Unfortunately most Palestinians agree with Hamas or it wouldn’t have stayed in power this long. Their children are taught that the only way to heaven is to kill infidels. Their only reason for being on this earth is to kill Jews. This has been taught by parents schools Imans etc for thousands of years. It has been strongly pushed on the population since Israel was created. This indoctrination was found in the schools in the West Bank after the war in 1967. It is now the same in Iran. It’s the same with the people in the US who have become the ultra liberal left wingers and read the NYT like it’s their Bible. Even many Israelis will not see the truth. These are the immigrants whose ancestors come from democratic western cultures. The Sephardim know with whom they are dealing. Even our own Jewish politicians don’t understanding the situation.
Yes, but just a minor correction: Islam has only been around for 1400 years, not thousands of years. The Jews/Israelites have been around for around 3,200 years. So they were already an ancient people when the Muslims invaded and colonized the Land of Israel.
You are right about the number of years. However the Jewish calendar goes back over 5000 years. The Jews and their tribal neighbors have always been in genocidal wars with each other from the time Moses led the Jews out of Egypt. The Jews have become 21st century people. Most of the other tribes in the Middle East are still living in the culture of the Middle Ages if not before. Not only are these horrendous battles written up in the Bible but Josephus described them in great savage detail.
Actually our neighboring Peoples who emerged with us just after the collapse of the Bronze Age around 1200 BCE (Ammonites, Edomites, Moabites, Phillistines, Arameans) are all gone. We’re the only ones who survived.
You are correct. Unless we keep the support of the USA we have no hope. We must make sure our next president supports Israel. Also beware of all these Jewish politicians who are not supporting Israel. I’m only hoping Rubio will be our next president.
True - however, the most ancient and abiding teachings, that murder is wrong and we are created in the image of G-d - are naturally more appealing to children and all of us. Anyone can pick up a stick and "shoot" enemies, but to find a Tonka truck and build a sand city - that's got traction. As both Jersualem and Rome proved, among other things, the builders win.
there are those who believe it. and there are those who pretend to believe it. and there are those who absolutely know what's false, but choose to pretend it's true and act upon that pretense.
Superb analysis of the possible different takes people assume regarding this matter. I had not well considered the third option, which -- upon further consideration -- may comprise the largest number of adherents.
Since Hamas won't disarm and the Board of Peace will not enforce disarmament, IsraEl has no choice but to conquer what remains of Gaza and expel the Palestinians who live there. That would put an end to this conundrum. Ditto for Judea and Samaria where the same scenario is being repeated.
I don't care where they go as long as they get out of the Land of Israel. It always amuses me that Jews ask that question. Did anyone ask that question when Kuwait expelled 350,000 Palestinians? Is Israel responsible for relocating people who murder Israelis? The world is a big place. The Palestinians will go wherever they can. They can ask their tribal relatives for hospitality. Antarctica is not too populated. China needs young people. So does South Korea. Turkey and Malaysia hate Israel so they can use new recruits. Who cares? The Palestinians should consider themselves lucky to be alive. If some wind up staying they should be subject to drastic control for at least the next fifty years. No charity. No mosques. No voting. Education in Hebrew. Israel has to rethink what containing a hostile population involves. The Bible is a good place to start, not the fake and specious international law Israel's enemies invoke when it suits them.
Yup it is a scam…..most people don’t understand their “upbringing” and hatred towards anyone that is not Muslim and doesn’t think like them!! Very sad and pathetic!
Totally agree Hamas disarmament is a scam. They should be told all their prior behavior indicates they fully deserving of absolutely no trust at all ever about anything at any time. Actions always tell the truth when words lie. There are consequences! And this means that they will need to be slowly, comprehensively and completely disarmed no matter how long it takes!
Israel and the Diaspora must assume the worst case scenario and develop a plan for war that doesn’t rely on alliances. It will not be easy but Jews have no choice. Eyes must be wide open.
The only actual comparator in my view is Nazi Germany. The fanaticism is the same, the indoctrination is the same, the use of terror is the same and the remedy of outside total control and de-nazification alongside a rebuild would seem to be the same…. only it isn’t. It isn’t because unlike the total defeat and surrender of Germany beforehand, Hamas and its backers across the Islamic world are still here and still wielding power.
