Good history. Erdogan is an enemy of democracy both in Turkey and outside his own country. Perhaps things will change after Erdogan is gone, which can’t come soon enough by whatever means are most effective. As for Syria, that country has never made peace with Israel, so its claims of sovereignty are irrelevant, justifying Israel in using whatever it takes to thwart threats actual or potential, including from wannabe Ottoman Erdogan.
Given Erdogan's rhetoric and behavior, Ankara has lost the benefit of the doubt on anything they do affecting Israel. That this Islamist ruled country remains in NATO is a serious problem.
Joshua, thank for outlining the long and detailed history between Israel and Turkey. There are many ups and downs, but it’s clear that Erdogan is a militant Islamist, supporting Hamas, Qatar and Iran, especially with his hate for the Kurds.
The devil is in the detail, so ‘talking Turkey’, the topic which perhaps needs more detail, is Turkey’s involvement in the Syrian civil war and Erdogan’s association with Al Jolani, Syria’s new President.
That’s been pretty evident for a while. Read the history of Europe trying to fend off Turkish conquest. Barbaric, brutal, desperate wars. Most of the European nations scarcely contributed to their own defense and the ones who did show up to fight, fought against enormous Muslim hordes, at least ten times the size of their own forces. A long history of Muslims using peace treaties to get their forces in place and then breaking the treaties as if their word were of as little importance as the hundreds of thousands of men they threw at conflicts, fully expecting them to die.
Well laid out history and a cautionary reminder that there are seldom real alliances between countries or peoples, but rather expediencies of the moment.
Really important context. Thanks for sharing. I can already hear the dullard Western haters saying Israel is colonising Syria if you guys have to go in. #noise
Yes Turkey has changed for the worse since Erdogan but bombing Syria again? Israel is not helping the situation it finds itself in. Turkey is a member of NATO which complicates matters further. Syria is Turkey’s neighbour and there’s always tension between neighbours everywhere.
Good history. Erdogan is an enemy of democracy both in Turkey and outside his own country. Perhaps things will change after Erdogan is gone, which can’t come soon enough by whatever means are most effective. As for Syria, that country has never made peace with Israel, so its claims of sovereignty are irrelevant, justifying Israel in using whatever it takes to thwart threats actual or potential, including from wannabe Ottoman Erdogan.
Turkey is no friend of Israel, democracy, or Jews.
You’re absolutely right.
Given Erdogan's rhetoric and behavior, Ankara has lost the benefit of the doubt on anything they do affecting Israel. That this Islamist ruled country remains in NATO is a serious problem.
Joshua, thank for outlining the long and detailed history between Israel and Turkey. There are many ups and downs, but it’s clear that Erdogan is a militant Islamist, supporting Hamas, Qatar and Iran, especially with his hate for the Kurds.
The devil is in the detail, so ‘talking Turkey’, the topic which perhaps needs more detail, is Turkey’s involvement in the Syrian civil war and Erdogan’s association with Al Jolani, Syria’s new President.
Great article. An important slice of history that we need to know.
I'd have thought things began to fall apart when Erdogan decided Turkey should no longer be a secular nation.
I always thought that Turkey could be next enemy for Israel!
Always enlightening, instructive and fascinating! Thank you Josh!
That’s been pretty evident for a while. Read the history of Europe trying to fend off Turkish conquest. Barbaric, brutal, desperate wars. Most of the European nations scarcely contributed to their own defense and the ones who did show up to fight, fought against enormous Muslim hordes, at least ten times the size of their own forces. A long history of Muslims using peace treaties to get their forces in place and then breaking the treaties as if their word were of as little importance as the hundreds of thousands of men they threw at conflicts, fully expecting them to die.
Nothing has changed.
Erdogan is an enemy to Israel his own country hate him. He will try everything to sneak in against Israel
Well laid out history and a cautionary reminder that there are seldom real alliances between countries or peoples, but rather expediencies of the moment.
Really important context. Thanks for sharing. I can already hear the dullard Western haters saying Israel is colonising Syria if you guys have to go in. #noise
Yes Turkey has changed for the worse since Erdogan but bombing Syria again? Israel is not helping the situation it finds itself in. Turkey is a member of NATO which complicates matters further. Syria is Turkey’s neighbour and there’s always tension between neighbours everywhere.
Not a sensible decision.