Louder for the fraudster Peter Beinart, opponent of Zionism only in Israel, who never complains about the self determination, Zionism in a nutshell in the Islamic world. Never existed before, all were made up after WWI: Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, their right to self-determination is never questioned.
There is no ‘Palestine’ and there are no ‘Palestinians’. They are Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, Syria and other surrounding countries who came to Ottoman controlled Palestine when the returning Jews started to cultivate the land make it a success. ‘Palestinianism’ is an ideology that was created by the KGB and Arafat in 1964. Stop treating a fake people as if they are legitimate!
The second state of any two state solution already exists .. it’s called Jordan. The Arabs in gaza and Judea / Samaria can join their brethren in Jordan.
I agree with you. However, in order to do that we must face the reality that lies, disinformation, biassed media and social media are proving to be useful idiots. We need to find a way of challenging that. And when people are not at all interested in facts and fairness, that's a bit of a problem.
Israeli author, speaker, politician and former Knesset member Dr. Einat Wilf has coined the phrase “Palestinianism”: The idea that the “Palestinians” don’t want their own state as much as they reject the idea of a Jewish-majority State behind ANY borders.
This utter bullshit promulgated by fanatical supporters of Israel. Arab resistance to the establishment of jewish state in their midst, from within and without the territory of Palestine existed well before the modern state of Israel was established, and the Arab Muslim majority of the territory had every right to want to have the final say over what happened with their homeland after WWI.
You’re the one that’s full of BS. Jews are the indigenous people of the land. Our history via archeology, DNA and writings, go back 3,500 years. The Romans named it Syria Palestinia after the Destruction of the Second Temple to erase our connection to the land. Ever hear of Arch of Titus, The Dead Sea Srcolls? But thanks for displaying what an ignorant and hateful twat you are.
But the "Palestinians" don't want their own land for any purpose other than murdering Jews. Until that changes - and, at best, it would take generations of de-radicalization after removing Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and so on - there is no "best chance" because they don't want it.
I like the concept, but I don’t think Jordan wants the “Palestinians” back anymore than Egypt does, because their ideology is crazy and would be dangerous to the current regimes. Both prefer talk instead of action.
It is an appealing idea, and certainly worth discussing with reasonable Palestinians (they do exist, really) and the Kingdom of Jordan. The question remains, however: how stable would such a confederation be? In my view, present-day Jordan is a rather fragile, moderately authoritarian construct with a sluggish economy—hardly the ideal environment for persuading radicalized individuals to embrace the rule of law. Doesn't the Jordanian state apparatus already have its hands full just keeping the Palestinian segment of the population quiet? While "offloading" the Palestinian issue might be part of the solution, I do not believe a deradicalization program can succeed without Israeli involvement.
They can't think any differently. Poison does as poison is. Their minds are polluted. Only a new generation educated from scratch can grow in healthy understanding. And that, which at some point Saudi Arabia had hinted it could do, is not going to happen.
The world has coddled them and funded their terrorism. The Muslim nations also encourage them, stand by them, always expecting the dream of wiping out Israel to magically materialise. Thus they kept them in misery, aided by the UN to the tune of 7 times what all the world's refugees got.
And yet, when Jordan and Egypt occupied the " Palestinian" territories, since 1948 ,those territories weren't " Palestinian" anymore. Just like Jordan, all of it formerly " Palestine " ,no longer existed as " Palestine " anymore, even as the vast majority of its people are " Palestinians".
Arabs never accept they lost. Their mental capacities don't allow it. Reason is not a top priority. Emotion is. If they could accept they lost - and to Israel and the Jews!- , there would be peace.
The fraudulent "Palestinians" live with the narcissistic delusion that they will be the ones to return Jerusalem to the Muslim Umma, and bring about Israel's destruction. They dream of this hero role. By whatever means necessary.
It is a great and healing plan. Others have pointed out the issue that Jordan does not want to touch the so-called Palestinians any more than Egypt because they are now several generations into radical violent Muslim mental illness. My final point is that your plan is rational and sensible in all socioeconomic ways, but at bottom, the Palestinian ideal is the ethnic cleansing of all non believers and the sole occupation of Israel. That means the conversion or murder of Jews Christians and any other non Moslem person who does not meet standards. Sounds totally crazy, doesn’t it? Religious war is crazy. Goodbye win-win scenario.
Other than the fact that Jordan doesn't want the Palestinians as they tried to overrun Jordanian government in the past. And somehow, I don't think Israel would have any faith in international "Guarantees" of peace. I wouldn't
After the slaughter of Oct. 7 and all the misery and expense that has followed lets give them a similar offer to 20 or 30 years ago. They could cut the country by 50%, give away millennia of Jewish history and continue to have to maintain enormous defense budgets and conscription/reserve duty and bring another Islamic state within grenade throwing distance of more Israeli homes and families. What a deal! I hope the Israelis aren’t stupid enough to fall for this type of nonsense yet again.