That actual experienced grown ups are sitting at boards of peace and the like, conversing with these lunatics, making statements and publishing agreements is more than Alice through the Looking Glass. It’s akin to an international psychosis brought on by reality blindness.
Saramago, the Portuguese Nobel laureate who was also an antisemite, wrote a book called blindness whose moral was that cognitive blindness leads to moral depravity, which one might call psychosis. I take the author's antisemitism as living vindication of his tale. But given the persistence of anti-Israel hatred in the contemporary world, I wonder if the psychosis explains the reality blindness. The murderous death instinct is hard at work today in the venom directed against Israel and the Jews, fueling the millennial Jew hatred that started once Christianity got going as an institutional concern, let alone as a travesty of Judaism. Jesus in a way was the first If Not Know antizionist. There is a substack called Freedom to Offend where the author had an interesting take on Judaism and Christianity.
I’d assumed as much — that this is another purported break during which they reorganize. Would love if it were otherwise, but so did the Jews and others who were living on and dancing near that Gaza border on 10/7 and those were many of our most earnest, devoted peacemakers. G-d help us all.
Israel must reject this. Trump will bluster. He will do nothing. He never does. To agree to this deal is to agree that Hamas has won the war. No rational person on earth thinks that if Israel withdraws from Gaza under these conditions, Hamas won't reconstituted itself and use international aid to rebuild its tunnels and war machines. Israel has to make it clear this is not going to happen.
Islam is very open about its hatred for Jews, and for all others non-Muslims. They are becoming bolder in their encroachment on non-Muslim parts of the world and it seems to be happening all over the world. In my own town and surrounding towns have seen the steady increase of mosques, the incredible rise of Muslim owned businesses. BTW, exactly who is drinking all that tea and coffee in those countless pastry shops, feeling they are a front for something else. They want to accomplish the exact same dominance as in Dearborn, and that is still a work in progress. They want to dominate, control and over power. They want to first annohilat Israel and Jews all over the world, and then force all non-Muslims to either convert, pay them "taxes" or eliminate them. Why do so many continue to whine But there are some good Muslims...? The so-called good ones will simply follow the path of the evil ones because they need to be fearful also. I feel too many are closing their eyes to what is happening, it will soon brme too late.
"October 7th should have ended the West’s habit of treating Hamas’ ideology as theatrical excess. Hamas did not merely attack a military position or attempt to improve its bargaining power. It launched a mass assault against Israeli communities, killed roughly 1,200 people, and took 251 hostages."
Attacking Jews because they were Jews meets the definition of the Geneva Genocide Convention as a blatant act of genocide. However, in their infinite wisdom, world governments, the Un, the ICj, diplomats, and the media act as apologists.
However practical and realistic, given the world's hostile attitude towards Israel, the recommended solutions read more like a shout into the void.
The president simply wants the optics of having created a "peace" deal in Gaza which he can take credit for. He's not thinking about the long-term consequences for Israel. I'm glad Bibi is withstanding the pressure to relent to this farce. Of course he's being bashed as being an obstacle to peace. Those critics are not the ones who will reap the consequences of trusting their own nation's safety and security to a muslim "peacekeeping" force on their borders and on the promise from terrorist group committed to their destruction, that they have agreed to disarm. Bibi will not compromise on the safety of Jewish children in Israel, not even on Trump's orders.
"The burden of international pressure begins shifting from the terrorist organization that has retained its weapons to the Jewish state that does not trust it".
Unfortunately most Palestinians agree with Hamas or it wouldn’t have stayed in power this long. Their children are taught that the only way to heaven is to kill infidels. Their only reason for being on this earth is to kill Jews. This has been taught by parents schools Imans etc for thousands of years. It has been strongly pushed on the population since Israel was created. This indoctrination was found in the schools in the West Bank after the war in 1967. It is now the same in Iran. It’s the same with the people in the US who have become the ultra liberal left wingers and read the NYT like it’s their Bible. Even many Israelis will not see the truth. These are the immigrants whose ancestors come from democratic western cultures. The Sephardim know with whom they are dealing. Even our own Jewish politicians don’t understanding the situation.
