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Freedom Lover's avatar

It means murder. That's what it has always meant. From the day Israel was born until today. The Palestinian National Movement is a death cult that exalts in violence and death.

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GARY B KATZ's avatar

What an idiotic comment. On the day Israel was "born (reborn, really)," it was invaded by 5 genocidal Arab armies. How twisted you must be, to think that a country sitting on 1/6 of 1% of the Middle East, 6 million or so Jews, is "slaughtering its neighbors," hundreds of millions of Muslims. Israel hasn't started a single war. The Arabs f*ck with Israel, then cry "Victim!" when Israel wins. And you fall for it. Pathetic.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Ahad Ha’Am (Asher Zvi Ginzberg), a liberal Russian Jewish thinker who visited Palestine in 1891, published a series of articles in the Hebrew periodical Hamelitz that were sharply critical of the ethnocentricity of political zionism as well as the exploitation of Palestinian peasantry by zionist colonists. Ahad Ha’Am (...) observed that the zionist “pioneers” believed that “the only language that the Arabs understand is that of force...

[They] behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly upon their boundaries, beat them shamefully without reason and even brag about it, and nobody stands to check this contemptible and dangerous tendency.”»

Then in '47 we have: ZIONISTS STARTED IMPLEMENTING THEIR PLAN DALET THE DAY AFTER THE PARTITION PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THE UN ON NOV. 29, 1947: 'From the morning after the UN Partition Resolution was adopted, the 75,000 Palestinians in the city (Haifa) were subjected to a campaign of terror jointly instigated by the Irgun and the Hagana. As they had only arrived in recent decades, the Jewish settlers had built their houses higher up the mountain. Thus, they lived topographically above the Arab neighbourhoods and could easily shell and snipe at them. They had started doing this frequently since early December. They used other methods of intimidation as well: the Jewish troops rolled barrels full of explosives, and huge steel balls, down into the Arab residential areas, and poured oil mixed with fuel down the roads, which they then ignited. The moment panic-stricken Palestinian residents came running out of their homes to try to extinguish these rivers of fire, they were sprayed by machine-gun fire.

In areas where the two communities still interacted, the Hagana brought cars to Palestinian garages to be repaired, loaded with explosives and detonating devices, and so wreaked death and chaos. A special unit of the Hagana, Hashahar (‘Dawn’), made up of mistarvim – literally Hebrew for ‘becoming Arab’, that is Jews who disguised themselves as Palestinians – was behind this kind of assault.

The mastermind of these operations was someone called Dani Agmon, who headed the ‘Dawn’ units. On its website, the official historian of the Palmach puts it as follows: ‘The Palestinians [in Haifa] were from December onwards under siege and intimidation.’36 But worse was to come.'--

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, Ilan Pappé.

*Yaakov Markiviski, :"The Campaign on Haifa in the Independence War" in Yossi Artz (ed.), The Development of Haifa, 1918-1948

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GARY B KATZ's avatar

Yes, cherrypick 1 allegedly Jewish Russian, ignore dozens of Arab massacres against Jews (this goes back 100 years) and frame Jews defending themselves as aggression (because we all know Irgun and the Hagana were formed not to protect Jews, but to victimize angelic little Arabs, who would never harm a Jew, right?). Save your narrative for the naifs who might swallow it. I know better, including how Arab leaders boasted in '48 they were going to slaughter the Jews, before 5 genocidal Arab armies invaded Israel, how the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem whipped up Arab frenzy against Jews, before slipping away to Berlin, to plan a Middle East Holocaust franchise, with Hitler.

BTW, if Zionists were as bloodthirsty as you'd like us to believe, why is it that Arabs who didn't attack Jews were left alone, eventually becoming 2 MILLION Arab-Israeli citizens today? Meanwhile, how many Jews still live in Muslim lands, after 850,000 were driven out? Maybe 10,000 today? The bottom line is, Israel's Declaration of Independence stressed equality, while Hamas' Charter and the PLO Charter both are loaded with Islamo-supremacism and threats of mass murder. But keep shilling for savage Pal society, since you like how you look, wearing a keffiyeh.

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Shlomo Levin's avatar

You're absolutely right. Hating Israel, and finding new ways to stir up hatred and incite violence against it, have become the current purity test for anyone who wants to be accepted as a liberal devoted to human rights.

