They do not foster peace, do not promote justice, and do not advance the causes of human rights and liberation. Instead, they hinder constructive dialogue and resolution, harming all parties involved.
The Western media has been against war as a means of foreign policy since the Vietnam War and no European country that collaborated actively in the Holocaust has the right to lecture Israel about how to fight a war
“ The Western media has been against war as a means of foreign policy since the Vietnam War”
This might have been true pre-Trump.
But the U.S. MSM is all for the Ukraine war.
Though I suppose if your point were they are for it as a mean of helping the Democrats to win elections, as opposed to as a means of foreign policy, you might be correct.
Anyone with a good brain, and kind heart knows these are all lies. The media promotes the lies, with ver few exceptions, because it make good press. The truth will eventually be accepted when Israel gets rid of the leaders if the Iranian bullies. It is time for the people of Iran, Lebanon, Gaza to realize they have been oppressed by the tyrants and terrrorists who have destroyed their lives. By the way, the $3200 handbag used by Sinwar's wife is a perfect example the oppression against his own people. In closing, media outlets must start speaking the truth, or be forced to stop printing, or speaking the lies.
i attempted this comment but I am not sure it posted. (I am a techno-dinosaur & frequently touch the wrong button. So, bear with me if I am being redundant. This is a wonderful piece, but the problem is this is preaching to the choir. The question is how to get this out into the greater media. The other issue is that in many other sites, etc. the moment someone sees "Future of Jewish" that's it, shut down, move one. Anyone got any good ideas about how to spread the word? I'm all ears!
Great article!....It's very damaging and infuriating to listening to all these lies about our beloved eternal Israel.....but we know so well about the Doble standards towards Israel!,,....I would like to copy a quote by Winston Churchill The Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is .....
Nicaragua's Human Rights record under Daniel Ortega's FMLN is poor. Autocracies Launder their own records by attacking Israel. Amnesty International' Reports state: 'Nicaragua: A continuum of repression and systematic human rights violations under the Ortega-Murillo government.... 18 April 2018: Brutal repression was the tool that President Daniel Ortega decided to use to control this social discontent, leaving more than 300 people dead, more than 2,000 injured and hundreds arbitrarily detained'.
The problem with all this is that it is preaching to the choir that already knows this. The real issue is how to get this information and truths about this to the rest of the world. That means that rather than just reading this here, we need to be resharing it on every platform and site possible. Just remember, that as soon as many see "Future of Jewish" you have already lost them, they will go no farther. Anybody got a better way to get this out?
Answer is gettin' on shows--Rogan? Taibbi? add an amp to the band... it helps (I think!)
IMHO changin' the name is like a Cohen becomin' a Carter. We "tried that" --it didn't help! See where we are now... with all that AI they kin tell our DNA remotely anyway... (that goes fer the anti-zionists too--nuttin' they say will save their skins when the tech is SO much further than IBM wuz in 1940...) Now findin' a ketchy name is an'nuther thing-- "The Ever-lovin' Eye-Openin' Wild & Truthful Future of Jewish"... but then I'mma crackpot so take wittha grain of salt an' a little seltzer ha ha
We are all dealing with "ears that cannot hear" and "eyes that do not see" .... Perhaps European suffering is necessary to cleanse their palate ... since education is not a considerating, than experiencing might help.
Please do not misunderstand, I do indeed agree with the thrust of your argument.
But the title of your piece is fundamentally incorrect. it is simply not true that lies about Israel help no one.
First, they help Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and anyone else who seeks the destruction of Israel.
Second, they help the leaders of Arab countries with disaffected populations, by better enabling those leaders to distract from internal problems by focusing on an external “issue”.
Third, they help left-of-center politicians make headlines and score points with their political bases.
Fourth, they help (disproportionately young) hard-core leftists steeped in oppressor-oppressed ideology to feel virtuous about their choices, their ideology and themselves.
Fifth, they help ordinary “liberals”/“progressives” to feel better about not denouncing the immoral/evil hard-core leftists within their political coalitions.
Sixth, they enable the mainstream media to continue their current business model of appealing to those left of center, and perhaps more importantly help the MSM even more in their quest to do everything they can to enable the left to win elections.
