Germany’s denazification after World War Two is often cited as the model example. But what exactly did it involve, how was it implemented, and did it succeed?
In 1945, the West was led by Churchill, Roosevelt and Truman. Now, the West is led by a collection of Neville Chamberlains.
Israel should conduct its own war crimes trial. While Hamas leaders like Sinwar and Deif were eliminated, put captured Hamas leaders on trial - play the GoPro videos, publicize Hamas documents. Try Lazzirini in absentia as the Allies did with Martin Bormann. Expose UNRWA for being complicit in terror. And, for those who are worried that the world will see these trials as illegitimate or Zionist propaganda, so what. The world bashed Israel for putting Eichmann on trial.
Excellent article, and also addressing some hard truths (ie that the de-Nazification wasn't really completed properly).
One thing to ponder, though, is that at the end of WW2, we had some strong Leaders, REAL Leaders who did not flinch from taking some very strong actions.
Not only do we not possess such Leaders today (except in Israel), but far worse, we have creatures like the UN, the ICC, the ICJ, the EU, the ECHR, UNRWA etc etc.
And we have human rights lawyers.
Additionally, whereas in 1945 and immediately post-war,the indescribable horrors and atrocities of the Holocaust were not disputed, today there is a totally inadequate admission of the 7 October Pogrom - in fact we have some MSM outlets pushing an inversion similar to complaints that might have suggested Rudolf Höss was misunderstood and actually did far more good than harm. Imagine escaped Nazis in Argentina forming a media group publishing material stating everything was the fault of the Jews . . .
I sometimes seriously think that Israel is one of the very few remaining outposts of common sense, let alone genuine morality.
The denazification of Germany was largely due to the complete surrender of Germany in WWII. Not mentioned in this excellent essay was the remarkable change in governance and attitude that also resulted after Japan's defeat and complete surrender. Rather than seeking future retribution by a warrior society against the enemy that firebombed Tokyo and nuked Hiroshima and Nakasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, Japan changed governance and attitude towards the west, and especially towards America. This could never have occurred with a negotiated peace, only through complete victory and total surrender, which required brutality in ending the war.
How to deradicalize the Arab world from the Islamist brain rot that Islam has indoctrinated the Muslim population since the 7th C CE, is a question to which no one yet has a definitive answer.
The only process/strategy that actually worked was showing Muslims that islam was immoral. 50% of Muslims were totaklly swayed by that.
Find Muslims who have abandoned Islam and they will tell you that.
If Trump is able to get rid of the evil Regime in Iran, you will see the majority in an entire nation turn against Islam as they have lived under a regime totally lacking in morals.
Hope we don't have to wait long for that top occcur in Iran.
Excellent perspectives. Thank you! May such measures begin. Soon.
(And I notice that you have a number of typos. One that changes meaning is in the paragraph that says: “Survivors of forced labor and concentration camps occasionally exacted their own justice. This violence was not policy, but the Allies showed literal interest in stopping it.” I think you mean *little, not *literal.)
Excellent article (and the last three paragraphs get at the heart of the problem). The United Arab Emirates have been dealing with de-nazification rather well; first and foremost, they forbid toxic Islamist teaching or spreading propaganda of Jew hate (and any other group hate) and they promote peace and coexistence instead of martyrdom. They go after violators quite strongly. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan have already taken steps toward the United Arab Emirates model of ideological change. Of course, those countries don't have to deal with First Amendment/free speech issues, which is why we are seeing nazi-like teaching and propaganda spreading rapidly in America and throughout the West. As one UAE official said a couple of years ago, "It is now safer to be a visible Jew in the UAE than it is to be a visible Jew in New York City." I expect Western countries will be far more "nazi" than the Arab countries within 10-15 years.
I expect Western countries will be far more "nazi"
In the United States most of these "nazis" go by the name Democrats. Nothing nazi about them - they are true Communists allied with Islam.
Then you have the Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens crowd of the Woke Reich. They have no home and will soon disappear. Fuentes admires Josef Stalin. He's crazy.