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tzipporah batami's avatar

We need to stop calling those who are in Gaza or in Judea and Samaria "Palestinians". We should call those who live in Gaza Arabs from Gaza. Those who live in Judea and Samaria are Arabs from Judea and Samaria. Those citizens of Israel are Arab citizens from Israel. Otherwise we need to call all people descended from time of the British Mandate Palestinian in birthplace. Including Jews.

Once we stop contributing to the problem, these monikers will be more clear. Free free Palestine will be rejected everywhere as except for Roman and British Empire rules, the name of Israel was Israel, or the Holy Land, or Judea. And it will be clear that what is being asked for is a return to Ottoman Empire worldwide.

Free free Israel.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

'Free Free Israel' what a sick joke.

Tzippy Scott...member of the Knesset.

"Tonight we killed nearly 100 people from Gaza and no one cares because everyone has become used to the fact that 100 Palestinians can be killed in a single night during war and the world doesn't care'

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GARY B KATZ's avatar

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand Nazis or Israel, but just likes using the word "Nazi."

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GARY B KATZ's avatar

"Goy" slang for "Gentile." I've never heard a Jew use "untermensch," so I don't see any relevancy. I have heard "kike," "heeb," "yahud," and all the rest. Did you know that the common Arab word for a black person is "Abeed," which translates to "slave?" There are still Arab slave markets in Libya. Why don't we talk about them? Or China putting 1 million Uighur Muslims in re-education camps? Or Myanmar's persecution of its Rohingya Muslims? Or the Muslim Genocide of Nigerian Christians? As I write this, Bangladesh Islamists are wreaking havoc on Hindus. There's so much worse in the world than what is contained in your Jew-obsessive bubble. Time for some perspective, buddy.

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GARY B KATZ's avatar

Zionism is the Jewish desire for self determination in our ancestral land. If you think that's anything like Naziism, you have a lot of studying to do. Read some books about the Holocaust, or "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." Or any of the hundreds of thousands of other books about Nazi Germany. BTW, in the conflict between Israel and the so-called "Palestinians," the latter are the Nazis. In fact, at the end of WWII, Arabs sheltered Nazis. Watch the documentary "Nazi Jihad." Much of today's terror is based on Nazi tactics. Same for today's Jew-hating propaganda and imagery. Calls for boycotts, exclusion of Zionists from universities - straight out of the Nuremberg Laws. Pogroms copied from Krystallnacht.

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GARY B KATZ's avatar

Smart Jews escaped Hitler before it was too late. But Hitler didn't want them taking their wealth with them, so basically they paid their own ransom. The Jews who stayed behind were later murdered. Even Jews who fled for other parts of Europe were hunted down and murdered, if the countries to which they escaped from Germany later came under German occupation. Here's an article explaining the agreement: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/adolf-hitler-zionism-zionist-nazis-haavara-agreement-ken-livingstone-labour-antisemitism-row-a7009981.html You keep challenging me with innocuous things that don't support your bias.

Why don't you compare Israel's Declaration of Independence to Hamas' Charter, and get back to me, to give your opinion on which document is civilized and which is savage? Or compile a list of Jews who, over the past 50 years, hijacked jets, went on stabbing sprees, attacked music concerts, drove vans through crowds of Christmas shoppers, etc. I think you're focused on the wrong ethnic group. Do you own a keffiyeh?

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GARY B KATZ's avatar

The only genocide was on 10/7/23. Or did you conveniently forget what triggered the war, or Hamas leaders' promises to repeat 10/7 "again and again?" Israel lives next door to an insane asylum: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-publishes-audio-of-hamas-terrorist-calling-family-to-brag-of-killing-jews/

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Can you blame them for a breakout from what Israel's own security forces described as the largest prison camp in the world ? That it was so violent was an indication of revenge. And revenge for what?

Ami Ayalon, decorated in action, ex Shin Bet chief and an Admiral in the

Israeli navy when asked not so ling after Oct 7th what he would do if he were Palestinian replied he would fight for his freedom.

When asked how dirty he would fight he looked hard at the camera and said he would do whatever he thought necessary for his freedom.

