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ThinkforYourself's avatar

I have know this for a long time though you state it far better. I sometimes see comments from groypers against Israel online and reply with a short statement that the USA benefits from a strategic alliance with Israel as much or more than Israel benefits from the USA. If anything, the USA has a history of holding Israel back in wars, costing the lives of IDF soldiers -- though it is good that American naval ships and fighters are on standby in the region and that President Trump is supportive. However, I also know that Israel is capable of defending itself by itself if necessary. Israel provides first rate intelligence and what you term operational expertise" to the USA that it can ill afford to be without. As much as Steven Bannon wants American isolationism, it's not practicable. The USA needs eyes and ears in the Middle East. However, the groypers are so blinded they don't see it and keep misusing the phrase "America First". But it is putting America first to recognize the value of the alliance. USA OR Israel is a false binary. By using it groypers serve as useful idiots for Islamic terrorists and also Communist China, which seems to be in an uholy alliance with Iran. Israel is on the front line in a global war and its enemies would see its fall as the first step in a jihad against the USA. Groypers are not only blinded by anti-Jewish hate; they are also profoundly geopolitically ignorant.

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Israel does not and never did, need the United States. True, the United States led by President Harry S. Truman were the first to recognize Israel. But the United States put an arms embargo on both sides during the 1948 Israeli War of Independence. It was the USSR and Eastern and Central European nations who sent Israel the arms they needed to win the war against the Arab nations. After the war, the United States and Israel had very little of a relationship in the late 1940s, 1950s and the early 1960s. The United States was more interested in courting Gamal Abdel Nasser and Egypt, trying to build relations with the Arab states and stabilizing the oil industry. It wasn’t until Israel defeated Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, won the 1967 Six-Day War and emerged as the region’s preeminent power. This is when the United States sought to become aligned with Israel. It wasn’t until the 1980s that the United States and Israel established a formal alliance. Walter Russell Mead’s statement Joshua quoted here was 100% true. It wasn’t until Israel emerged as a strong nation that America stood up and took notice and it wasn’t until it became clear Israel was an invaluable ally and our interests were aligned that we formally became allies.

Despite the Gaza War, the division created by judicial reform and the ultra-conservative government in power in Jerusalem, Israel is much better off than and has a brighter future, than the United States or any other western country. Israel has a booming economy, a high birth rate, one of the world’s strongest militaries, a first-rate education system, high social trust and a sense of community, universal healthcare, incredible culture, racial and religious diversity, the Most rights anywhere in the Middle East for minorities, women and Christians, an amazing music and festival scene, unmatched natural beauty, thousands of years of history, and a technological sector that is the envy of the world. The United States is in a recession, inflation is through the roof, wages have been stagnant since the 1980s, the healthcare and education systems suck, wealth inequality has gradually gotten wider and wider, the middle class gradually has shrunk, political polarization and racial division plague American society, Congress is totally dysfunctional and little more than a glorified debate club, and our infrastructure is crumbling.

The United States knows darn well it needs Israel more than Israel needs them. Israel protects the aging, weak and economically fragile West from Iran and its Islamist proxies. They help prop up the moderate Arab regimes who are close allies of the United States. Israel ensures that western and liberal values have a presence in the Middle East. They pour billions into the economy and create hundreds of thousands of jobs. The United States benefits tremendously from Israel’s innovations in medicine, science, technology, engineering, water, and agriculture. American Jews have a safe haven in Israel that America is failing to provide them. The IDF provides invaluable training to American police forces. Israelis live a MUCH better quality of life than Americans do despite being surrounded by hostile nations and terrorist groups. Israelis are much happier, healthier and academically proficient than Americans. Israel actually pays their workers a living wage and give them benefits. In America, bosses and corporations exploit workers to the fullest.

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