Not sure Carlson and his ilk will disappear. Some are chattering about starting their own party (if they can't take over the Republicans) and running something like a Carlson/Marjorie Taylor Greene ticket.
I'm going strictly off the various Jew Hater posts and pages I see on FB and Instagram, etc. Their followers are the ones floating the ideas of who they should run UNLESS JD Vance joins "their" side. Some even like the idea of Cenk Uygur as a VP pick, which is so appalling. It's all appalling.
true about the Republican party. Three decades ago, the party had to do a purge and "throw out" David Duke and his ilk. They have not yet done the purge they need to do NOW: JD Vance has refused to disavow Tucker Carlson (who supported Nick Fuentes) and is down-playing the growing anti-Israel/Jew hater factions in the party and even the Heritage Foundation is hesitant to call it out. (The reason is because the Repubs want to keep a "big tent" and not alienate any voters--but the problem with that is that by keeping the haters in the party, they risk losing many many OTHER voters and many in the party are being very vocal about the need to do this purge and before it causes an even bigger rift in the party). (Those same antisemitic groups/voices are also trying to tear down Turning Point USA for NOT coming out against Israel and they claim TPUSA is being bought out by Jewish influence).
Excellent overview of what happened in post-war Germany, however I see almost zero chance of anything like this working in Gaza for two main reasons - 1) there is little-to-no international support for such an endeavor, and in fact there would likely be a tremendous amount of pressure from all the usual suspects (UN, NGOs, etc.) to stop any such efforts. 2) the ideology of this death cult is shared (to varying degrees) throughout over 50 countries and among approximately 1/4 of the world’s population.
We may yet be able to achieve such a feat, but I suspect it won’t happen until after WWIII.
Thank you for this very much need information. It's going to take a lot more work to deradicalize the Palestinian people and with the West's approach, it may only serve to strengthen their ideology.
First, a minor miss of an autocorrect error, where you said "This violence was not policy, but the Allies showed literal interest in stopping it." Probably you meant little and not literal.
I am currently reading The Jews of Berlin and what is abundantly clear is that many Jews were helped and saved by German civilians. Nobody helped us in Gaza even after a bounty was promised and several hostages said that Hamas actually protected them from the mob. It's going to be very difficult to change that mind set.
Such a smart and important article. One comment though: "Yet it was also unmistakably victor’s justice. The Allied forces’ bombing campaigns were exempt from scrutiny; Soviet atrocities were excluded altogether. The law was real, but it was not universal."
Well of course it was victor's justice. What else should it be? Thank goodness the good guys won. Do we think the bad guys, had they won, would have done better or worse? You start a war, you lose, you suffer the consequences. That is, in part, deterrence. Something the West seems to have forgotten.
Are we perfect? Far from it. But there is no perfection. And from what I've been reading lately some experts explicitly warn that it is the hard-core idealists in history who think they can create a utopia, who have been the worst killers. We have to realize that humans are barely changeable and they are certainly not perfectible.
Unless you’re being or about to be murdered. Read the Talmud, Torah, Palms etc,all permit proportionate self defense. You prefer the Jew as Victim? How’s that worked in history?
Hamas has been monitored by us in London in Alliance with the Re-formed Nazi Party here in London from 2014. The Islamism of Gadaffi has been formally in the Triple Alliance between Duke’s White Supremacism and Farrakhan’s Black Nationalists since the early 1980’s. This has also been extensively monitored too.
In 1945, the West was led by Churchill, Roosevelt and Truman. Now, the West is led by a collection of Neville Chamberlains.
Israel should conduct its own war crimes trial. While Hamas leaders like Sinwar and Deif were eliminated, put captured Hamas leaders on trial - play the GoPro videos, publicize Hamas documents. Try Lazzirini in absentia as the Allies did with Martin Bormann. Expose UNRWA for being complicit in terror. And, for those who are worried that the world will see these trials as illegitimate or Zionist propaganda, so what. The world bashed Israel for putting Eichmann on trial.
