charity” when it comes to munitions - we’ll get support from this crowd.

Nevertheless Trump is unpredictable. His choice of black American pals – like anti-Semite Kanye West – is worrisome. Plus it took a backlash of Jewish Trump supporters to cancel Jew-hater Candace Owen’s participation in a recent fundraiser about bitcoin or something. Trump is desperate for black votes and isn’t always prudent about getting them.

For now, my money’s on Trump because the alternative is like voting for a member of the Squad. But I will be keeping our sages’ advice in mind. So should you.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

"GOP presidents weren’t always our friend either with the exception of Trump"

And Ronald Reagan, who elevated Israel to the role of Strategic Partner.

In practical terms that meant US arms sales to Israel would no longer be limited to just what was needed for Israel's defense but instead would allow Israel to become a regional powerhouse. That's how Israel was able to build the world's second largest fleet of F16s, second only to the USAF.

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Susan Hirshorn's avatar

Yes but download the book I mentioned (it's free!). Not all GOP presidents were so nice with Israel. Point is: we can't depend on any party to be our friend. For too long American Jews blindly followed the Democrats. Let's not make the same mistake with Republicans.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

That's true, Reagan was great for Israel, Bush Sr was not (and got me voting Democratic in 1992 and 1996). But his son, George W., was a strong Israel supporter, I was so surprised.

Political parties change and the Democratic Party is no longer that of Bill Clinton or JFK, just as the Republican Party is no longer that of Eisenhower or Ford.

Trump's influence on the Republican Party may be as long-lasting as Goldwater's and that will be good for Israel. As is the growing Evangelical movement in the US, Brazil and sub-Saharan Africa

https://cufi.org/

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Mary Sholl's avatar

This is a completely stupid article.

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Rauvan M Averick's avatar

It is the rock and a hard place scenario. January 6 was an awful assault in American democracy. On the other hand, ever since October 7, there has been an ongoing January 6 from the radical left, with people somehow worshiping an Islamic theocracy in Gaza, and calling for Death to America, defacing government property and synagogues, breaking into government and university buildings, and demanding the silencing of those oppose them.

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Richard Brannin's avatar

I disagree with your analysis of Trump. The Democrats favor Iran, Obama’s policy. They have financed Iran, weaken our military, and spent us into a threatening debt, along with Republican help. Democrats policy is happy with death to Israel and America. I will be voting for Trump who I despise as a person but be is better for the fight against Islam’s war against the West.

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Good Humor by CK Steefel's avatar

We only have past actions to count on. Trump was a great friend to Israel while Biden withheld arms and he and Kamala climbed the Ceasefire, not proportional bandwagon. If Biden had told college deans supporting jihadis that they would no longer receive federal funds the encampments would have been gone in five minutes. Dems are weak, have no integrity and pander to their far left supporters.

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

One important thing you forgot to mention is that Kamala is married to a practicing Jew who has demonstrated time and time again his deep love for Israel. Moreover she is seriously considering Gov. Shapiro as a running mate. If that happens this would be the 1st time in history that a Jew would be 2nd in command in the United States

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Les Vitailles's avatar

"Kamala is married to a practicing Jew who has demonstrated time and time again his deep love for Israel"

A practicing Jew... who thinks Hanukah celebrates Jews lost in the desert whose oil lasted longer and whose daughter, Ella, raises funds for Gaza, UNRWA and a Hamas -tainted charity PCF?

Will the gaslighting of the Jewish community not stop even when Democrats are rampaging in the streets against Jews and only Republicans like Ron DeSantis raise their voices to protect Jews?

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

One thing is certain you will NEVER hear her say “They were good people on both sides” when it comes to Neo Nazis the rest you mentioned is Fake Fox News and we can disagree on what the best long term policy would be best for Israel hopefully without Bibi!

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Les Vitailles's avatar

[Since you duplicated your comment, I duplicate my reply]

Left-wing fact-checker Snopes has confirmed Trump's "good people" comment was not referring to neo-Nazis:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

While Democrats constantly refer to "good people" in Israel and Hamas when they speak about the "cycle of violence"

Here's some real news about Ella Emhoff, the Gaza supporting daughter of Kamala Harris' Jewish husband:

https://forward.com/fast-forward/593600/ella-emhoff-harris-unrwa-gaza/

Apparently the ostrich strategy of burying one's head in the sand continues unabated

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Susan Hirshorn's avatar

Well said!

