Indigenous identity is not determined by sociopolitical trends; it is cultivated by history, culture, archaeology, and genetics. By all these measures, the Jews have an uninterrupted claim to Israel.
What's in a name? I propose we stop identifying ourselves as Jews or as "whites" and start identifying as Israelites or Judeans, thereby reinforcing our indigenous status.
To remove the religious component of "White" would be to subsume Jews, Moslems, and followers of any other religion under the "racial" category of White, so long as they were of European ancestry.
Historically, for Europeans and their colonial descendants — those who settled in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Africa — Christian was a defining attribute of their collective identity. They purposefully and consciously excluded followers of any other religion. It is only through the recent introduction of Critical Race Theory (CRT) that religious distinction has been blurred to encourage the condemnation as victimizers / oppressors anyone "non-racialized". Thus, Jews have been labeled as White, and not just White but the Whitest of the White, and therefore deserving the worst of the condemnation.
Turkey lies on the periphery of the Levant. The Republic of Albania lies in Southeast Europe. According to the classification of White vs. Jew, Muslims of either peoples are not Whites. Christian Albanians can claim to be White because they fulfill the definition.
That said, merely because they do not fall into the classification of white, does not make them any less worthy of respect or deny them their right to celebrate their religion, culture and heritage, so long as it is in keeping with universal laws, like not practicing honour killing or female genital mutilation.
"It is silly to demand land based on 2,000 year old roots."
According to this logic, Indigenous peoples world wide lose their rights to their traditional, ancestral homelands. Further, all the legal cases brought by them against governments that dispossessed them must be rejected, prior court decisions in their favour annulled, the monies rewarded them returned to the states' treasuries, and the lands recognized as theirs removed from them. Doubt if they would accept that.
Firstly, thank you for calling out the foul-mouthed DeMedia. He has no sense of appropriate boundaries. His slander of you is absolutely indefensible. Hopefully you shrugged him off as one would bird droppings on one's shoe.
You raise an very good ethical question. Granted that Indigenous lands were illegally appropriated, how to repair the damage. Do we return, replace, repair, make restitution? Truth and reconciliation committees are grappling with this issue.
Regarding the statement that Palestinians originate from the Levant, I defer to law and history supported by empirical evidence. Firstly, according tothe Geneva Genocide convention, there are four categories of protected peoples: Ethnicities, Religions, Races, and Nationalities. Those called Palestinian originate in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza. How far back that origin goes has been subjected to scholarly study with some disturbing results. Suffice it to say, looking at the term "Palestinian," ethnically they are Arab. Their language is \Arabic and their culture with usual regional variation, likewise Arabic. Their religion is Islam. They do not constitute a race as they do not have unique physiological traits that distinguish them from all other peoples. As for a national identity, it is more appropriate to let them speak for themselves.
To cite the late senior PLO official Zuheir Mohsen . . . in the Dutch daily Trouw in 1977 . . .:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
— Zuheir Mohsen to James Dorsey, “Wij zijn alleen Palestijn om politieke reden”, Trouw, March 31, 1977.
His referral to the goal of the "Palestinian Movement" not to create a state but to eliminate an already existing sovereign one and to cleanse the land of the Jews per Surah 2:191 is echoed in the charters of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PA. That is their raison d'etre.
There is more evidence to demonstrate that Palestinian is a recently invented identity created in 1964 and retroactively ascribed to the Judean, Samarian, and Gazan Arabs for politically expedient reasons.
While the foregoing arguments are routinely dismissed out of hand by SJW, Woke, Intersectorial, Progressives; nevertheless, intellectual integrity demands that they be scrutinized and their merit refuted when and where possible according to logic and evidence. I rest my case. Speaking of which, if I may, those supporting the claim that Israel is a colonial, settler, apartheid experiment would do well to examine the principle of international law "Uti possidetis juris" which governs disputed land claims such as the Israeli-Arab ones to Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.
I love brevity and I believe that I have never read such a concise and accurate description of the history of the Jews in their land as you have written here. I applaud your writing my friend. Unfortunately, there are many who will start screaming at the first paragraph. As I have volunteered many times in these discussions, I am a simple man. The only way to hold on to the land is to keep our shields bright and our intentions true. Also sharpen the swords occasionally. I am happy to have a reasonable discussion with anyone. But should someone become unreasonable, then the alternatives must be considered.
