For those who courageously stand with Israel, here is a step-by-step strategy to shut down the false genocide narrative levied at the Jewish state and expose the dangerous double standards fueling it.
Jew haters like racists have no interest in logic or debate. Until our teachers stop teaching jew hatred it will continue especially when the inflammatory word is repeated by media lemmings and politicians. And now increasingly self hating jews.
Exactly. Trying to explain to them, rationally, well… so many don’t actually care; they want an excuse to be antisemitic. No amount of logic or rationality will penetrate that mindset, unfortunately
I LOVE Israel & I've been ''defending her'' for as long as I can remember. [Mostly on social media & in everyday convo w/ friends. My friends also love Israel & we love talking about Israel & how she is kicking Hamas ass & soooooooo much more. I'll share whatever pro Israel info I can get my hands on. I love busting these genocide liars!
I have no interest in or time to argue with anti-semites. They are immune to the truth. If someone is genuinely ignorant and asks me questions in good faith I am happy to educate them.
Do not ever answer such a question. Say "prove to me that there is NOT a big sign on Mars that says '_____ (name of moron who is bothering you) is an idiot.' I'm waiting."
This stupid argumentative device (shifting the burden of proof) has always been a favorite of Louis Farrakhan,eighth grade debate club kids with no teacher supervision, and other idiots not worthy of your energy.
It's a very interesting strategy worth trying...that is if I was still speaking to anyone I knew, or if they were speaking to me...which they aren't. So I guess I will go and try it in the mirror. But really it comes down to is.... who has the bigger piece of the pie on Education and Propaganda. We know the answer to that. Until that is solved, I will have discussions alone. However, I might add, the ones I revile the most are the self-hating Jews who have never experienced an ounce of discomfort.....yet...........
I like a lot of the comments on how others have dealt with these morons and I hope I remember some of them.
Recently I was on a demo (supporting Iranians as it happens) and someone screamed ‘baby killer’ at me. My response was to look at my watch, then at them and say “yes, well I really must get on as I’ve only killed a couple this morning and I have plenty more to kill by tea time”. It certainly shut them up.
You cannot win this argument even with idiot antisemites who just don’t know history or genocide or for that matter any Palestinians. But they sure know you and negate you.
So the only things you can say only make you feel better. So say anything! Or nothing.
I flood them with facts and walk away. Did you forget Oct 7? 1929? 1949? 1967? 1971? Etc. did you read the Hamas manifest of 1989 and 2017? No, then you are f..ing idiot. and then walk away.
The best "defense" is not to engage these infantile genocide screamers but to ignore them and their false premise. Being ignored with people like this is the best way to frustrate them in the use of this falsity. I use the old childhood rhyme as an example "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." Ignore these freaks which takes discipline but it can be done.
I agree that too much is made of the PR war. Yeah, I guess it would be good if Israel waged a better one, but at the same time no matter what we say they will hate Israel if they want to hate Israel.
Well. I understand the need to defend Israel. But i would do it differently. When they ask if Israel is doing a genocide. Agree. And it will get a lot worse unless the Hamas dudes do not release the hostages and get the hell out of there. What have you got to lose . You cannot change their mind. There would be many responses to your agreement . One could be disgust. And they will go away. No worries nothing gained nothing lost. Another would be " thats awful why would they want to do that" which means that you now have an opportunity to control the conversation. I could answer ... well they started it and had the chance to prevent it in the beginning by for example releasing all the hostages. This conversation can now go in many directions and with a bit of preparations the worst that can happen is that they would walk away. Like before no worries. But you have possibly put a different element in their thinking. But in my opinion the best part is that they (may) understand Israel is committed and strong.