Not every people deserves a state of their own. Pals had numerous opportunities, but greed and fanaticism blocked them from saying yes. You snooze, you lose. Give them nothing. Political limbo is good enough.
Mostly other countries in Israel’s position would have religiously (not ethically) cleansed or genocided these people decades ago. The Palestinians are the most coddled and self-inflicted suffering people in history.
Professional victims, eternal "refugees" and worshippers of terror and death. They don't deserve our support, money or empathy. They don't even like us. Nor do their shills in the West.
This is wishful thinking. The vast majority of the "Palestinians" have been indoctrinated into the Jihadi/martyrdom cult. Until that gets washed out of the populations in Judea/Samaria and Gaza, there will not be sufficient appetite for any sort of accords.
The author writes: "The Palestinians cannot rely on the fickle sympathy of their Western admirers to last forever. The war in Gaza is over, and other conflicts will inevitably grab the world’s attention, just as Gaza itself stole the spotlight from the war in Ukraine." No, as long as the Islamists continue funding the Palestinian hoax, they will never turn attention away from Israel. Also, they won't because, well, as they say, "no Jews, no news."
The Palestinians lost but Hamas remains, unbowed, even by the number of deaths in their murderous leadership. Hamas is winning the PR war, but that may always be the case. We found out - sadly, tragically , that Jews will always be hated no matter what. So Israel has to continue to win on the battlefield, despite the world wishing for their demise. In the end if we can't be liked we can be feared and stop letting the UN and Arab led commissions dictate Israel's battlefield. The endless ceasefires (which Israel always respected) just meant that Hamas had more time to stock their tunnels. The world loves a winner and if they can't stop hating us, they can fear us.
The Palestinians do not want a land. They just don't want Jews to have a land. It's that simple. The rest is commentary.
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Louder for the fraudster Peter Beinart, opponent of Zionism only in Israel, who never complains about the self determination, Zionism in a nutshell in the Islamic world. Never existed before, all were made up after WWI: Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, their right to self-determination is never questioned.
Yes, that is so true. At least true of the current so called "leaders." Exactly why they have rejected each and every offer of peace and statehood.
They want the land, and they don't want jews to have any land. But it is not really about the land on either side.
There is no ‘Palestine’ and there are no ‘Palestinians’. They are Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, Syria and other surrounding countries who came to Ottoman controlled Palestine when the returning Jews started to cultivate the land make it a success. ‘Palestinianism’ is an ideology that was created by the KGB and Arafat in 1964. Stop treating a fake people as if they are legitimate!
The second state of any two state solution already exists .. it’s called Jordan. The Arabs in gaza and Judea / Samaria can join their brethren in Jordan.
It is as it is now, fake people or not. It will not metamorphose into something else because we have the more legitimate facts.
Wrong. We have to change the narrative. They have spent decades trying to steal and erase our history. We need to stop playing their game.
I agree with you. However, in order to do that we must face the reality that lies, disinformation, biassed media and social media are proving to be useful idiots. We need to find a way of challenging that. And when people are not at all interested in facts and fairness, that's a bit of a problem.
Israeli author, speaker, politician and former Knesset member Dr. Einat Wilf has coined the phrase “Palestinianism”: The idea that the “Palestinians” don’t want their own state as much as they reject the idea of a Jewish-majority State behind ANY borders.
Palestinianism is actually extremely older than the KGB or Arafat. Hearken back to the Philistines of old. This is who they are.
There is no connection between the ancient Philistines and the faux Palestinians who are Arabs from Egypt, Syria, Jordan etc.
This utter bullshit promulgated by fanatical supporters of Israel. Arab resistance to the establishment of jewish state in their midst, from within and without the territory of Palestine existed well before the modern state of Israel was established, and the Arab Muslim majority of the territory had every right to want to have the final say over what happened with their homeland after WWI.
You’re the one that’s full of BS. Jews are the indigenous people of the land. Our history via archeology, DNA and writings, go back 3,500 years. The Romans named it Syria Palestinia after the Destruction of the Second Temple to erase our connection to the land. Ever hear of Arch of Titus, The Dead Sea Srcolls? But thanks for displaying what an ignorant and hateful twat you are.
But the "Palestinians" don't want their own land for any purpose other than murdering Jews. Until that changes - and, at best, it would take generations of de-radicalization after removing Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and so on - there is no "best chance" because they don't want it.
This is fanatical nonsense.
Also, you can not make peace with anyone whose avowed goal, both in writing and action, is to annihilate you
I like the concept, but I don’t think Jordan wants the “Palestinians” back anymore than Egypt does, because their ideology is crazy and would be dangerous to the current regimes. Both prefer talk instead of action.