Good article. Thanks for the lists of different kinds of evidence.
But you left out an important one....It's worth noting that the Arch of Titus in Rome shows the Jews being led off as slaves by Romans, bearing the Menorah and the Table of Showbread from the Temple in Jerusalem. So there you have pictorial evidence of our presence in the land, going back almost 2000 years....and evidence provided by one of our conquerors.
The most startling disconnect ... Xtians, not two months ago celebrated the birth of a rabbi born in Judea/Summaria that had already had a flourishing Jewish community for a millennium. Either the guy was real or not.
Zionism is the Central Theme of the Bible,including the NT,which Churchians can't understand,not bring grounded in The Law,which eliminates most of Saul/Paul's gibberish.
From Genesis to tfe 12 gates of New Jerusalem,named for tfe Tribes of Israel,and in between tfe repeated promise that the Jew Haters will be desolated,but Israel will be cleansed and tfe people as well,and their sins forgiven.
That's what it's all about. And when God's outrage of making this tiny people a majestic light for tfe world is done,tfe world will finally KNOW He is God,that's the whole point!
Excellent post Joshua; one of the best repizes of Israel's history. Quite furor in the comments. All settled by the covenantal promises of G-d to Abraham et al. In perpetuity, as I read it.
But we don’t. In Gaza Hamas rules (thank you Biden/Trump) In Judea/Samaria Abbas is in the 21st year of his 4-year term, and if they ever do have an election they’ll elect Hamas for certain.
Thx for this summary. Although not related directly to Palestine, the Koran makes multiple references to Jews in today’s Saudi Arabia. The Arabs either chose to kill them, or hire them for their usefulness.
It all started in Judea thousands years ago. HASHEM ALMIGHTY promised Eretz Yisrael to Jews to be our homeland forever. HASHEM divided each tribe their share . We have to remember that two and half of twelve tribes have their land share on eastern side of Jordan River. David HaMelech was a King first in Hebron but he removed the capital to Jerusalem over 3000 years ago. David HaMelech bought Mount Moriah for the Temple because the Tabernacle (Mishkan) was only in the tent and David himself lived in cedar tree Palace. NOW we are living the “ End of Days “ in the Torah and Kabbalah. The final battle of evil and good is NOW , global revolution, global intifada 🙌🙏🔥The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Israel (Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin is also in the Third Temple in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱HASHEM ALMIGHTY will destroy all the evil and also Satan himself away forever to eternity 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🔥The final peace comes after Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem 🙌🙏🔥With the Third Temple we can get our prayers to higher levels 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🙌🙏
Hugely cherrypicked selection of incidents. As per usual no mention of the Biblical narrative of the foundation of the proto-state that became the Kingdom of Israel, probably because a story about a group of people committing genocide on an existing population because God tells them to is all too similar to current events. Doubtless there will be those who justify it as the Canaanite’s practiced human sacrifice which is absolutely never been used as a justification by an invading force to commit atrocities. Not to mention the supreme irony of committing a general massacre prevent a few deaths.
Once again I ask defenders of Israel to not fall back on dubious religious or blood and soil narratives to defend a state that has no need of them. Israel would be worth defending if Jews had arrived there at the same time as the Mayflower touched land at Plymouth Rock. ‘Indigenous’ is a meaningless concept and always has been.
No, the Palestinians do not deserve a state of their own for several reasons.
1) They have been offered a state several times starting with the UN partition plan and rejected it every time including 97% of the West Bank and half of Jerusalem.
2) They have shown that they do not respect other states according to the Westphalian system of respecting borders. Not only do they not respect Israel’s nationhood they don’t respect Jordan’s, Lebanon’s or Kuwait’s.
3) They are not nation builders but nation destroyers as they have shown when they were given Gaza free and clear.
In other words they have shown time and again that they don’t belong in the family of nations because they have no respect for any of it’s other members.
None of that irrelevancy changes anything.No one was interested in the desolate wilderness of pre Zionist Israel until the Zionists came and made something of it that the Fakestinians want to usurp.