I do a similar thing in conversation with acquaintances. But I go on to say something like. You know (highly motivated overachieving ancient ((I am old as £u(K))) me and I name one or two mutual friends. We usually do a pretty good job about any task we set out on. Agreed, so you know a few of us we are typically people of our word. So just how do you explain the lousy job we’re doing with this genocide of the Palestinians. Their population continues to grow. Then since I know who I’m speaking with to go on and say that “you know I read the Quran because of my curiosity about the seemingly deep seated Jew hatred in the Arab world and I have read and reread Hamas latest English language version of their latest charter and they clearly state that their goal is the annihilation of every Jew in the world, really its right here” then I open the pdf of Hamas charter. It goes on and on depending on whom I’m talking with. I don’t know what my batting average is on opinion change on this issue but at least I’ve shown them in black and white that the issue is not about a Palestinian Arab homeland but it’s about annihilating me and all other Jews everywhere.
Yes thats another way. I suggest its much better than having to explain or defending Israels actions. I suggest that a response that says Israel is doing this that and the other because they are doing it to protect their future. Anything that makes themlook strong and powerful.
I like it. "They actually aren't committing genocide, but I wish they would do more. Just end the whole thing once and for all. Like we did with Japan and Germany. People die in war. If you don't like it, don't start one -- with Israel.
Terrific! Just want to add one thing. You say that the use of the word "genocide" is provocative because, "Genocide is the worst thing humanly possible, and Israel is committing it."
In addition, because Jews were the victims of the worst genocide in history, I think they mean to denigrate and shame Jews for committing the same atrocity. It's a disgusting back-handed and cowardly attack on us.
However, about 47% of Israelis (much higher percent among religious ones) support genociding Gaza (or any other vanquished city, the Amalek strategy) according to this survey: https://jfjfp.com/a-grim-poll-showed-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans-its-brutal-and-its-true/. Read the whole thing, because one of the questions was about expulsion, but another about genocide. I don't blame those Israelis, if the methodology of the poll is correct. They are sick of being butchered and having rockets fired at them. Having to spend a large part of their economy on defense. So maybe instead of defending, we should go on the offensive and say something like, unfortunately when someone wants to genocide you, and you've tried all other options to stop them, genocide may be the only option in order to prevent being genocided yourself? I personally don't believe that, I think Hamas can be stopped without a genocide (but not just killing Hamasniks, there are also other Marshall plan-like steps necessary). But it is another strategy to say "fuck you" to these people.
It’s a complete waste of time arguing with someone who thinks that Israel is committing genocide. They are indoctrinated morons and most likely anti-Semitic. Throw them the middle finger and walk away.
I'm glad this strategy works for you. If I get into it with someone on social media, I simply point out that if Hamas were to surrender and release the hostages, whatever it is would stop immediately (unheard of among "genocides").
More seriously, accusing Israel of "genocide" is holocaust inversion, a special tactic of psychological terrorism directed at Jewish people, and—frankly—hate speech of a particularly insidious kind. I just came out with an essay in my Substack about this, "Holocaust Inversion: Terrorism and Hate Speech." https://postwokepnw.substack.com/p/holocaust-inversion-terrorism-and
I just read it! Terrific. I think we chatted in the Comment section of a different FOJ article and you mentioned this piece, but I couldn't find it.
I totally agree and you explain it perfectly and succinctly I might add. Just one comment. You -- and others -- often mention Hamas stealing food and selling it. Who are they selling it to? If they're selling it to Gazans, that would imply there is still an economy going on with people making money? Do you know?
There is an economy, since I see videos of cafes, restaurants, and markets in Gaza constantly on social media. I think most lower-class people are hard-pressed, though. Doing odd jobs or staffing the cafes and restaurants.
One response I've given "genocide!" shriekers: "If you had crazy neighbors who repeatedly threatened you, and actually tried to harm you on numerous occasions, would you try to do something about it? If you defended yourself, would that make you a murderer? If they belonged to a specific ethnic group, would you be guilty of genocide against that group?" I don't usually get a reply, for some reason.
Jew haters like racists have no interest in logic or debate. Until our teachers stop teaching jew hatred it will continue especially when the inflammatory word is repeated by media lemmings and politicians. And now increasingly self hating jews.
Exactly. Trying to explain to them, rationally, well… so many don’t actually care; they want an excuse to be antisemitic. No amount of logic or rationality will penetrate that mindset, unfortunately
Many of today's accusers reek of centuries of antisemites, mockingly demanding of their Jewish neighbor, "Prove your innocence, Jew!"