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GARY B KATZ's avatar

Yes, I blame them for slaughtering, beheading, burning, raping and kidnapping. They have agency, and the Jews they massacred on 10/7 were among the most peace-loving sector in Israel (not to mention hundreds of young music fans at the Nova music festival). I blame jihadists for planning for years to break the ceasefire and bringing calamity to Gaza, turning it into a terror fortress, while making no provisions to protect civilians (just the opposite). Hamas knew Israel wouldn't invade Gaza without a heinous provocation, so they provided it. Hamas figured they could use Gaza civilians as human sponges, soaking up damage to goad the West into pressuring Israel to stop the war while Hamas was still intact, so Hamas could reorganize and rearm, to start another war, at a time of its choosing (using shills just like you, to do Hamas' PR).

Gaza was never a prison camp, since Hamas leaders came and went as they pleased. It is, however, the world's largest asylum for the criminally insane. I saw thousands of Gazans celebrating the half naked body of 23-year-old woman Shani Louk, being paraded thru Gaza City in the back of a pickup truck (brought back from Israel like a Medieval war trophy) https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1726417064749875228. I heard the audio of an excited Gaza man telling his proud parents how he murdered 10 Jews with his own hands https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-publishes-audio-of-hamas-terrorist-calling-family-to-brag-of-killing-jews/ Gazans even killed about 60 family pets, during their 10/7 murder orgy. So you can cherrypick comments all you want - for every one you've got, I've got 100 the other way. I can go all day, so save your energy for the less informed.

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Susan Sullivan's avatar

Free Palestine is an empty slogan about a non existent people. The place has never existed and neither have the so called Palestinian people

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Robbin Close's avatar

Thank you Susan, keep saying it. Hopefully, it will get through to the brainwashed young people and everyone else. Am Yisrael Chai ❤️

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

The trouble is the young read about this. Dammit.

Moshe Dayan (Israeli war hero)

"What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.

Comment?

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Dr Gary Golden's avatar

Susan, you are absolutely right. I hope that your voice is heard and that thinking people will listen and understand. I don’t know if anything will enlighten the ignorant and unthinking mob, but if enough people know the truth, maybe the idiocy will fall out of fashion.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

As long as they don't read this you might be ok.

Moshe Dayan (Israeli war hero)

"What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.

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Stephen Korn, MD's avatar

Perfect, Susan.!

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Is that why all maps have the word Palestine written on them.

Is that why Gold Meier described herself as Palestinian ?

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Ok. Then what do you recommend doing about the legal documents of ownership of property held by Palestinian people (call them what you will, it doesn't matter re this concern).

Perhaps you do not think respecting the ownership of property a legal indication of a civilised society.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Ami Ayalon disagrees with you.

Ami Ayalon, decorated in action, ex Shin Bet chief and an Admiral in the

Israeli navy when asked not so ling after Oct 7th what he would do if he were Palestinian replied he would fight for his freedom.

When asked how dirty he would fight he looked hard at the camera and said he would do whatever he thought necessary for his freedom.

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Warren Hoskins's avatar

I freeze every time I hear or read Judea and Samaria referred to as The West Bank. Nowhere in the middle east does an area have a title that has no historical meaning at all. It was invented by the Jordanians to delegitimise Jews from living there - and being for the most part their land.

In the UK there is a growing support for Israel and the realisation that the 'Free Palestine' chants are empty rhetoric meaning nothing other than Jew hatred. The 'Pallywood' vids from Gaza are so obviously false that a child could see them for what they are. Unfortunately - (and I confronted it just this weekend) there are well meaning Brits that by into the Lies propagated by our broadcasters and newspapers. They accepted the 14,000 babies will die in 48 hours lie told on BBC by the UN representative (a Brit) Tim Fletcher. The result - more worldwide condemnation of Israel (Jews) and the murder of Sarah and Yaron in DC.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Was this guy lying?

Moshe Dayan (Israeli war hero)

"What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.

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David Levine's avatar

It was never about "Palestine". It was a created tactic to destroy Israel and the Jews: https://thetruthfulproject.blogspot.com/2023/03/appeared-in-jerusalem-post-edited-for.html

I always love asking "do you know the origin of the word 'Palestine'? They don't.

The answer: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/398384

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Utterly irrelevant when one reads this.