According to you According to God, Encyclopedia y and noted Jew Hater and Atheist Mark Twain,it was a desolate wilderness.
Twain was particularly shocked at travelling days at a time without seeing a single living soul of ANY ethnicity.
You are not talking to your fellow Luciferians here,and your endlessly baseless nonsense isn't going to fool anyone who understands how to do basic research.
You are wasting your time here.
Try Helena Glass@wordpress.com.Shes an utter loon and will be thrilled to hear your prattle.
Stupid auto-correct! Encyclopedia Brittanica details three major slaughters of Jews from proto Fakestinian Egyptians attacking cross border from Egypt,and counts a remnant of 6K Jews,and 9K Nomadic Bedouin,zero fictional Fakestinians.
Mandate land records from one hundred years later,in 1947 show total resident Arab land ownership at a whopping 3 percent.
Being a sharecropper confers ownership on zero percent of the world's landmass, across zero percent of history.
Neither Encyclopedia Brittanica nor Mark Twain could possibly have any bias for Zionism,having written before the advent of Zionism.
As to my comment about no one being interested in a dry desolate wilderness,that was a quote,from a Fakestinian official,and it's a rare truth from that corner.
It is also true that in many cases, the origin of an individual Fakestinian can be readily discerned through their Clan Surname,generally reflecting Egypt or Transjordan,but possibly ranging as far as Tikrit, Saddam's home range in Iraq.Al Tikriti...
Even a source unfriendly to Israel, such as Wikipedia, says that Palestinians are not genetically distinct from Arabs in Saudia Arabia and other Arab nations. There is no historical source for Palestinian nationhood prior to 1948, or for the notion they have ever spoken anything other than Arabic. If so, what is that other language? Where is the evidence for it?
Palestinians are largely converted Jews, Greeks and other Semites with admixture from neighbouring groups. From the Wikipedia article you mention but don’t quote: “Historical records and later genetic studies indicate that the Palestinian people descend mostly from Ancient Levantines extending back to Bronze Age inhabitants of Levant.[10][a]…According to Palestinian historian Nazmi Al-Ju'beh, like in other Arab nations, the Arab identity of Palestinians is largely based on linguistic and cultural affiliation and is not necessarily associated with the existence of any Arabian origins.[20]”
Genetic research, along with archeological and historical sources, is fascinating. Many folk falsely assert that because Ashkenazi Jews all seem to have come from Eastern Europe, they are of European origin. Yet the fact they are distinct from other Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Russian, Ukrainians, show they do not. Some falsely connect them to the ancient Khazars, a Turkic people that adopted Judaism in lower Eastern Europe near Turkey. But also quote from Wikipedia, "While the consensus in genetic research is that the world's Jewish populations (including the Ashkenazim) share substantial genetic ancestry derived from a common Ancient Middle Eastern founder population, and that Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic ancestry attributable to Khazars." Ashkenai Jews, as with Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews, all share Middle Eastern ancestry based on genetic studies, which brings us full circle to the 12 Tribes of Israel disbursed throughout the world after various conquests, but all indigenous to the Middle East.
Many so called Palestinians were migrant workers from the surrounding areas... A study of surnames will show the links to Egypt and Syria and elsewhere... I also believe that many of those who remained in Israel and did not flee, as ordered by the Arab armies .. to await the destruction and then return to claim the land... were likely converted Jews who never left...
And not necessarily disassociated from their actual descent from Hagar,either.
You have no point,Tanskh makes clear their claims are lies repugnant to God so that their destruction is certain and they are specifically barred from Gaza,which is entailed exclusively for Jews.
It's you who has rudely,crudely, and reprehensibly come on to a Jewish site to ignorantly proselytize baseless nonsense.
Your own book,which You arrogantly misunderstood tells you plainly,you are not the Root,but a mere ingrafted wild shoot who ought not boast against the Root.
It makes zero difference,if they kept the covenant there would be no need for question.
There is zero doubt,no one was interested in tfe desolate wilderness of Palestine before the Zionists,and tfe Fakestinians Narrative is one hundred percent nonsense with no basis in reality.