Yes, but just a minor correction: Islam has only been around for 1400 years, not thousands of years. The Jews/Israelites have been around for around 3,200 years. So they were already an ancient people when the Muslims invaded and colonized the Land of Israel.
You are right about the number of years. However the Jewish calendar goes back over 5000 years. The Jews and their tribal neighbors have always been in genocidal wars with each other from the time Moses led the Jews out of Egypt. The Jews have become 21st century people. Most of the other tribes in the Middle East are still living in the culture of the Middle Ages if not before. Not only are these horrendous battles written up in the Bible but Josephus described them in great savage detail.
Actually our neighboring Peoples who emerged with us just after the collapse of the Bronze Age around 1200 BCE (Ammonites, Edomites, Moabites, Phillistines, Arameans) are all gone. We’re the only ones who survived.
You are correct. Unless we keep the support of the USA we have no hope. We must make sure our next president supports Israel. Also beware of all these Jewish politicians who are not supporting Israel. I’m only hoping Rubio will be our next president.
True - however, the most ancient and abiding teachings, that murder is wrong and we are created in the image of G-d - are naturally more appealing to children and all of us. Anyone can pick up a stick and "shoot" enemies, but to find a Tonka truck and build a sand city - that's got traction. As both Jersualem and Rome proved, among other things, the builders win.
You may believe this but the Muslims do not!
There are over a billion of them. They contain multitudes. If we do not seek signs of hope, our cause is hopeless by definition.
You are correct unless we bo
Anyone that believes this rubbish is a complete imbecile.
Israel is absolutely right to be concerned. The IDF need to take control of this on their terms.
there are those who believe it. and there are those who pretend to believe it. and there are those who absolutely know what's false, but choose to pretend it's true and act upon that pretense.
Or — others who act as though they believe, while preparing for what they can assume, to be true. I suspect President Trump is in that camp. ⛺️
Superb analysis of the possible different takes people assume regarding this matter. I had not well considered the third option, which -- upon further consideration -- may comprise the largest number of adherents.
Since Hamas won't disarm and the Board of Peace will not enforce disarmament, IsraEl has no choice but to conquer what remains of Gaza and expel the Palestinians who live there. That would put an end to this conundrum. Ditto for Judea and Samaria where the same scenario is being repeated.
As if the Arab states don’t have enough land or money to house the gazan and West Bank Arabs.
Where do you propose the go? None of their Arab brethren want them.
I don't care where they go as long as they get out of the Land of Israel. It always amuses me that Jews ask that question. Did anyone ask that question when Kuwait expelled 350,000 Palestinians? Is Israel responsible for relocating people who murder Israelis? The world is a big place. The Palestinians will go wherever they can. They can ask their tribal relatives for hospitality. Antarctica is not too populated. China needs young people. So does South Korea. Turkey and Malaysia hate Israel so they can use new recruits. Who cares? The Palestinians should consider themselves lucky to be alive. If some wind up staying they should be subject to drastic control for at least the next fifty years. No charity. No mosques. No voting. Education in Hebrew. Israel has to rethink what containing a hostile population involves. The Bible is a good place to start, not the fake and specious international law Israel's enemies invoke when it suits them.
Iran has enough space for them
Yup it is a scam…..most people don’t understand their “upbringing” and hatred towards anyone that is not Muslim and doesn’t think like them!! Very sad and pathetic!
Totally agree Hamas disarmament is a scam. They should be told all their prior behavior indicates they fully deserving of absolutely no trust at all ever about anything at any time. Actions always tell the truth when words lie. There are consequences! And this means that they will need to be slowly, comprehensively and completely disarmed no matter how long it takes!
Israel and the Diaspora must assume the worst case scenario and develop a plan for war that doesn’t rely on alliances. It will not be easy but Jews have no choice. Eyes must be wide open.
Behoukosai aka Leviticus 26.3 check it out. It must be done.
