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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

B’Tselem always reminds me of this quote from Aharon Megged:

"We have witnesed a phenomenon which probably has no parallel in history: An emotional and moral identification by the majority of Israel's inteligentsia, and its print and electronic media, with people committed to our annihilation."

If B’Tselem got its way and Israel was dissolved and overrun with jihadists, whose side would they be on? Would any of their leaders or members, not to mention their fellow travelers at Haaretz, have any regrets? Even when the jihadists inevitably turn on them and their families?

Israel's survival may depend upon expelling every UN-affiliated NGO, every org funded by European govts that are opposed to its existence, and every supposed "human rights" group that's spent decades reporting on one single country's violations while turning a blind eye to any deed committed elsewhere, no matter how vile.

Leftist self-hatred and moral narcissism is a luxury good for Western Leftists, who live safe and secure far from any possible violence, but in Israel it's a death wish, not just for yourself but for your entire nation. Did these people learn nothing from what happened to the peaceniks at Be'eri? All brutally massacred, no matter how much they devoted their lives to helping Palestinians.

If B’Tselem cares so deeply for the people who live in Gaza and the WB, they should move there.

Jacob's avatar

So true - the conquerors demand conversion and the architecture tells the story of erasure of any deviation from their ideology. Believe me though, some who lived in the area held the spirit of the Israelites in their heart just as the song goes - by the rivers of Babylon where we wept when we remembered Zion.

ASP's avatar

Who knows any of this? Are the major Jewish organizations, with their hefty budgets, sending out alarms? Are the community Jewish newspapers spreading this across their headlines? Do the synagogues and Jewish organizations write about it in their newsletters? Do our children learn about these places in their Hebrew and Sunday schools? We are in danger of being obliterated in a myriad of ways and, shamefully, we often don't even know it.

James Wills's avatar

And tell me - how many divisions has the U.N.?

Michael Eriksson's avatar

What was Jerusalem called before it was Jerusalem? Who's sacred places were built over and destroyed by the Jews in the first millennia BCE? You make it sound like nothing was there before Jewish communities but this is simply not true.

Dan's avatar

Oh come come, Mr Eriksson! Your support of the rights of Middle Eastern Pagan shrines ‘before Judaism’ is disingenuous. Do you campaign for The Native American with the same vigour your motives bring to Canaanite Religion. The Jews by the way are not genetically different to these early Canaanite Pagans, studies show.

blackdog1955's avatar

Do not argue with his guy. He's an antisemitic troll. Ignore him and he might get a life.

Michael Eriksson's avatar

Your behaviour here marks you out as the troll.

blackdog1955's avatar

You have 14 restacks on your substack page that are 1 day or newer. All are anti Jewish. Do you do anything else?

Dan's avatar

I am digging out his Nordic Disingenuousness for the record.

Michael Eriksson's avatar

Two bad responses don't make a good response I'm afraid.

SOME Jews have genetic lineage to the Canaanites but then so do some Arabs. When Zionists were ethnically cleansing Palestine of Arabs did the Zionist terrorist militias distinguish Palestinian Arabs on this basis? Did they do blood tests before bombing their homes in the middle of the night? Does Israel today make any such distinction? Have right-of-return permits been granted to Palestinian Arabs who test positive for having Canaanite DNA? Have any 'Jews' been told they cannot make Aliyah on the basis that they converted to Judaism and therefore do not have the necessary ancestry or DNA? What does Israel's law on right of return say about converts? (I already know which is why I'm asking you.) So let's not pretend this has anything to do with genetic lineage or ancestry whatsoever because it doesn't.

How many human rights issues I have time to campaign on does not inherently negate the importance of others. I have spent at least a hundred times more hours on the Free Tibet Campaign during my lifetime than I have on Free Palestine. Does that mean I care more about Tibetans than Palestinians? Does my lack of campaigning for any other groups mean I don't care at all about them? Of course not. My mother campaigns for breast cancer. Does that means she doesn't care about any other forms of cancer? See how utterly ridiculous this supposed argument is? It's merely a rhetorical point. It's not a serious argument. It's an attempt to ad hominem a person into silence on an issue they feel strongly about and it won't work on me I'm afraid.

Dan's avatar
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I certainly do not want to silence you. So I reply: Have the Israeli Arabs been displaced in ‘Ethnic Cleansing’? No, they get the same voting rights, housing rights and Healthcare rights as Israeli Jews. Are American and Western Christians prevented from becoming Israeli citizens? No. Israel is targeted specifically for terrorism by Arabs in Gaza and Judea and Samaria whose Organisations fund Pay-for-kill against Jews, and whose charter calls for the ‘Annihilation of The Jews’ in the same way Hitler did. Do you expect Leniency with Islamist Terrorism? Send my regards to your Mother, by the way, for her steadfast campaign for the Brest Cancer Charities.

Michael Eriksson's avatar

A small number of Arabs were allowed to stay on the basis they were deemed not to be 'trouble-makers' by the Zionist terrorist militias. Ben-Gurion said it would be important to have an Arab contingent to avoid the charge of being an ethno-state. He said to keep them at 20% of the overall population. Guess what percentage they are today? There are criticisms made by Arabs who have left Israel but for obvious reasons not many who live there. One criticism made, even by some Israeli Jews, is the disparity in funding of Arabs vs Israeli state schools. There is also a significant difference in the treatment of Jewish and Arab prisoners Israel and in the justice system. But this is you just changing the subject.

You haven't actually responded to either of my rebuttals to your original criticisms or answered the questions I asked you either. Come on Dan. You need to do better.

PS. If you're going to use labels such as Judea then I'm going to refer to the region as Canaan. Then at least we're both using antiquated geography not recognised by international law.

Dan's avatar

The Arab List MKs in the Knesset do plenty of complaining and are not silenced at all in the way you claim. I dispute your claims Ben Gurion spoke the words you have said. Israeli Arabs at 20% of the Israel population: now this is stable we are not going to be taken over by the uncontrolled Demographics of Islamist Hamas. I ask you too, if Islam was threatening to become the MAJORITY in Norway or Sweden, would you be comfortable and allow this? My guess is you would NOT! Or are you going to be disingenuous about this Demographic too.

Michael Eriksson's avatar

Having one or two token Arabs in the Knesset is useful for the very reason you bring them up. That's why they're there! You make my point for me. lol

Ben-Gurion did want the population of Arabs at 20% and that's where it's stayed ever since. Odd that. Or not. You demonstrate my point again by then conflating Arab with Hamas - bravo!

I'll answer you on Sweden when you answer the questions I put to you in my first reply. Being a philosopher I know about filibustering and how fond Zionists are of using it. (Although your question is framed as a false dichotomy.)