No doubt I’ve left out other groups such lies help, but hopefully you get the point.
So while I agree with you 100% that lies about Israel do not help make the world a better or safer place, it is simply false to say that lies about Israel help “no one”.
Sadly, such lies help all too many people.
Which goes a long way towards explaining why they persist.
(okay, they don't help us "chews".. an' there are after effects that don't bode well for everyone else but that's in the bigger pic'chur nobuddy stands bad to see... like those that don't wanna live under sharia law but are too dumb ta see the writin' on the wall!)
How do we define a theocratic authoritarian militia like we see in iran? Islamofacism? Theocratic serfdom? Where you kill off any opposition with no trial? Take power and control the people through dogmatic violence and fear?
The Islamic Republic regime of Iran is not either republican or Iranian. They are a Shia mafia group that occupied Iran and abused Iran's natural and human resources towards their dogmatic ideology, which is not practical even in the middle east. They have brutally suppressed all sorts of political and religious groups since they came to power in February 1979.
They started the first days with consecutive executions without a fair trial, including the former prime minister Amir Abbas Hoveyda in 1979. They rejected the peace offered by the Iraqi government in 1982, two years after starting the war. They dragged the fight on for eight years, costing half a million Iranian lives and about the same number of wounded/ amputated/disabled veterans while suppressing all other political groups inside Iran. After they finally signed the peace treaty in 1988, they mass murdered about 8000 political prisoners.
The regime of Iran still have the monopoly of violence and the goons who they employ represent 5% of the population. They use ruthless force to supplant the wants of the Persian people.
How exactly does one come to the conclusion that the creation of a Jewish state out of whole cloth with a 2000 year interregnum between it and the last state is entirely reasonable, but people who’s grandparents lived in a place need to get over it? Ultimately, there’s no “right” or “wrong” to it, only realpolitik. Israel exists and the free world benefits from its existence, much like the United States, but no serious person tries to ascribe right and wrong to Manifest Destiny and the Trail of Tears.
Many of those people fled their homes because the Arabs told them they would destroy the Jews and then they could return. They didn’t destroy the Jews, they lost the war badly, and there are consequences for losing genocidal wars. Had the Palestinians agreed to the two-state solution in 1947 that the UN tried to broker, instead of refusing to negotiate outright, we wouldn’t have been here.
Going by that logic, the multiple failed Jewish revolts (that were accompanied by slaughter of non-Jewish residents of the region) disqualifies their decedents from claiming that land thousands of years later. Let’s get serious, neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis cares what the other thinks about their claim. The only salient factor is, who has the strength to enforce their will? Let me ask you a question, supposing Israel lost the war in 1947, would that be the end of the question?
Well, that’s telling. So, in short, infinite do-overs and connection to the land for Jews and hard cheese for everyone else? You should apply your own rule on hypotheticals to the hypothetical that the Palestinians are ever going to give up their land claim. Then glance at the demographic trends.
The comments are a tempest in a teapot. The only thing that counts in the Middle East and indeed in the world is power- many times but not always reflected in military victories. And the victors are the ones who always write the histories.
This is bs. Neither the jews nor the Palestinians had any legal right to the territory of Palestine. It was the UN which created the modern state of Israel. The UN also created a Palestinian state, which the Palestinians rejected.
Oversimplification of history. The Jews have always maintained a presence one the region since the fall of the Second Temple. The early Zionists started returning to the Land of Israel in the 1800s, decades before the UN was created.
And arabs have lived in the same land for many centuries. What of it? Neither the jews nor the arabs had a right to own the territory of Palestine, which had been under the control of outside parties since the ancient Kingdom of Israel. Ancient history confers no legal rights in the present. As to moral rights, both jews and Arabs have a moral right to have control of their own states within that territory, and the UN partition recognized this. The fact that the arabs rejected this solution and the Israelis have tried to capitalize on arab opposition to expand their control over the territory does not change this.
Israel has tried for decades to give land-for-peace (two-states) and the Arabs always reject and take the all-or-nothing stance, which they still insist on. The majority of the people in Gaza still support Hamas and the goals of taking over all of Israel.