It’s like asking someone: do you abuse your wife physically or emotionally?
Or asking Zohran Mandani:
Does your obvious desire for the extermination of Israel’s seven million Jews extend to the one million Jews of NYC for whom you will soon be mayor?
Someone should ask him that!!
I LOVE Israel & I've been ''defending her'' for as long as I can remember. [Mostly on social media & in everyday convo w/ friends. My friends also love Israel & we love talking about Israel & how she is kicking Hamas ass & soooooooo much more. I'll share whatever pro Israel info I can get my hands on. I love busting these genocide liars!
Smugness is endemic to the Left. They’re certain of their righteous positions.
I have no interest in or time to argue with anti-semites. They are immune to the truth. If someone is genuinely ignorant and asks me questions in good faith I am happy to educate them.
Do not ever answer such a question. Say "prove to me that there is NOT a big sign on Mars that says '_____ (name of moron who is bothering you) is an idiot.' I'm waiting."
This stupid argumentative device (shifting the burden of proof) has always been a favorite of Louis Farrakhan,eighth grade debate club kids with no teacher supervision, and other idiots not worthy of your energy.
It's a very interesting strategy worth trying...that is if I was still speaking to anyone I knew, or if they were speaking to me...which they aren't. So I guess I will go and try it in the mirror. But really it comes down to is.... who has the bigger piece of the pie on Education and Propaganda. We know the answer to that. Until that is solved, I will have discussions alone. However, I might add, the ones I revile the most are the self-hating Jews who have never experienced an ounce of discomfort.....yet...........
So sad. It’s sickening how people want to believe the worst about the Jewish people and Israel.
Ditto!
I like a lot of the comments on how others have dealt with these morons and I hope I remember some of them.
Recently I was on a demo (supporting Iranians as it happens) and someone screamed ‘baby killer’ at me. My response was to look at my watch, then at them and say “yes, well I really must get on as I’ve only killed a couple this morning and I have plenty more to kill by tea time”. It certainly shut them up.
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LOL! I love it! Oh, how I wish I could see their miserable faces as you told 'em off. hahahahaha👏👏
You cannot win this argument even with idiot antisemites who just don’t know history or genocide or for that matter any Palestinians. But they sure know you and negate you.
So the only things you can say only make you feel better. So say anything! Or nothing.
I flood them with facts and walk away. Did you forget Oct 7? 1929? 1949? 1967? 1971? Etc. did you read the Hamas manifest of 1989 and 2017? No, then you are f..ing idiot. and then walk away.
The best "defense" is not to engage these infantile genocide screamers but to ignore them and their false premise. Being ignored with people like this is the best way to frustrate them in the use of this falsity. I use the old childhood rhyme as an example "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." Ignore these freaks which takes discipline but it can be done.
I agree that too much is made of the PR war. Yeah, I guess it would be good if Israel waged a better one, but at the same time no matter what we say they will hate Israel if they want to hate Israel.
Exactly!
Well. I understand the need to defend Israel. But i would do it differently. When they ask if Israel is doing a genocide. Agree. And it will get a lot worse unless the Hamas dudes do not release the hostages and get the hell out of there. What have you got to lose . You cannot change their mind. There would be many responses to your agreement . One could be disgust. And they will go away. No worries nothing gained nothing lost. Another would be " thats awful why would they want to do that" which means that you now have an opportunity to control the conversation. I could answer ... well they started it and had the chance to prevent it in the beginning by for example releasing all the hostages. This conversation can now go in many directions and with a bit of preparations the worst that can happen is that they would walk away. Like before no worries. But you have possibly put a different element in their thinking. But in my opinion the best part is that they (may) understand Israel is committed and strong.