Excellent article, and also addressing some hard truths (ie that the de-Nazification wasn't really completed properly).
One thing to ponder, though, is that at the end of WW2, we had some strong Leaders, REAL Leaders who did not flinch from taking some very strong actions.
Not only do we not possess such Leaders today (except in Israel), but far worse, we have creatures like the UN, the ICC, the ICJ, the EU, the ECHR, UNRWA etc etc.
And we have human rights lawyers.
Additionally, whereas in 1945 and immediately post-war,the indescribable horrors and atrocities of the Holocaust were not disputed, today there is a totally inadequate admission of the 7 October Pogrom - in fact we have some MSM outlets pushing an inversion similar to complaints that might have suggested Rudolf Höss was misunderstood and actually did far more good than harm. Imagine escaped Nazis in Argentina forming a media group publishing material stating everything was the fault of the Jews . . .
I sometimes seriously think that Israel is one of the very few remaining outposts of common sense, let alone genuine morality.
The denazification of Germany was largely due to the complete surrender of Germany in WWII. Not mentioned in this excellent essay was the remarkable change in governance and attitude that also resulted after Japan's defeat and complete surrender. Rather than seeking future retribution by a warrior society against the enemy that firebombed Tokyo and nuked Hiroshima and Nakasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, Japan changed governance and attitude towards the west, and especially towards America. This could never have occurred with a negotiated peace, only through complete victory and total surrender, which required brutality in ending the war.
This is exactly what so many refuse to (or cannot) acknowledge - that total victory (including a real surrender) is the necessary first step.
Yes yes yes!
Required reading by Trump's "Board of Peace".
How to deradicalize the Arab world from the Islamist brain rot that Islam has indoctrinated the Muslim population since the 7th C CE, is a question to which no one yet has a definitive answer.
There was a study done as to how to do just that.
The only process/strategy that actually worked was showing Muslims that islam was immoral. 50% of Muslims were totaklly swayed by that.
Find Muslims who have abandoned Islam and they will tell you that.
If Trump is able to get rid of the evil Regime in Iran, you will see the majority in an entire nation turn against Islam as they have lived under a regime totally lacking in morals.
Hope we don't have to wait long for that top occcur in Iran.
Excellent perspectives. Thank you! May such measures begin. Soon.
(And I notice that you have a number of typos. One that changes meaning is in the paragraph that says: “Survivors of forced labor and concentration camps occasionally exacted their own justice. This violence was not policy, but the Allies showed literal interest in stopping it.” I think you mean *little, not *literal.)
Excellent article (and the last three paragraphs get at the heart of the problem). The United Arab Emirates have been dealing with de-nazification rather well; first and foremost, they forbid toxic Islamist teaching or spreading propaganda of Jew hate (and any other group hate) and they promote peace and coexistence instead of martyrdom. They go after violators quite strongly. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan have already taken steps toward the United Arab Emirates model of ideological change. Of course, those countries don't have to deal with First Amendment/free speech issues, which is why we are seeing nazi-like teaching and propaganda spreading rapidly in America and throughout the West. As one UAE official said a couple of years ago, "It is now safer to be a visible Jew in the UAE than it is to be a visible Jew in New York City." I expect Western countries will be far more "nazi" than the Arab countries within 10-15 years.
I expect Western countries will be far more "nazi"
In the United States most of these "nazis" go by the name Democrats. Nothing nazi about them - they are true Communists allied with Islam.
Then you have the Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens crowd of the Woke Reich. They have no home and will soon disappear. Fuentes admires Josef Stalin. He's crazy.
Not sure Carlson and his ilk will disappear. Some are chattering about starting their own party (if they can't take over the Republicans) and running something like a Carlson/Marjorie Taylor Greene ticket.