Moshe Dayan (Israeli war hero)

"What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.

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David Levine's avatar

Well, two points here.

1. That is how the Islamic leadership prepped them to become terrorists tools.

2. War Hero? Maybe. But he gave away control to the Temple Mount and Maharat Ha Machpela in Hebron.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

However in 1. Are you presuming Dayan's point you be the case (true)?

Pls clarify.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

1.That is how the Islamic leadership prepped them to become terrorist tools'.

Israel stole their homes and you call it Islamic prep for terrorism.

Fantasy.

It seems you are as bad as the worst anti jew.

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David Levine's avatar

Sorry, you are incorrect. Israel said yes to UN Res 181 and the Arabs said no and attacked with clear and verbalized genocidal intent. Israel stole nothing.

I am not spouting unsubstantiated biased rhetoric and lies. Perhaps you should read my book: Revolutions: In Their Own Words www.amzn.to/3T17NyZ

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Then accommodate this in your oeuvre.

Tzipi Navon, Sara Netanyahu’s close advisor and office manager, who called for residents from Gaza who participated in the [7 October] massacre to be tortured live on broadcast television: “First removing the nails from the hands and feet … cut off [their] genitals and let [them] see [their testicles] fried in canola oil and [force them] to eat them … Keep the tongue to the end, so that it pleases us with its screams, the ears so that [they] can hear [their] own screams and the eyes so that [they] can see us smile.”

Susan Abulhawa is a Palestinian author and human and animal rights activist living in Pennsylvania.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Buy your book. Comedy. Read this and rewrite your trash.

Moshe Dayan (Israeli war hero)

"What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived."

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LilyZ's avatar

There’s no question about what it means. Islam as a religion calls for the abuse , rape and murder of all who don’t bow to Allah. That means you, eventually.

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LilyZ's avatar

Muslims will rape anything

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Yanpol's avatar

They say free, they mean Judenfrei.

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Gary Friedman's avatar

Please recognize and actively engage in these measures because adversaries that meet resistance are less likely to continue being aggressive against Jews.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Aggressive ? Their takes some beating:

Tzipi Navon, Sara Netanyahu’s close advisor and office manager, who called for residents from Gaza who participated in the [7 October] massacre to be tortured live on broadcast television: “First removing the nails from the hands and feet … cut off [their] genitals and let [them] see [their testicles] fried in canola oil and [force them] to eat them … Keep the tongue to the end, so that it pleases us with its screams, the ears so that [they] can hear [their] own screams and the eyes so that [they] can see us smile.”

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Gary Friedman's avatar

Thank you Sam for this thoughtful piece. While waiting for our adversaries to change, it is incumbent on us all to learn how to protect ourselves and our communities in lawful ways. Now that adversaries are practicing concealed carry with handguns the calculus has shifted. Situational awareness training (eg by The Secure Community Network), self-defense (eg Krav Maga) training, and defensive weapons training and certification are available to the Jewish community. When attending pro-Israel events situational awareness and self defense skills are valuable. Never bring weapons to protests. If you spot an adversary practicing concealed weapons carry, immediately notify police and FBI. There are abundant facial recognition cameras throughout the US Please let the police and FBI that you’re willing to confidentially review images of adversaries you suspect are practicing concealed carry. US Departments of State and Justice are making aggressive inroads against educational and non-educational institutions harboring anti-US and anti-Israel and anti-Semitic foreign and domestic actors. US-based Conservative and Jewish organizations have filed consequential lawsuits against educational and non educational institutions receiving federal funding and grants.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Learn some torture techniques ?

Tzipi Navon, Sara Netanyahu’s close advisor and office manager, who called for residents from Gaza who participated in the [7 October] massacre to be tortured live on broadcast television: “First removing the nails from the hands and feet … cut off [their] genitals and let [them] see [their testicles] fried in canola oil and [force them] to eat them … Keep the tongue to the end, so that it pleases us with its screams, the ears so that [they] can hear [their] own screams and the eyes so that [they] can see us smile.”

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David Bergsland's avatar

We need to recognize that the chant is the tail end of the full message. What they are screaming is plain. "Reject the tyrant God, Free Palestine." It goes along with the full abortion chant. "We demand unrestricted sex!"—which is transcribed into the euphemism of choice. The trouble with the Jews is that they serve the only true God, using His operating manual, the Torah. Since many Jews are now atheists there is a lot of confusion. All of this will be resolved over the next decade or so. The Messiah will be here soon.