It is an appealing idea, and certainly worth discussing with reasonable Palestinians (they do exist, really) and the Kingdom of Jordan. The question remains, however: how stable would such a confederation be? In my view, present-day Jordan is a rather fragile, moderately authoritarian construct with a sluggish economy—hardly the ideal environment for persuading radicalized individuals to embrace the rule of law. Doesn't the Jordanian state apparatus already have its hands full just keeping the Palestinian segment of the population quiet? While "offloading" the Palestinian issue might be part of the solution, I do not believe a deradicalization program can succeed without Israeli involvement.
They can't think any differently. Poison does as poison is. Their minds are polluted. Only a new generation educated from scratch can grow in healthy understanding. And that, which at some point Saudi Arabia had hinted it could do, is not going to happen.
The world has coddled them and funded their terrorism. The Muslim nations also encourage them, stand by them, always expecting the dream of wiping out Israel to magically materialise. Thus they kept them in misery, aided by the UN to the tune of 7 times what all the world's refugees got.
And yet, when Jordan and Egypt occupied the " Palestinian" territories, since 1948 ,those territories weren't " Palestinian" anymore. Just like Jordan, all of it formerly " Palestine " ,no longer existed as " Palestine " anymore, even as the vast majority of its people are " Palestinians".
Arabs never accept they lost. Their mental capacities don't allow it. Reason is not a top priority. Emotion is. If they could accept they lost - and to Israel and the Jews!- , there would be peace.
The fraudulent "Palestinians" live with the narcissistic delusion that they will be the ones to return Jerusalem to the Muslim Umma, and bring about Israel's destruction. They dream of this hero role. By whatever means necessary.
The "palestinians" never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, said somebody smarter than I.
It is a great and healing plan. Others have pointed out the issue that Jordan does not want to touch the so-called Palestinians any more than Egypt because they are now several generations into radical violent Muslim mental illness. My final point is that your plan is rational and sensible in all socioeconomic ways, but at bottom, the Palestinian ideal is the ethnic cleansing of all non believers and the sole occupation of Israel. That means the conversion or murder of Jews Christians and any other non Moslem person who does not meet standards. Sounds totally crazy, doesn’t it? Religious war is crazy. Goodbye win-win scenario.
Other than the fact that Jordan doesn't want the Palestinians as they tried to overrun Jordanian government in the past. And somehow, I don't think Israel would have any faith in international "Guarantees" of peace. I wouldn't
After the slaughter of Oct. 7 and all the misery and expense that has followed lets give them a similar offer to 20 or 30 years ago. They could cut the country by 50%, give away millennia of Jewish history and continue to have to maintain enormous defense budgets and conscription/reserve duty and bring another Islamic state within grenade throwing distance of more Israeli homes and families. What a deal! I hope the Israelis aren’t stupid enough to fall for this type of nonsense yet again.
Not every people deserves a state of their own. Pals had numerous opportunities, but greed and fanaticism blocked them from saying yes. You snooze, you lose. Give them nothing. Political limbo is good enough.
Mostly other countries in Israel’s position would have religiously (not ethically) cleansed or genocided these people decades ago. The Palestinians are the most coddled and self-inflicted suffering people in history.
Professional victims, eternal "refugees" and worshippers of terror and death. They don't deserve our support, money or empathy. They don't even like us. Nor do their shills in the West.
This is wishful thinking. The vast majority of the "Palestinians" have been indoctrinated into the Jihadi/martyrdom cult. Until that gets washed out of the populations in Judea/Samaria and Gaza, there will not be sufficient appetite for any sort of accords.
The author writes: "The Palestinians cannot rely on the fickle sympathy of their Western admirers to last forever. The war in Gaza is over, and other conflicts will inevitably grab the world’s attention, just as Gaza itself stole the spotlight from the war in Ukraine." No, as long as the Islamists continue funding the Palestinian hoax, they will never turn attention away from Israel. Also, they won't because, well, as they say, "no Jews, no news."
No more land trades for terrorism. Judea and Samaria is not a muslim backwater terrorist encampment. They can GFT.
The Palestinians lost but Hamas remains, unbowed, even by the number of deaths in their murderous leadership. Hamas is winning the PR war, but that may always be the case. We found out - sadly, tragically , that Jews will always be hated no matter what. So Israel has to continue to win on the battlefield, despite the world wishing for their demise. In the end if we can't be liked we can be feared and stop letting the UN and Arab led commissions dictate Israel's battlefield. The endless ceasefires (which Israel always respected) just meant that Hamas had more time to stock their tunnels. The world loves a winner and if they can't stop hating us, they can fear us.
Considering the lack of Arab rational actors this fantasy will never happen.
Nice try though.