With a few exceptions the Arabs of Gaza Judea and Samaria are descendent from Egyptian and Mesopotamian workers who came to work for the Jewish pioneers who returned to Israel in the late 1800's and early 1900's
There were always small populations of Jews Bedouins and Arabs scattered throughout Judea and Samaria which was governed from the 1500's to the end of WW I by the Ottoman Empire as the province of Palestine . But most of the land was barren or swampy. When Mark Twain visited it the late 1800's he found it " empty and barren". In the late 1800's the Sultan needed money and began selling land to wealthy European Jews who began the return to their homeland for Jews who were no longer welcome in the Russian Empire and the Austro Hungarian Empire and in France after the Dryfus Affair. These returningvJews created agricultural jobs for Arabs from Egypt and Mesopotamia
Well if Mark Twain, noted population expert says the land was empty, it must have been! Never mind that swamps are a crucial part of the landscape and draining them causes ecological devastation. Those who love God so much should ponder why he made the Promised land so swampy in the first place.
During the 400 years the Ottoman Empire governed land that had blossomed with olive trees and pastured flocks of sheep was allowed to go fallow and become swampy
The return of the Jews enabled the land to blossom again.
I suggest you read Benny Morris’s book on the history of Israel/Palestine. Both the Ottomans and the Arabs were very willing to sell their land to Jews.Morris gets his material from both western, Russian and Middle Eastern official sources- official documents, newspapers, personal journals and recorded interviews. Unfortunately the Arab countries have not allowed much source documents to be made publicly available. I wonder why. Some things to hide?
What's in a name? I propose we stop identifying ourselves as Jews or as "whites" and start identifying as Israelites or Judeans, thereby reinforcing our indigenous status.
White: Those of Christian heritage and European ancestral origin
Jews: A religeo-ethnic entity of Jewish heritage and Levantine ancestral origin.
To remove the religious component of "White" would be to subsume Jews, Moslems, and followers of any other religion under the "racial" category of White, so long as they were of European ancestry.
Historically, for Europeans and their colonial descendants — those who settled in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Africa — Christian was a defining attribute of their collective identity. They purposefully and consciously excluded followers of any other religion. It is only through the recent introduction of Critical Race Theory (CRT) that religious distinction has been blurred to encourage the condemnation as victimizers / oppressors anyone "non-racialized". Thus, Jews have been labeled as White, and not just White but the Whitest of the White, and therefore deserving the worst of the condemnation.
Never a good idea to reveal your private sexual practices through projection onto others.
Turkey lies on the periphery of the Levant. The Republic of Albania lies in Southeast Europe. According to the classification of White vs. Jew, Muslims of either peoples are not Whites. Christian Albanians can claim to be White because they fulfill the definition.
That said, merely because they do not fall into the classification of white, does not make them any less worthy of respect or deny them their right to celebrate their religion, culture and heritage, so long as it is in keeping with universal laws, like not practicing honour killing or female genital mutilation.
"It is silly to demand land based on 2,000 year old roots."
According to this logic, Indigenous peoples world wide lose their rights to their traditional, ancestral homelands. Further, all the legal cases brought by them against governments that dispossessed them must be rejected, prior court decisions in their favour annulled, the monies rewarded them returned to the states' treasuries, and the lands recognized as theirs removed from them. Doubt if they would accept that.
Firstly, thank you for calling out the foul-mouthed DeMedia. He has no sense of appropriate boundaries. His slander of you is absolutely indefensible. Hopefully you shrugged him off as one would bird droppings on one's shoe.
You raise an very good ethical question. Granted that Indigenous lands were illegally appropriated, how to repair the damage. Do we return, replace, repair, make restitution? Truth and reconciliation committees are grappling with this issue.
Regarding the statement that Palestinians originate from the Levant, I defer to law and history supported by empirical evidence. Firstly, according tothe Geneva Genocide convention, there are four categories of protected peoples: Ethnicities, Religions, Races, and Nationalities. Those called Palestinian originate in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza. How far back that origin goes has been subjected to scholarly study with some disturbing results. Suffice it to say, looking at the term "Palestinian," ethnically they are Arab. Their language is \Arabic and their culture with usual regional variation, likewise Arabic. Their religion is Islam. They do not constitute a race as they do not have unique physiological traits that distinguish them from all other peoples. As for a national identity, it is more appropriate to let them speak for themselves.