I understand that. The Palestinians still have a right to the land specified for them under the UN partition whenever they should change their minds and decide to make peace with Israel. Until then, Israel has every right to defend itself. But any Israeli military occupation of Palestinian territory that may be necessary should not turn into annexation.
The Palestinians have no rights whatsoever. Certainly not to the original partition which was rejected in 1948 and rejected along with every other offer of compromise to this day.
If the Arabs attack Israel, but instead of losing, they won and kicked out all of the Jews, I am certain the world, and especially the UN would not say that even though they lost the war, the Jews are still entitled to the land from the original partition. There are consequences for trying to demolish another country and then kill all the residents. Even the UN has not stated that Israel return to the boundaries of the original partition. Oh, and great article Joshua.
The UN is powerless to enforce anything, so it does have to deal with the realities of the facts on the ground, but this doesn't mean that the jews still shouldn't follow the rules, regardless of what might have happened or what the UN can and cannot do. Countries are not supposed to annex territories anymore, even when they were not the aggressors in a conflict. And the Un specifically says this. So, they have in effected asserted that the original borders should apply.
Any Jews - hell, any human beings - that follow the UN’s overtly antisemitic biased rules merely because they are UN rules, are certifiably insane, or rabidly pro-Islam and pro-leftists.
Wrong. The UN agreed to a partition of the mandate of Palestine which was immediately rejected by the Arabs and therefore never implemented. The British left Israel declared itself a state. The US and the USSR immediately recognized it and 5 Arab armies invaded but were forced into a cease fire short of their goal of annihilation. Israel created itself and gained recognition. Israel was NOT created by the UN.
I know the history. The partition was carried out. Israel agreed to it and established itself in 1948 according to the agreed-upon borders. Israel had no right to declare itself a state other than under the UN partition arrangement. The only reason the jews drove the British out is because the British were dragging their feet. The UN arrangement was a fait accompli. The fact that the arabs rejected the partition at the time does not mean that accepting it later on is unavailable to the Palestinian arabs, but only at such time as they will recognize Israel and make peace. Israel has no right to any territory outside the borders established under the partition. Military occupation must not become annexation.
No, it does not. The world is not supposed to work on the principle that might makes right anymore. That still happens sometimes, but that doesn't make it right. The UN created the state of Israel and the UN still has a say over what happens to the state of Palestine. Sure, the UN has no power of enforcement, unless it can get enough member states to agree to enforce its plan, which is very hard to do. But the partition plan still applies in principle.
“ The world is not supposed to work on the principle that might makes right anymore.”
The UN did not create Israel.
And even if it did, you should listen to and understand the principle behind your claim that might does not make right (“ That still happens sometimes, but that doesn't make it right.”) and realize that the unprincipled UN should not be listened to in the slightest, at least on the subject of Israel.
But I will respond to your naive illogic no further.
More accurate to say the British created it after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. There were some Jews living there at the time. Working on eradicating malaria and other things.
Yes, but that was because the British were given a mandate to control the territory by the League of Nations, the predecessor to the UN. The Mandate was not intended to exist in perpetuity.
Nearly all the countries in the Middle East were “created” after WWI and the destruction of the Ottoman Empire. Lebanon, Syria, Trans-Jordan, Palestine, and Iraq were all created by the victorious nations during the peace talks at the end of the war.
Even if the creation of Israel was invalid in 1947, once it was attacked by all of its neighbors — and Israel defeated them all — Israel legitimately held title to all of the land it conquered at the end of the war by right of conquest. All previous boundaries were nullified by Israel’s victory. The same holds true for the Sinai after Israel defeated Egypt. It was Israel who volunteered to give it back to Egypt in return for a peace treaty that recognized Israel’s right to exist, but they legally didn’t have to give it up.
The single factor that is driving all efforts to remove Israel from the map is the Islamic religion practiced by all Israel’s neighbors and throughout the Middle East and North Africa. When one evaluates the text of the Koran and the Sunnah one finds they are more antisemitic than Mein Kampf (source: Center for the Study of Political Islam International, CSPII).
