Indigenous identity is not determined by sociopolitical trends; it is cultivated by history, culture, archaeology, and genetics. By all these measures, the Jews have an uninterrupted claim to Israel.
What's in a name? I propose we stop identifying ourselves as Jews or as "whites" and start identifying as Israelites or Judeans, thereby reinforcing our indigenous status.
To remove the religious component of "White" would be to subsume Jews, Moslems, and followers of any other religion under the "racial" category of White, so long as they were of European ancestry.
Historically, for Europeans and their colonial descendants — those who settled in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Africa — Christian was a defining attribute of their collective identity. They purposefully and consciously excluded followers of any other religion. It is only through the recent introduction of Critical Race Theory (CRT) that religious distinction has been blurred to encourage the condemnation as victimizers / oppressors anyone "non-racialized". Thus, Jews have been labeled as White, and not just White but the Whitest of the White, and therefore deserving the worst of the condemnation.
Turkey lies on the periphery of the Levant. The Republic of Albania lies in Southeast Europe. According to the classification of White vs. Jew, Muslims of either peoples are not Whites. Christian Albanians can claim to be White because they fulfill the definition.
That said, merely because they do not fall into the classification of white, does not make them any less worthy of respect or deny them their right to celebrate their religion, culture and heritage, so long as it is in keeping with universal laws, like not practicing honour killing or female genital mutilation.
"It is silly to demand land based on 2,000 year old roots."
According to this logic, Indigenous peoples world wide lose their rights to their traditional, ancestral homelands. Further, all the legal cases brought by them against governments that dispossessed them must be rejected, prior court decisions in their favour annulled, the monies rewarded them returned to the states' treasuries, and the lands recognized as theirs removed from them. Doubt if they would accept that.
I love brevity and I believe that I have never read such a concise and accurate description of the history of the Jews in their land as you have written here. I applaud your writing my friend. Unfortunately, there are many who will start screaming at the first paragraph. As I have volunteered many times in these discussions, I am a simple man. The only way to hold on to the land is to keep our shields bright and our intentions true. Also sharpen the swords occasionally. I am happy to have a reasonable discussion with anyone. But should someone become unreasonable, then the alternatives must be considered.
Good article. Thanks for the lists of different kinds of evidence.
But you left out an important one....It's worth noting that the Arch of Titus in Rome shows the Jews being led off as slaves by Romans, bearing the Menorah and the Table of Showbread from the Temple in Jerusalem. So there you have pictorial evidence of our presence in the land, going back almost 2000 years....and evidence provided by one of our conquerors.
The most startling disconnect ... Xtians, not two months ago celebrated the birth of a rabbi born in Judea/Summaria that had already had a flourishing Jewish community for a millennium. Either the guy was real or not.
Zionism is the Central Theme of the Bible,including the NT,which Churchians can't understand,not bring grounded in The Law,which eliminates most of Saul/Paul's gibberish.
From Genesis to tfe 12 gates of New Jerusalem,named for tfe Tribes of Israel,and in between tfe repeated promise that the Jew Haters will be desolated,but Israel will be cleansed and tfe people as well,and their sins forgiven.
That's what it's all about. And when God's outrage of making this tiny people a majestic light for tfe world is done,tfe world will finally KNOW He is God,that's the whole point!
Excellent post Joshua; one of the best repizes of Israel's history. Quite furor in the comments. All settled by the covenantal promises of G-d to Abraham et al. In perpetuity, as I read it.
But we don’t. In Gaza Hamas rules (thank you Biden/Trump) In Judea/Samaria Abbas is in the 21st year of his 4-year term, and if they ever do have an election they’ll elect Hamas for certain.
Thx for this summary. Although not related directly to Palestine, the Koran makes multiple references to Jews in today’s Saudi Arabia. The Arabs either chose to kill them, or hire them for their usefulness.