The only actual comparator in my view is Nazi Germany. The fanaticism is the same, the indoctrination is the same, the use of terror is the same and the remedy of outside total control and de-nazification alongside a rebuild would seem to be the same…. only it isn’t. It isn’t because unlike the total defeat and surrender of Germany beforehand, Hamas and its backers across the Islamic world are still here and still wielding power.
That actual experienced grown ups are sitting at boards of peace and the like, conversing with these lunatics, making statements and publishing agreements is more than Alice through the Looking Glass. It’s akin to an international psychosis brought on by reality blindness.
Saramago, the Portuguese Nobel laureate who was also an antisemite, wrote a book called blindness whose moral was that cognitive blindness leads to moral depravity, which one might call psychosis. I take the author's antisemitism as living vindication of his tale. But given the persistence of anti-Israel hatred in the contemporary world, I wonder if the psychosis explains the reality blindness. The murderous death instinct is hard at work today in the venom directed against Israel and the Jews, fueling the millennial Jew hatred that started once Christianity got going as an institutional concern, let alone as a travesty of Judaism. Jesus in a way was the first If Not Know antizionist. There is a substack called Freedom to Offend where the author had an interesting take on Judaism and Christianity.
I’d assumed as much — that this is another purported break during which they reorganize. Would love if it were otherwise, but so did the Jews and others who were living on and dancing near that Gaza border on 10/7 and those were many of our most earnest, devoted peacemakers. G-d help us all.
Israel must reject this. Trump will bluster. He will do nothing. He never does. To agree to this deal is to agree that Hamas has won the war. No rational person on earth thinks that if Israel withdraws from Gaza under these conditions, Hamas won't reconstituted itself and use international aid to rebuild its tunnels and war machines. Israel has to make it clear this is not going to happen.
AMEN 🙏 May the Almighty Lord grant us all the strength to eradicate this evil disease ridden cult of death‼️🔥🔥🔥
Amen
Islam is very open about its hatred for Jews, and for all others non-Muslims. They are becoming bolder in their encroachment on non-Muslim parts of the world and it seems to be happening all over the world. In my own town and surrounding towns have seen the steady increase of mosques, the incredible rise of Muslim owned businesses. BTW, exactly who is drinking all that tea and coffee in those countless pastry shops, feeling they are a front for something else. They want to accomplish the exact same dominance as in Dearborn, and that is still a work in progress. They want to dominate, control and over power. They want to first annohilat Israel and Jews all over the world, and then force all non-Muslims to either convert, pay them "taxes" or eliminate them. Why do so many continue to whine But there are some good Muslims...? The so-called good ones will simply follow the path of the evil ones because they need to be fearful also. I feel too many are closing their eyes to what is happening, it will soon brme too late.
"October 7th should have ended the West’s habit of treating Hamas’ ideology as theatrical excess. Hamas did not merely attack a military position or attempt to improve its bargaining power. It launched a mass assault against Israeli communities, killed roughly 1,200 people, and took 251 hostages."
Attacking Jews because they were Jews meets the definition of the Geneva Genocide Convention as a blatant act of genocide. However, in their infinite wisdom, world governments, the Un, the ICj, diplomats, and the media act as apologists.
However practical and realistic, given the world's hostile attitude towards Israel, the recommended solutions read more like a shout into the void.
The president simply wants the optics of having created a "peace" deal in Gaza which he can take credit for. He's not thinking about the long-term consequences for Israel. I'm glad Bibi is withstanding the pressure to relent to this farce. Of course he's being bashed as being an obstacle to peace. Those critics are not the ones who will reap the consequences of trusting their own nation's safety and security to a muslim "peacekeeping" force on their borders and on the promise from terrorist group committed to their destruction, that they have agreed to disarm. Bibi will not compromise on the safety of Jewish children in Israel, not even on Trump's orders.
Yes, absolutely. The Hamas rats are saying themselves that they’ll keep their personal weapons.
The burden of international pressure has NEVER been on hamas, it has always been placed on Israel.
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"The burden of international pressure begins shifting from the terrorist organization that has retained its weapons to the Jewish state that does not trust it".