That is true, but all those other countries were at least overwhelmingly Arab and Muslim and the establishment of those countries didn't really change the facts on the ground and force people to relocate, as the partition of Palestine did. In any case, most countries were established in ways that now seem objectionable to modern sensibilities.
Ah, the Trotskyite ADL war pigs are butthurt again! Time to wax pathetic about the poor defenseless and innocent jews. They only want to get along with all of the superior White Christian people, to donate 30% of their income to us every year, and to fight all our wars for us, what's wrong with that? And besides, that whole goy thing was just a bad henny youngman joke, nobody takes it seriously!
Total bullshit, every time, always the same schpeal. Y'all are not that smart.
Do you want fewer criticisms? Give up the "chosen ones" schtick and be better human beings.
And remember the Liberty. The likes of LBJ will not be elected again for 100s of years!
Isreal, when one knows both who and what he is, will understand why Antisemitism must continue and increase. National Israel must be brought to the place of repentance before, as the disobedient firstborn son of God, he is delivered, brought back to life and placed in the position God created him for. The “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” yet ahead but soon will bring that repentance. There is another Holocaust ahead for Israel. 2/3 of world Jewery will die or be sold into slavery. Then repentance will we forthcoming. And Messiah can return and receive His restored brethren.
1. ya 100% nailed it listin' all the lies that are not only "not helpful" but durnright dangerous--an' as ya state troothfully--just as dangerous ta Palestinians (in the long run) as to us joos, here an' in Oh Israel...
2. but THIS:
"International actors — including the media, academics, humanitarian organizations, and policymakers — have a responsibility to promote accurate and balanced information. "
Wull they ain't takin' such a "responsibility" nor would they when they're bein' paid by whom--Quatar? ta keep up with the soda stream o' lies-on-tap... ALL good folks (yerself included) that tell it like it is--are not gettin' the electric amplifier so they're playin' to a quiet hall, no mic...
If "mossad" an' us "joos" really owned the press how come the loudest voices are the liars unless...it's some kinda self-destructive death wish thing which is concept I don't wanna entertain...
TROOTH is liars are gonna lie--none with a good conscience gonna change their tune. Gotta find new pipers to pipe LOUDER or at least loud enuf ta be heard... git interviewed, etc. MORE not less seems ta be the ticket...
What about a series via Prager U? (they ARE conservative but imho their heart's in the right place an' some of us FORMER lefties will embrace sanity wherever we find it!)
PS
I have a suggestion fer a new writer ta include in yer "stable" of fine journalists--Karen Hunt Mezek -- she's not chewish so this is more perspective from a different angle; she's a brave lady an' speaks loud an' often 'bout supportin' Israel an' us everyday joos... she also finds non-jooish voices in support of Israel too... velly talented an' smart an' wise--DO check out her stack! :
With regard to Macron, he is French, and anti semitism comes with his territory. The French could not compete with anyone militarily let alone Israel who has proven time after time after time that as a fighting force, they excel. ... Of course noone expects them to -- given their history (and he is aware of that). I have no doubt that Europe will erupt (after that "last" straw) and once again another bad decision will lead to further pain, hardship, etc. Possibly Putin may feel he will benefit (as if Gee would let him) ... it is a sorry stew... one would think that European soil cannot absorb more blood, but people just refuse to learn from history ... where is Charlemagne now that we need him!
The Western media has been against war as a means of foreign policy since the Vietnam War and no European country that collaborated actively in the Holocaust has the right to lecture Israel about how to fight a war
“ The Western media has been against war as a means of foreign policy since the Vietnam War”
This might have been true pre-Trump.
But the U.S. MSM is all for the Ukraine war.
Though I suppose if your point were they are for it as a mean of helping the Democrats to win elections, as opposed to as a means of foreign policy, you might be correct.
Anyone with a good brain, and kind heart knows these are all lies. The media promotes the lies, with ver few exceptions, because it make good press. The truth will eventually be accepted when Israel gets rid of the leaders if the Iranian bullies. It is time for the people of Iran, Lebanon, Gaza to realize they have been oppressed by the tyrants and terrrorists who have destroyed their lives. By the way, the $3200 handbag used by Sinwar's wife is a perfect example the oppression against his own people. In closing, media outlets must start speaking the truth, or be forced to stop printing, or speaking the lies.