It all started in Judea thousands years ago. HASHEM ALMIGHTY promised Eretz Yisrael to Jews to be our homeland forever. HASHEM divided each tribe their share . We have to remember that two and half of twelve tribes have their land share on eastern side of Jordan River. David HaMelech was a King first in Hebron but he removed the capital to Jerusalem over 3000 years ago. David HaMelech bought Mount Moriah for the Temple because the Tabernacle (Mishkan) was only in the tent and David himself lived in cedar tree Palace. NOW we are living the “ End of Days “ in the Torah and Kabbalah. The final battle of evil and good is NOW , global revolution, global intifada 🙌🙏🔥The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Israel (Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin is also in the Third Temple in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱HASHEM ALMIGHTY will destroy all the evil and also Satan himself away forever to eternity 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🔥The final peace comes after Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem 🙌🙏🔥With the Third Temple we can get our prayers to higher levels 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🙌🙏
Hugely cherrypicked selection of incidents. As per usual no mention of the Biblical narrative of the foundation of the proto-state that became the Kingdom of Israel, probably because a story about a group of people committing genocide on an existing population because God tells them to is all too similar to current events. Doubtless there will be those who justify it as the Canaanite’s practiced human sacrifice which is absolutely never been used as a justification by an invading force to commit atrocities. Not to mention the supreme irony of committing a general massacre prevent a few deaths.
Once again I ask defenders of Israel to not fall back on dubious religious or blood and soil narratives to defend a state that has no need of them. Israel would be worth defending if Jews had arrived there at the same time as the Mayflower touched land at Plymouth Rock. ‘Indigenous’ is a meaningless concept and always has been.
No, the Palestinians do not deserve a state of their own for several reasons.
1) They have been offered a state several times starting with the UN partition plan and rejected it every time including 97% of the West Bank and half of Jerusalem.
2) They have shown that they do not respect other states according to the Westphalian system of respecting borders. Not only do they not respect Israel’s nationhood they don’t respect Jordan’s, Lebanon’s or Kuwait’s.
3) They are not nation builders but nation destroyers as they have shown when they were given Gaza free and clear.
In other words they have shown time and again that they don’t belong in the family of nations because they have no respect for any of it’s other members.
None of that irrelevancy changes anything.No one was interested in the desolate wilderness of pre Zionist Israel until the Zionists came and made something of it that the Fakestinians want to usurp.
Even a source unfriendly to Israel, such as Wikipedia, says that Palestinians are not genetically distinct from Arabs in Saudia Arabia and other Arab nations. There is no historical source for Palestinian nationhood prior to 1948, or for the notion they have ever spoken anything other than Arabic. If so, what is that other language? Where is the evidence for it?
Palestinians are largely converted Jews, Greeks and other Semites with admixture from neighbouring groups. From the Wikipedia article you mention but don’t quote: “Historical records and later genetic studies indicate that the Palestinian people descend mostly from Ancient Levantines extending back to Bronze Age inhabitants of Levant.[10][a]…According to Palestinian historian Nazmi Al-Ju'beh, like in other Arab nations, the Arab identity of Palestinians is largely based on linguistic and cultural affiliation and is not necessarily associated with the existence of any Arabian origins.[20]”
It's you who has rudely,crudely, and reprehensibly come on to a Jewish site to ignorantly proselytize baseless nonsense.
Your own book,which You arrogantly misunderstood tells you plainly,you are not the Root,but a mere ingrafted wild shoot who ought not boast against the Root.
It makes zero difference,if they kept the covenant there would be no need for question.
There is zero doubt,no one was interested in tfe desolate wilderness of Palestine before the Zionists,and tfe Fakestinians Narrative is one hundred percent nonsense with no basis in reality.
With a few exceptions the Arabs of Gaza Judea and Samaria are descendent from Egyptian and Mesopotamian workers who came to work for the Jewish pioneers who returned to Israel in the late 1800's and early 1900's
There were always small populations of Jews Bedouins and Arabs scattered throughout Judea and Samaria which was governed from the 1500's to the end of WW I by the Ottoman Empire as the province of Palestine . But most of the land was barren or swampy. When Mark Twain visited it the late 1800's he found it " empty and barren". In the late 1800's the Sultan needed money and began selling land to wealthy European Jews who began the return to their homeland for Jews who were no longer welcome in the Russian Empire and the Austro Hungarian Empire and in France after the Dryfus Affair. These returningvJews created agricultural jobs for Arabs from Egypt and Mesopotamia
What's in a name? I propose we stop identifying ourselves as Jews or as "whites" and start identifying as Israelites or Judeans, thereby reinforcing our indigenous status.
White: Those of Christian heritage and European ancestral origin
Jews: A religeo-ethnic entity of Jewish heritage and Levantine ancestral origin.
To remove the religious component of "White" would be to subsume Jews, Moslems, and followers of any other religion under the "racial" category of White, so long as they were of European ancestry.