To cite the late senior PLO official Zuheir Mohsen . . . in the Dutch daily Trouw in 1977 . . .:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
— Zuheir Mohsen to James Dorsey, “Wij zijn alleen Palestijn om politieke reden”, Trouw, March 31, 1977.
His referral to the goal of the "Palestinian Movement" not to create a state but to eliminate an already existing sovereign one and to cleanse the land of the Jews per Surah 2:191 is echoed in the charters of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PA. That is their raison d'etre.
There is more evidence to demonstrate that Palestinian is a recently invented identity created in 1964 and retroactively ascribed to the Judean, Samarian, and Gazan Arabs for politically expedient reasons.
While the foregoing arguments are routinely dismissed out of hand by SJW, Woke, Intersectorial, Progressives; nevertheless, intellectual integrity demands that they be scrutinized and their merit refuted when and where possible according to logic and evidence. I rest my case. Speaking of which, if I may, those supporting the claim that Israel is a colonial, settler, apartheid experiment would do well to examine the principle of international law "Uti possidetis juris" which governs disputed land claims such as the Israeli-Arab ones to Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.
I love brevity and I believe that I have never read such a concise and accurate description of the history of the Jews in their land as you have written here. I applaud your writing my friend. Unfortunately, there are many who will start screaming at the first paragraph. As I have volunteered many times in these discussions, I am a simple man. The only way to hold on to the land is to keep our shields bright and our intentions true. Also sharpen the swords occasionally. I am happy to have a reasonable discussion with anyone. But should someone become unreasonable, then the alternatives must be considered.
Not at all. Just do not want Israel to be caught napping again.
From the Sea to the River Hashem delivered
Good article. Thanks for the lists of different kinds of evidence.
But you left out an important one....It's worth noting that the Arch of Titus in Rome shows the Jews being led off as slaves by Romans, bearing the Menorah and the Table of Showbread from the Temple in Jerusalem. So there you have pictorial evidence of our presence in the land, going back almost 2000 years....and evidence provided by one of our conquerors.
The most startling disconnect ... Xtians, not two months ago celebrated the birth of a rabbi born in Judea/Summaria that had already had a flourishing Jewish community for a millennium. Either the guy was real or not.
Facts are meaningless to the Jew haters. Thankful the new U.S. government gets it. Get all the Arab colonizers out of Israel once and for all.
Zionism is the Central Theme of the Bible,including the NT,which Churchians can't understand,not bring grounded in The Law,which eliminates most of Saul/Paul's gibberish.
From Genesis to tfe 12 gates of New Jerusalem,named for tfe Tribes of Israel,and in between tfe repeated promise that the Jew Haters will be desolated,but Israel will be cleansed and tfe people as well,and their sins forgiven.
That's what it's all about. And when God's outrage of making this tiny people a majestic light for tfe world is done,tfe world will finally KNOW He is God,that's the whole point!
Actually, Jesus Christ is the theme of the whole Bible, including the Old Testament, starting at Genesis 3:15.
Brilliant, as always! Spot on. Truth! Thank you!
Excellent post Joshua; one of the best repizes of Israel's history. Quite furor in the comments. All settled by the covenantal promises of G-d to Abraham et al. In perpetuity, as I read it.
But we don’t. In Gaza Hamas rules (thank you Biden/Trump) In Judea/Samaria Abbas is in the 21st year of his 4-year term, and if they ever do have an election they’ll elect Hamas for certain.
Thx for this summary. Although not related directly to Palestine, the Koran makes multiple references to Jews in today’s Saudi Arabia. The Arabs either chose to kill them, or hire them for their usefulness.