“In closing, media outlets must start speaking the truth, or be forced to stop printing, or speaking the lies.”
Well I surely do NOT agree with this last bit. The cure of letting government decide what is lies or not is even worse than the disease…
i attempted this comment but I am not sure it posted. (I am a techno-dinosaur & frequently touch the wrong button. So, bear with me if I am being redundant. This is a wonderful piece, but the problem is this is preaching to the choir. The question is how to get this out into the greater media. The other issue is that in many other sites, etc. the moment someone sees "Future of Jewish" that's it, shut down, move one. Anyone got any good ideas about how to spread the word? I'm all ears!
Great article!....It's very damaging and infuriating to listening to all these lies about our beloved eternal Israel.....but we know so well about the Doble standards towards Israel!,,....I would like to copy a quote by Winston Churchill The Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is .....
Yes, glaringly so, and in conflict with your messaging.
Nicaragua's Human Rights record under Daniel Ortega's FMLN is poor. Autocracies Launder their own records by attacking Israel. Amnesty International' Reports state: 'Nicaragua: A continuum of repression and systematic human rights violations under the Ortega-Murillo government.... 18 April 2018: Brutal repression was the tool that President Daniel Ortega decided to use to control this social discontent, leaving more than 300 people dead, more than 2,000 injured and hundreds arbitrarily detained'.
The problem with all this is that it is preaching to the choir that already knows this. The real issue is how to get this information and truths about this to the rest of the world. That means that rather than just reading this here, we need to be resharing it on every platform and site possible. Just remember, that as soon as many see "Future of Jewish" you have already lost them, they will go no farther. Anybody got a better way to get this out?
Answer is gettin' on shows--Rogan? Taibbi? add an amp to the band... it helps (I think!)
IMHO changin' the name is like a Cohen becomin' a Carter. We "tried that" --it didn't help! See where we are now... with all that AI they kin tell our DNA remotely anyway... (that goes fer the anti-zionists too--nuttin' they say will save their skins when the tech is SO much further than IBM wuz in 1940...) Now findin' a ketchy name is an'nuther thing-- "The Ever-lovin' Eye-Openin' Wild & Truthful Future of Jewish"... but then I'mma crackpot so take wittha grain of salt an' a little seltzer ha ha
We are all dealing with "ears that cannot hear" and "eyes that do not see" .... Perhaps European suffering is necessary to cleanse their palate ... since education is not a considerating, than experiencing might help.
Good one.
Thank you.
Please do not misunderstand, I do indeed agree with the thrust of your argument.
But the title of your piece is fundamentally incorrect. it is simply not true that lies about Israel help no one.
First, they help Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and anyone else who seeks the destruction of Israel.
Second, they help the leaders of Arab countries with disaffected populations, by better enabling those leaders to distract from internal problems by focusing on an external “issue”.
Third, they help left-of-center politicians make headlines and score points with their political bases.
Fourth, they help (disproportionately young) hard-core leftists steeped in oppressor-oppressed ideology to feel virtuous about their choices, their ideology and themselves.
Fifth, they help ordinary “liberals”/“progressives” to feel better about not denouncing the immoral/evil hard-core leftists within their political coalitions.
Sixth, they enable the mainstream media to continue their current business model of appealing to those left of center, and perhaps more importantly help the MSM even more in their quest to do everything they can to enable the left to win elections.
No doubt I’ve left out other groups such lies help, but hopefully you get the point.
So while I agree with you 100% that lies about Israel do not help make the world a better or safer place, it is simply false to say that lies about Israel help “no one”.
Sadly, such lies help all too many people.
Which goes a long way towards explaining why they persist.
gotta admit yer right--good pernts made!
(okay, they don't help us "chews".. an' there are after effects that don't bode well for everyone else but that's in the bigger pic'chur nobuddy stands bad to see... like those that don't wanna live under sharia law but are too dumb ta see the writin' on the wall!)
How do we define a theocratic authoritarian militia like we see in iran? Islamofacism? Theocratic serfdom? Where you kill off any opposition with no trial? Take power and control the people through dogmatic violence and fear?