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

One thing is certain you will NEVER hear her say “They were good people on both sides” when it comes to Neo Nazis the rest you mentioned is Fake Fox News and we can disagree on what the best long term policy would be best for Israel hopefully without Bibi!

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Les Vitailles's avatar

Left-wing fact-checker Snopes has confirmed Trump's "good people" comment was not referring to neo-Nazis:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

While Democrats constantly refer to "good people" in Israel and Hamas when they speak about the "cycle of violence"

Here's some real news about Ella Emhoff, the Gaza supporting daughter of Kamala Harris' Jewish husband:

https://forward.com/fast-forward/593600/ella-emhoff-harris-unrwa-gaza/

Apparently the ostrich strategy of burying one's head in the sand continues unabated

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Gemna's avatar

"When the Abraham Accords were threatened by Netanyahu’s promise to settler leaders to annex the West Bank, Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner humiliated Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer and forced Bibi to renege on his annexation promise"

That the worst you got? Pretty sure a large portion of Israelis are cool with Abraham Accords in place of annexing the West Bank.

Meanwhile, Democratic policy on Iran has brought Israel to the terrible situation it's in today. And if more weapons shipments are withheld Israel's situation will grow even more dire.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

Netanyahu had plenty of opportunity to annex the West Bank but never did.

The promise to do so just before the Abraham Accords seems like a ruse to manufacture a concession UAE could brag about to its population as a benefit of signing.

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Gemna's avatar

Yes, I have thought, that, too. UAE had to have something to say to the rest of the Arab world.

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

Apparently not! Hence the startup was only in effect several years later one must agree, per your own recent findings, This coincided with Bibi being in power only then and thanks the right shared Coalition government only then he was he able to take fully advantage of it, would not happen today with the bunch of wingnuts he associated himself with. Unfortunately, he is still a disgrace and a big disappointment to the State of Israel, and he must go now!

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

" In the early 80's" The internet was not even an idea in someone's mind lol, computers were being used as word processors! We had the MS-DOS System please do you own research and see for yourself: look up what the Macintosh looked like then. As for all the previous wars Iran was not at our doorstep the way it is now, and other Arab neighbors did not have Drones or any sophisticated arms anyhow that was then, and this is now. Even if any of what you are saying would be correct which it is not, no previous deed can absolve the corruption of Bibi and the harm and division he has cause amongst the Jewish people and the vulnerable state he is leaving the country in.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

Intel was founded in 1968 and created the first microchips in the early 1970s. **You*" might have had MS DOS in the 1980s but I had Berkeley Unix, the first operating system to integrate a networking stack, TCP/IP into the kernel. I used it not for word processing but for calculating Rayleigh jump conditions for supersonic shocks.

Xerox PARC was founded in late 1960s and by 1980 had developed Ethernet, the first local area network, and the first graphical interface, including the mouse input in use today.

The Internet was from late 1960s DARPA research and Eric Schmidt's PhD at Berkeley, 1982, was the File Transfer Protocol (ftp) used today. That's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, as you probably don't know, and was intended to create a survivable network for military use, as opposed to the circuit-switched telephone network.

In 1968 Arab armies had Soviet T54 tanks, as advanced as the best Israeli Centurion ones and much better than WW2 Sherman tanks still used in Israel. In 1973 Syrian tanks had night vision sights which Israel could not afford.

You don't seem to be very knowledgeable about computers, software, military equipment. Let me assist: Abraham Rabinovich "The Yom Kippur War". The Unix/Linux stuff and software is likely beyond you.

PS stop liking your own posts, it's so easy to check

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

You started trying to sell me the idea that Bibi changed the economy of Israel from agriculture to "startup nation in the early 80"s", I then pointed out to you that he was only able to do it when he was in Power later as even the internet was not around then in the early 80's. Then you come back at me with some cockamamie oddball source from the same BS sources you always rely on showing me they had computers then. I told you no deflections, facts or lies or good deeds can absolve Netanyahu for the damage and peril he has put Israel in, period end of subject. You will not convince me nor 70% of the Israelis citizens otherwise, his days are numbered and as for Kamala please look at the polls every day from now to up to election day they will continue rising, sorry to break it to you but it is time to face the music and get used to it and I promise you she has Israel best interest at heart as well :) unlike her opponent who only care about putting his name on a Dubai Tower and will sell the Jews to the highest bidder be it Puttin or Quatar goodbye!