Historically, for Europeans and their colonial descendants — those who settled in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Africa — Christian was a defining attribute of their collective identity. They purposefully and consciously excluded followers of any other religion. It is only through the recent introduction of Critical Race Theory (CRT) that religious distinction has been blurred to encourage the condemnation as victimizers / oppressors anyone "non-racialized". Thus, Jews have been labeled as White, and not just White but the Whitest of the White, and therefore deserving the worst of the condemnation.
Turkey lies on the periphery of the Levant. The Republic of Albania lies in Southeast Europe. According to the classification of White vs. Jew, Muslims of either peoples are not Whites. Christian Albanians can claim to be White because they fulfill the definition.
That said, merely because they do not fall into the classification of white, does not make them any less worthy of respect or deny them their right to celebrate their religion, culture and heritage, so long as it is in keeping with universal laws, like not practicing honour killing or female genital mutilation.
"It is silly to demand land based on 2,000 year old roots."
According to this logic, Indigenous peoples world wide lose their rights to their traditional, ancestral homelands. Further, all the legal cases brought by them against governments that dispossessed them must be rejected, prior court decisions in their favour annulled, the monies rewarded them returned to the states' treasuries, and the lands recognized as theirs removed from them. Doubt if they would accept that.
I love brevity and I believe that I have never read such a concise and accurate description of the history of the Jews in their land as you have written here. I applaud your writing my friend. Unfortunately, there are many who will start screaming at the first paragraph. As I have volunteered many times in these discussions, I am a simple man. The only way to hold on to the land is to keep our shields bright and our intentions true. Also sharpen the swords occasionally. I am happy to have a reasonable discussion with anyone. But should someone become unreasonable, then the alternatives must be considered.
Not at all. Just do not want Israel to be caught napping again.
From the Sea to the River Hashem delivered
Good article. Thanks for the lists of different kinds of evidence.
But you left out an important one....It's worth noting that the Arch of Titus in Rome shows the Jews being led off as slaves by Romans, bearing the Menorah and the Table of Showbread from the Temple in Jerusalem. So there you have pictorial evidence of our presence in the land, going back almost 2000 years....and evidence provided by one of our conquerors.
The most startling disconnect ... Xtians, not two months ago celebrated the birth of a rabbi born in Judea/Summaria that had already had a flourishing Jewish community for a millennium. Either the guy was real or not.
Facts are meaningless to the Jew haters. Thankful the new U.S. government gets it. Get all the Arab colonizers out of Israel once and for all.
Zionism is the Central Theme of the Bible,including the NT,which Churchians can't understand,not bring grounded in The Law,which eliminates most of Saul/Paul's gibberish.
From Genesis to tfe 12 gates of New Jerusalem,named for tfe Tribes of Israel,and in between tfe repeated promise that the Jew Haters will be desolated,but Israel will be cleansed and tfe people as well,and their sins forgiven.
That's what it's all about. And when God's outrage of making this tiny people a majestic light for tfe world is done,tfe world will finally KNOW He is God,that's the whole point!
Actually, Jesus Christ is the theme of the whole Bible, including the Old Testament, starting at Genesis 3:15.
Brilliant, as always! Spot on. Truth! Thank you!
Excellent post Joshua; one of the best repizes of Israel's history. Quite furor in the comments. All settled by the covenantal promises of G-d to Abraham et al. In perpetuity, as I read it.
But we don’t. In Gaza Hamas rules (thank you Biden/Trump) In Judea/Samaria Abbas is in the 21st year of his 4-year term, and if they ever do have an election they’ll elect Hamas for certain.
Thx for this summary. Although not related directly to Palestine, the Koran makes multiple references to Jews in today’s Saudi Arabia. The Arabs either chose to kill them, or hire them for their usefulness.
It all started in Judea thousands years ago. HASHEM ALMIGHTY promised Eretz Yisrael to Jews to be our homeland forever. HASHEM divided each tribe their share . We have to remember that two and half of twelve tribes have their land share on eastern side of Jordan River. David HaMelech was a King first in Hebron but he removed the capital to Jerusalem over 3000 years ago. David HaMelech bought Mount Moriah for the Temple because the Tabernacle (Mishkan) was only in the tent and David himself lived in cedar tree Palace. NOW we are living the “ End of Days “ in the Torah and Kabbalah. The final battle of evil and good is NOW , global revolution, global intifada 🙌🙏🔥The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Israel (Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin is also in the Third Temple in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱HASHEM ALMIGHTY will destroy all the evil and also Satan himself away forever to eternity 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🔥The final peace comes after Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem 🙌🙏🔥With the Third Temple we can get our prayers to higher levels 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🙌🙏
From the river to the sea is Israeli territory, some occupied by illegal Arab invaders, false named Palestinians!