I do a similar thing in conversation with acquaintances. But I go on to say something like. You know (highly motivated overachieving ancient ((I am old as £u(K))) me and I name one or two mutual friends. We usually do a pretty good job about any task we set out on. Agreed, so you know a few of us we are typically people of our word. So just how do you explain the lousy job we’re doing with this genocide of the Palestinians. Their population continues to grow. Then since I know who I’m speaking with to go on and say that “you know I read the Quran because of my curiosity about the seemingly deep seated Jew hatred in the Arab world and I have read and reread Hamas latest English language version of their latest charter and they clearly state that their goal is the annihilation of every Jew in the world, really its right here” then I open the pdf of Hamas charter. It goes on and on depending on whom I’m talking with. I don’t know what my batting average is on opinion change on this issue but at least I’ve shown them in black and white that the issue is not about a Palestinian Arab homeland but it’s about annihilating me and all other Jews everywhere.
Yes thats another way. I suggest its much better than having to explain or defending Israels actions. I suggest that a response that says Israel is doing this that and the other because they are doing it to protect their future. Anything that makes themlook strong and powerful.
I like it. "They actually aren't committing genocide, but I wish they would do more. Just end the whole thing once and for all. Like we did with Japan and Germany. People die in war. If you don't like it, don't start one -- with Israel.
Let me make a confession. I understand your replyand probably can guess what you have not said. I feel the same.
Thank you for your reply
Terrific! Just want to add one thing. You say that the use of the word "genocide" is provocative because, "Genocide is the worst thing humanly possible, and Israel is committing it."
In addition, because Jews were the victims of the worst genocide in history, I think they mean to denigrate and shame Jews for committing the same atrocity. It's a disgusting back-handed and cowardly attack on us.
However, about 47% of Israelis (much higher percent among religious ones) support genociding Gaza (or any other vanquished city, the Amalek strategy) according to this survey: https://jfjfp.com/a-grim-poll-showed-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans-its-brutal-and-its-true/. Read the whole thing, because one of the questions was about expulsion, but another about genocide. I don't blame those Israelis, if the methodology of the poll is correct. They are sick of being butchered and having rockets fired at them. Having to spend a large part of their economy on defense. So maybe instead of defending, we should go on the offensive and say something like, unfortunately when someone wants to genocide you, and you've tried all other options to stop them, genocide may be the only option in order to prevent being genocided yourself? I personally don't believe that, I think Hamas can be stopped without a genocide (but not just killing Hamasniks, there are also other Marshall plan-like steps necessary). But it is another strategy to say "fuck you" to these people.
Beautiful. Love the reference to the Marshall plan.
It’s a complete waste of time arguing with someone who thinks that Israel is committing genocide. They are indoctrinated morons and most likely anti-Semitic. Throw them the middle finger and walk away.
I'm glad this strategy works for you. If I get into it with someone on social media, I simply point out that if Hamas were to surrender and release the hostages, whatever it is would stop immediately (unheard of among "genocides").
More seriously, accusing Israel of "genocide" is holocaust inversion, a special tactic of psychological terrorism directed at Jewish people, and—frankly—hate speech of a particularly insidious kind. I just came out with an essay in my Substack about this, "Holocaust Inversion: Terrorism and Hate Speech." https://postwokepnw.substack.com/p/holocaust-inversion-terrorism-and
I just read it! Terrific. I think we chatted in the Comment section of a different FOJ article and you mentioned this piece, but I couldn't find it.
I totally agree and you explain it perfectly and succinctly I might add. Just one comment. You -- and others -- often mention Hamas stealing food and selling it. Who are they selling it to? If they're selling it to Gazans, that would imply there is still an economy going on with people making money? Do you know?
There is an economy, since I see videos of cafes, restaurants, and markets in Gaza constantly on social media. I think most lower-class people are hard-pressed, though. Doing odd jobs or staffing the cafes and restaurants.
Also good. It makes sense. But then, "sense" is not really the issue, unfortunately.
One response I've given "genocide!" shriekers: "If you had crazy neighbors who repeatedly threatened you, and actually tried to harm you on numerous occasions, would you try to do something about it? If you defended yourself, would that make you a murderer? If they belonged to a specific ethnic group, would you be guilty of genocide against that group?" I don't usually get a reply, for some reason.