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tzipporah batami's avatar

I hope so. Let's ask for it

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David Bergsland's avatar

The prophets clearly say it will be soon. Ask him to tell you. You'll probably have to ask Yeshua. Ask Him if you can talk with Him.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

You need to acknowledge what this man said.

Moshe Dayan (Israeli war hero)

"What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Since the Messiah is not yet here I understand that Istael is illegitimate.

Indeed to the eyes of religiously observant Rabbis it is an abomination.

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David Bergsland's avatar

Israel is not illegitimate. It is indeed largely living in sin. But that will be resolved before this is all over in the next decade. Almighty God has made promises to Israel, and He does not fail to keep His promises. The Kingdom of Israel will rule the world in ten years or so. I will no longer respond to your heresy. We christians are grifted on to Israel. Very soon, the Church will be pulled out and the Lord will be dealing directly with Israel. He will save every Jew who turns to Him in repentance.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

According to a significant nber of reiligious Jews Israel is illegitimate. The fact that they think this, basing it on religious text etc is undeniable.

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David Bergsland's avatar

Yeah, the Bible said He’d bring them back in unbelief. But God clearly brought them back. He’ll save all who will turn to him when it’s all over in probably less than a decade.

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David Bergsland's avatar

Yes. The Wrath of God is coming very soon. It's certainly part of the reason—one of the main ones. But probably within a decade, it will all be resolved and the haters will be gone. We all need to make sure we are reborn and have a tight relationship with Yeshua Messiah. He's our only protection from the Wrath. Ask Him directly. He'll tell you the Truth.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Ignorant and unthinking ? I hope you are not as foul as this indicates Israeli society is:

Tzipi Navon, Sara Netanyahu’s close advisor and office manager, who called for residents from Gaza who participated in the [7 October] massacre to be tortured live on broadcast television: “First removing the nails from the hands and feet … cut off [their] genitals and let [them] see [their testicles] fried in canola oil and [force them] to eat them … Keep the tongue to the end, so that it pleases us with its screams, the ears so that [they] can hear [their] own screams and the eyes so that [they] can see us smile".

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

Was it not the credo of the early 'terrorist' organisations of incipient Israel and the first leaders of Israel as discovered by Jewosh Israeli Historians?

And did not Netanyahu triumphantly declare the same at the UN while holding a map of the entire area with all indications of anything Palestinian excised?

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Katherine Augustson's avatar

Excellent and truthful essay! Thank you! What will be the end of this tyranny, if there is an end at all? I will tell you this, Israel was given to the Jews by a “Divine Land Grant” from God and Israel shall remain forever! It’s the Promised Land for the Jews since Moshe led the “Children of Israel” out of Egypt. In the Bible it was called The Land of Canaan they were headed to where God HIMSELF led them by a Cloud by day and fire by night! ISREAL is here to stay no matter what slogan people scream! The Land of Israel is GOD’S land, no one will get rid of the Jews, NOT EVER! A two State Solution? NEVER! Land for Peace! That was a huge mistake! All through history Israel never started a war, October 7, 2023 who struck first? Not Israel! Israel looked as though it was going down many times but did it? No and never will!

Shalom

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

I waiting for your reply.

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Katherine Augustson's avatar

The real story of the Palestinians is a long story that dates back to Abraham. I believe you’re not really interested in that story. I’m not being rude in saying that because most people living today only see the outcome of the roots of the Palestinians. But if you are interested in understanding them you can go to YouTube and search out the story.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

More prosaicaly does this anecdote illustrate the Jewish Israeli character faithfully?

Have you een that video of a Palestinian woman politeky berating a Jewish man who is living in her house while she holds the legal papers to the property? They seem to kniw each other. She says something like "X you know you are living in my property'. He replies " Why do you harass me? If I didn't steal it someone else would'.

If you have not seen it, don't worry for it is widely available.

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Marcus Corbett's avatar

For the Jews the Messiah has not yet come. So Israel is illegitimate.

Indeed some religiously devout Jews regard it as an abomination.

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