Alex and George Soros et. al. would pay Carlson $500 million to start a 3rd party in a heartbeat so I agree you may be correct
I'm going strictly off the various Jew Hater posts and pages I see on FB and Instagram, etc. Their followers are the ones floating the ideas of who they should run UNLESS JD Vance joins "their" side. Some even like the idea of Cenk Uygur as a VP pick, which is so appalling. It's all appalling.
I suppose if your #1 Issue is for Israel to disappear then you are really insane and the Republican Party is not for people like that.
The more Muslims in the US the more non-Muslim people will feel like that.
true about the Republican party. Three decades ago, the party had to do a purge and "throw out" David Duke and his ilk. They have not yet done the purge they need to do NOW: JD Vance has refused to disavow Tucker Carlson (who supported Nick Fuentes) and is down-playing the growing anti-Israel/Jew hater factions in the party and even the Heritage Foundation is hesitant to call it out. (The reason is because the Repubs want to keep a "big tent" and not alienate any voters--but the problem with that is that by keeping the haters in the party, they risk losing many many OTHER voters and many in the party are being very vocal about the need to do this purge and before it causes an even bigger rift in the party). (Those same antisemitic groups/voices are also trying to tear down Turning Point USA for NOT coming out against Israel and they claim TPUSA is being bought out by Jewish influence).
Excellent overview of what happened in post-war Germany, however I see almost zero chance of anything like this working in Gaza for two main reasons - 1) there is little-to-no international support for such an endeavor, and in fact there would likely be a tremendous amount of pressure from all the usual suspects (UN, NGOs, etc.) to stop any such efforts. 2) the ideology of this death cult is shared (to varying degrees) throughout over 50 countries and among approximately 1/4 of the world’s population.
We may yet be able to achieve such a feat, but I suspect it won’t happen until after WWIII.
Thank you for this very much need information. It's going to take a lot more work to deradicalize the Palestinian people and with the West's approach, it may only serve to strengthen their ideology.
First, a minor miss of an autocorrect error, where you said "This violence was not policy, but the Allies showed literal interest in stopping it." Probably you meant little and not literal.
But also, sharing this memoir piece from TImes of Israel where my father discusses being in the original party into Buchenwald. https://www.timesofisrael.com/rosh-hashanah-in-purgatory/
His father had already been released from Dachau in 1940.
I am currently reading The Jews of Berlin and what is abundantly clear is that many Jews were helped and saved by German civilians. Nobody helped us in Gaza even after a bounty was promised and several hostages said that Hamas actually protected them from the mob. It's going to be very difficult to change that mind set.
My guess is percentage wise it was about the same.
Liked the article and there were some truths to be learned. But the jump from denazification to today's social justice warriors was a stretch.
Such a smart and important article. One comment though: "Yet it was also unmistakably victor’s justice. The Allied forces’ bombing campaigns were exempt from scrutiny; Soviet atrocities were excluded altogether. The law was real, but it was not universal."
Well of course it was victor's justice. What else should it be? Thank goodness the good guys won. Do we think the bad guys, had they won, would have done better or worse? You start a war, you lose, you suffer the consequences. That is, in part, deterrence. Something the West seems to have forgotten.
Are we perfect? Far from it. But there is no perfection. And from what I've been reading lately some experts explicitly warn that it is the hard-core idealists in history who think they can create a utopia, who have been the worst killers. We have to realize that humans are barely changeable and they are certainly not perfectible.
There's a more effective, quicker more permanent way to end demented defiant Palestinian hatred of Jews,
Natan Sharansky-"kill your enemies."
Thou shalt not murder
Unless you’re being or about to be murdered. Read the Talmud, Torah, Palms etc,all permit proportionate self defense. You prefer the Jew as Victim? How’s that worked in history?
Mein Kamf should be made illegal and collected up because it's stupid 🤬
Hamas has been monitored by us in London in Alliance with the Re-formed Nazi Party here in London from 2014. The Islamism of Gadaffi has been formally in the Triple Alliance between Duke’s White Supremacism and Farrakhan’s Black Nationalists since the early 1980’s. This has also been extensively monitored too.