It all started in Judea thousands years ago. HASHEM ALMIGHTY promised Eretz Yisrael to Jews to be our homeland forever. HASHEM divided each tribe their share . We have to remember that two and half of twelve tribes have their land share on eastern side of Jordan River. David HaMelech was a King first in Hebron but he removed the capital to Jerusalem over 3000 years ago. David HaMelech bought Mount Moriah for the Temple because the Tabernacle (Mishkan) was only in the tent and David himself lived in cedar tree Palace. NOW we are living the “ End of Days “ in the Torah and Kabbalah. The final battle of evil and good is NOW , global revolution, global intifada 🙌🙏🔥The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Israel (Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin is also in the Third Temple in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱HASHEM ALMIGHTY will destroy all the evil and also Satan himself away forever to eternity 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🔥The final peace comes after Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem 🙌🙏🔥With the Third Temple we can get our prayers to higher levels 🙌🙏🔥🇮🇱✡️❤️✡️🇮🇱🙌🙏
From the river to the sea is Israeli territory, some occupied by illegal Arab invaders, false named Palestinians!
Hugely cherrypicked selection of incidents. As per usual no mention of the Biblical narrative of the foundation of the proto-state that became the Kingdom of Israel, probably because a story about a group of people committing genocide on an existing population because God tells them to is all too similar to current events. Doubtless there will be those who justify it as the Canaanite’s practiced human sacrifice which is absolutely never been used as a justification by an invading force to commit atrocities. Not to mention the supreme irony of committing a general massacre prevent a few deaths.
Once again I ask defenders of Israel to not fall back on dubious religious or blood and soil narratives to defend a state that has no need of them. Israel would be worth defending if Jews had arrived there at the same time as the Mayflower touched land at Plymouth Rock. ‘Indigenous’ is a meaningless concept and always has been.
No, the Palestinians do not deserve a state of their own for several reasons.
1) They have been offered a state several times starting with the UN partition plan and rejected it every time including 97% of the West Bank and half of Jerusalem.
2) They have shown that they do not respect other states according to the Westphalian system of respecting borders. Not only do they not respect Israel’s nationhood they don’t respect Jordan’s, Lebanon’s or Kuwait’s.
3) They are not nation builders but nation destroyers as they have shown when they were given Gaza free and clear.
In other words they have shown time and again that they don’t belong in the family of nations because they have no respect for any of it’s other members.
The Palestinian people can have a state once they are deradicalized and have a leadership whose main goal is not to destroy Israel.
What is your source? Are you saying Palestinians aren't Arabs?
None of that irrelevancy changes anything.No one was interested in the desolate wilderness of pre Zionist Israel until the Zionists came and made something of it that the Fakestinians want to usurp.
According to you According to God, Encyclopedia y and noted Jew Hater and Atheist Mark Twain,it was a desolate wilderness.
Twain was particularly shocked at travelling days at a time without seeing a single living soul of ANY ethnicity.
You are not talking to your fellow Luciferians here,and your endlessly baseless nonsense isn't going to fool anyone who understands how to do basic research.
You are wasting your time here.
Try Helena Glass@wordpress.com.Shes an utter loon and will be thrilled to hear your prattle.
Stupid auto-correct! Encyclopedia Brittanica details three major slaughters of Jews from proto Fakestinian Egyptians attacking cross border from Egypt,and counts a remnant of 6K Jews,and 9K Nomadic Bedouin,zero fictional Fakestinians.
Mandate land records from one hundred years later,in 1947 show total resident Arab land ownership at a whopping 3 percent.
Being a sharecropper confers ownership on zero percent of the world's landmass, across zero percent of history.
Neither Encyclopedia Brittanica nor Mark Twain could possibly have any bias for Zionism,having written before the advent of Zionism.
As to my comment about no one being interested in a dry desolate wilderness,that was a quote,from a Fakestinian official,and it's a rare truth from that corner.
It is also true that in many cases, the origin of an individual Fakestinian can be readily discerned through their Clan Surname,generally reflecting Egypt or Transjordan,but possibly ranging as far as Tikrit, Saddam's home range in Iraq.Al Tikriti...
Even a source unfriendly to Israel, such as Wikipedia, says that Palestinians are not genetically distinct from Arabs in Saudia Arabia and other Arab nations. There is no historical source for Palestinian nationhood prior to 1948, or for the notion they have ever spoken anything other than Arabic. If so, what is that other language? Where is the evidence for it?