Hugely cherrypicked selection of incidents. As per usual no mention of the Biblical narrative of the foundation of the proto-state that became the Kingdom of Israel, probably because a story about a group of people committing genocide on an existing population because God tells them to is all too similar to current events. Doubtless there will be those who justify it as the Canaanite’s practiced human sacrifice which is absolutely never been used as a justification by an invading force to commit atrocities. Not to mention the supreme irony of committing a general massacre prevent a few deaths.
Once again I ask defenders of Israel to not fall back on dubious religious or blood and soil narratives to defend a state that has no need of them. Israel would be worth defending if Jews had arrived there at the same time as the Mayflower touched land at Plymouth Rock. ‘Indigenous’ is a meaningless concept and always has been.
No, the Palestinians do not deserve a state of their own for several reasons.
1) They have been offered a state several times starting with the UN partition plan and rejected it every time including 97% of the West Bank and half of Jerusalem.
2) They have shown that they do not respect other states according to the Westphalian system of respecting borders. Not only do they not respect Israel’s nationhood they don’t respect Jordan’s, Lebanon’s or Kuwait’s.
3) They are not nation builders but nation destroyers as they have shown when they were given Gaza free and clear.
In other words they have shown time and again that they don’t belong in the family of nations because they have no respect for any of it’s other members.
The Palestinian people can have a state once they are deradicalized and have a leadership whose main goal is not to destroy Israel.
What is your source? Are you saying Palestinians aren't Arabs?
None of that irrelevancy changes anything.No one was interested in the desolate wilderness of pre Zionist Israel until the Zionists came and made something of it that the Fakestinians want to usurp.
Even a source unfriendly to Israel, such as Wikipedia, says that Palestinians are not genetically distinct from Arabs in Saudia Arabia and other Arab nations. There is no historical source for Palestinian nationhood prior to 1948, or for the notion they have ever spoken anything other than Arabic. If so, what is that other language? Where is the evidence for it?
Palestinians are largely converted Jews, Greeks and other Semites with admixture from neighbouring groups. From the Wikipedia article you mention but don’t quote: “Historical records and later genetic studies indicate that the Palestinian people descend mostly from Ancient Levantines extending back to Bronze Age inhabitants of Levant.[10][a]…According to Palestinian historian Nazmi Al-Ju'beh, like in other Arab nations, the Arab identity of Palestinians is largely based on linguistic and cultural affiliation and is not necessarily associated with the existence of any Arabian origins.[20]”
It's you who has rudely,crudely, and reprehensibly come on to a Jewish site to ignorantly proselytize baseless nonsense.
Your own book,which You arrogantly misunderstood tells you plainly,you are not the Root,but a mere ingrafted wild shoot who ought not boast against the Root.
You came here to stir up contention and strife.
You fully earned my contempt.
It makes zero difference,if they kept the covenant there would be no need for question.
There is zero doubt,no one was interested in tfe desolate wilderness of Palestine before the Zionists,and tfe Fakestinians Narrative is one hundred percent nonsense with no basis in reality.
If they speak Arabic and have Arabic customs and religion it’s easy to see a connection to the Arabian peninsula
They are Hagar's,are you stupid or just bizarrely ignorant?
With a few exceptions the Arabs of Gaza Judea and Samaria are descendent from Egyptian and Mesopotamian workers who came to work for the Jewish pioneers who returned to Israel in the late 1800's and early 1900's
There were always small populations of Jews Bedouins and Arabs scattered throughout Judea and Samaria which was governed from the 1500's to the end of WW I by the Ottoman Empire as the province of Palestine . But most of the land was barren or swampy. When Mark Twain visited it the late 1800's he found it " empty and barren". In the late 1800's the Sultan needed money and began selling land to wealthy European Jews who began the return to their homeland for Jews who were no longer welcome in the Russian Empire and the Austro Hungarian Empire and in France after the Dryfus Affair. These returningvJews created agricultural jobs for Arabs from Egypt and Mesopotamia