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Les Vitailles's avatar

The Internet dates from the late 1960s; here's a reference even you should understand

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

And here's Marshall Kirk McKusick’s history of Berkeley Unix from the late 1970s

https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/open-sources/1565925823/ch04.html

As explained, high tech startups in software and Internet were prevalent in the late 1970s in the US. Netanyahu's financial reforms made them take root in Israel. Similar reforms did not happen in the EU so that it lags behind Israel in high tech.

PS still liking your own posts? It's embarrassing ... and pathetic. Doesn't anyone else like what you write?

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

Internet was NOT operational in the 60's, didn't become prevalent and readily available until the beginning of the 21st century, at the start of 2009, some 63 Israeli companies were listed on the NASDAQ that is when the phrase start-up nation was coined and please stop spreading garbage and spewing alternative facts, we know this is what you guys were good at, but we caught on and it no longer works and btw I already said goodbye!

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Les Vitailles's avatar

PS Found a link to Andrew Tannenbaum's "Computer Networks", first edition 1981

https://books.google.com/books/about/Computer_networks.html?id=rPtSAAAAMAAJ

Enjoy! It's not as hard is it looks if you have a good scientific, quantitative background...

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Les Vitailles's avatar

Netscape, the first web browser, was out in 1995

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape

Of course, the Internet was widely used before then as one could do file transfers, email and query remote databases without web browsers.

Netscape’s Chief Architect, Marc Andereesen is now partner at Andreessen & Horowitz VC.

The patent lawyers that worked with me were technically knowledgeable but this must not extend to most lawyers, apparently.

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blackdog1955's avatar

You're nuts if you think jews won't get screwed no matter what side we choose. Time to arm up and circle the wagons.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

" Time to arm up and circle the wagons"

That said, pick the side that will protect your Second Amendment rights

https://jewscanshoot.org/

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

One thing is certain you will NEVER hear her say “They were good people on both sides” when it comes to Neo Nazis the rest you mentioned is Fake Fox News and we can disagree on what the best long term policy would be best for Israel hopefully without Bibi!

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Les Vitailles's avatar

[Since you triplicated your comment, I triplicate my reply]

Left-wing fact-checker Snopes has confirmed Trump's "good people" comment was not referring to neo-Nazis:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

While Democrats constantly refer to "good people" in Israel and Hamas when they speak about the "cycle of violence"

Here's some real news about Ella Emhoff, the Gaza supporting daughter of Kamala Harris' Jewish husband:

https://forward.com/fast-forward/593600/ella-emhoff-harris-unrwa-gaza/

Apparently the ostrich strategy of burying one's head in the sand continues unabated

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

snopes.com + forward.com seriously!? I rest my case! lol So many Jews have children who abhor Netanyahu and how he has put Israel in great danger and divided the country they love and want him out! Why don't we start with that? This doesn't mean you love Israel more than them

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Les Vitailles's avatar

So fake news, like cheap fake videos (remember those?)... Your case is in no condition to rest in the shape it's in

Why don't you check out Ella Emhoff's Instagram page, linked in the Forward article and see for yourself, directly from her?

Netanyahu has flaws, like other leaders but he also made two of Israel's greatest successes: as Finance Minister he laid the deregulation that created Startup Nation and as PM, he resisted constant pressure to create a Palestinian state.

I remember the Labor governments that had as their goal an Israeli socialist economy focused on agriculture...

And a Palestinian state with direct large-scale imports from Iran would be a nightmare.

BTW, is Rafael Advanced Defense Ltd also fake news?

https://www.rafael.co.il/system/rocks/

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Serge D. Krawiecki Gazes's avatar

Maybe you are not old enough to remember The tech evolution nation was a recent phenomenon barely in existence when Israel was still successfully relying on agriculture. Though none of it is relevant as Israel confronts the largest existential threat it has ever faced, fighting both the south and the north simultaneously. while isolating itself from the whole world. Better reflect on the policies that brough us here and who is at fault and maybe you will see the light!

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Les Vitailles's avatar

“as Israel confronts the largest existential threat it has ever faced, fighting both the south and t…”

You need to study history more deeply: the Six Day War was fought against enemies in the South, West and North, quite successfully.

The Yom Kippur War was fought, successfully too, against enemies in the South and North.

The tech revolution was in full swing in the early 1980s and Netanyahu’s 1996 reforms allowed Israel to participate fully. Lack of similar reforms in France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Germany left them far behind.

That’s why Israel attracts more high-tech venture capital than the EU combined. Well done, Bibi!

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