Palestinians are largely converted Jews, Greeks and other Semites with admixture from neighbouring groups. From the Wikipedia article you mention but don’t quote: “Historical records and later genetic studies indicate that the Palestinian people descend mostly from Ancient Levantines extending back to Bronze Age inhabitants of Levant.[10][a]…According to Palestinian historian Nazmi Al-Ju'beh, like in other Arab nations, the Arab identity of Palestinians is largely based on linguistic and cultural affiliation and is not necessarily associated with the existence of any Arabian origins.[20]”
Genetic research, along with archeological and historical sources, is fascinating. Many folk falsely assert that because Ashkenazi Jews all seem to have come from Eastern Europe, they are of European origin. Yet the fact they are distinct from other Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Russian, Ukrainians, show they do not. Some falsely connect them to the ancient Khazars, a Turkic people that adopted Judaism in lower Eastern Europe near Turkey. But also quote from Wikipedia, "While the consensus in genetic research is that the world's Jewish populations (including the Ashkenazim) share substantial genetic ancestry derived from a common Ancient Middle Eastern founder population, and that Ashkenazi Jews have no genetic ancestry attributable to Khazars." Ashkenai Jews, as with Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews, all share Middle Eastern ancestry based on genetic studies, which brings us full circle to the 12 Tribes of Israel disbursed throughout the world after various conquests, but all indigenous to the Middle East.
Many so called Palestinians were migrant workers from the surrounding areas... A study of surnames will show the links to Egypt and Syria and elsewhere... I also believe that many of those who remained in Israel and did not flee, as ordered by the Arab armies .. to await the destruction and then return to claim the land... were likely converted Jews who never left...
And not necessarily disassociated from their actual descent from Hagar,either.
You have no point,Tanskh makes clear their claims are lies repugnant to God so that their destruction is certain and they are specifically barred from Gaza,which is entailed exclusively for Jews.
It's you who has rudely,crudely, and reprehensibly come on to a Jewish site to ignorantly proselytize baseless nonsense.
Your own book,which You arrogantly misunderstood tells you plainly,you are not the Root,but a mere ingrafted wild shoot who ought not boast against the Root.
You came here to stir up contention and strife.
You fully earned my contempt.
It makes zero difference,if they kept the covenant there would be no need for question.
There is zero doubt,no one was interested in tfe desolate wilderness of Palestine before the Zionists,and tfe Fakestinians Narrative is one hundred percent nonsense with no basis in reality.
Nice self description,but I have heard talking to one's self is less than healthy.
If they speak Arabic and have Arabic customs and religion it’s easy to see a connection to the Arabian peninsula
They are Hagar's,are you stupid or just bizarrely ignorant?
With a few exceptions the Arabs of Gaza Judea and Samaria are descendent from Egyptian and Mesopotamian workers who came to work for the Jewish pioneers who returned to Israel in the late 1800's and early 1900's
There were always small populations of Jews Bedouins and Arabs scattered throughout Judea and Samaria which was governed from the 1500's to the end of WW I by the Ottoman Empire as the province of Palestine . But most of the land was barren or swampy. When Mark Twain visited it the late 1800's he found it " empty and barren". In the late 1800's the Sultan needed money and began selling land to wealthy European Jews who began the return to their homeland for Jews who were no longer welcome in the Russian Empire and the Austro Hungarian Empire and in France after the Dryfus Affair. These returningvJews created agricultural jobs for Arabs from Egypt and Mesopotamia
Well if Mark Twain, noted population expert says the land was empty, it must have been! Never mind that swamps are a crucial part of the landscape and draining them causes ecological devastation. Those who love God so much should ponder why he made the Promised land so swampy in the first place.
During the 400 years the Ottoman Empire governed land that had blossomed with olive trees and pastured flocks of sheep was allowed to go fallow and become swampy
The return of the Jews enabled the land to blossom again.
I suggest you read Benny Morris’s book on the history of Israel/Palestine. Both the Ottomans and the Arabs were very willing to sell their land to Jews.Morris gets his material from both western, Russian and Middle Eastern official sources- official documents, newspapers, personal journals and recorded interviews. Unfortunately the Arab countries have not allowed much source documents to be made publicly available. I wonder why. Some things to hide?