The Islamic Republic regime of Iran is not either republican or Iranian. They are a Shia mafia group that occupied Iran and abused Iran's natural and human resources towards their dogmatic ideology, which is not practical even in the middle east. They have brutally suppressed all sorts of political and religious groups since they came to power in February 1979.
They started the first days with consecutive executions without a fair trial, including the former prime minister Amir Abbas Hoveyda in 1979. They rejected the peace offered by the Iraqi government in 1982, two years after starting the war. They dragged the fight on for eight years, costing half a million Iranian lives and about the same number of wounded/ amputated/disabled veterans while suppressing all other political groups inside Iran. After they finally signed the peace treaty in 1988, they mass murdered about 8000 political prisoners.
The regime of Iran still have the monopoly of violence and the goons who they employ represent 5% of the population. They use ruthless force to supplant the wants of the Persian people.
Hitchens “political Islam. A theocratic totalitarian oppression.”
How exactly does one come to the conclusion that the creation of a Jewish state out of whole cloth with a 2000 year interregnum between it and the last state is entirely reasonable, but people who’s grandparents lived in a place need to get over it? Ultimately, there’s no “right” or “wrong” to it, only realpolitik. Israel exists and the free world benefits from its existence, much like the United States, but no serious person tries to ascribe right and wrong to Manifest Destiny and the Trail of Tears.
Many of those people fled their homes because the Arabs told them they would destroy the Jews and then they could return. They didn’t destroy the Jews, they lost the war badly, and there are consequences for losing genocidal wars. Had the Palestinians agreed to the two-state solution in 1947 that the UN tried to broker, instead of refusing to negotiate outright, we wouldn’t have been here.
Going by that logic, the multiple failed Jewish revolts (that were accompanied by slaughter of non-Jewish residents of the region) disqualifies their decedents from claiming that land thousands of years later. Let’s get serious, neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis cares what the other thinks about their claim. The only salient factor is, who has the strength to enforce their will? Let me ask you a question, supposing Israel lost the war in 1947, would that be the end of the question?
Hypotheticals are irrelevant.
Well, that’s telling. So, in short, infinite do-overs and connection to the land for Jews and hard cheese for everyone else? You should apply your own rule on hypotheticals to the hypothetical that the Palestinians are ever going to give up their land claim. Then glance at the demographic trends.
Here is where G-d would be invoked (and I, a non believer)!
As many Jews were displaced from Arab countries and Iran as Palestinians were displaced.
Similar exchanges have happened before: see Greece and Turkey in 1920.
yes yes, so why duz like NOBODDY know this fact? There are zero joos in all these Arab countries... or "countries" (Jordan? etc)
The comments are a tempest in a teapot. The only thing that counts in the Middle East and indeed in the world is power- many times but not always reflected in military victories. And the victors are the ones who always write the histories.
This is bs. Neither the jews nor the Palestinians had any legal right to the territory of Palestine. It was the UN which created the modern state of Israel. The UN also created a Palestinian state, which the Palestinians rejected.
Oversimplification of history. The Jews have always maintained a presence one the region since the fall of the Second Temple. The early Zionists started returning to the Land of Israel in the 1800s, decades before the UN was created.
And arabs have lived in the same land for many centuries. What of it? Neither the jews nor the arabs had a right to own the territory of Palestine, which had been under the control of outside parties since the ancient Kingdom of Israel. Ancient history confers no legal rights in the present. As to moral rights, both jews and Arabs have a moral right to have control of their own states within that territory, and the UN partition recognized this. The fact that the arabs rejected this solution and the Israelis have tried to capitalize on arab opposition to expand their control over the territory does not change this.
Israel has tried for decades to give land-for-peace (two-states) and the Arabs always reject and take the all-or-nothing stance, which they still insist on. The majority of the people in Gaza still support Hamas and the goals of taking over all of Israel.
I understand that. The Palestinians still have a right to the land specified for them under the UN partition whenever they should change their minds and decide to make peace with Israel. Until then, Israel has every right to defend itself. But any Israeli military occupation of Palestinian territory that may be necessary should not turn into annexation.
The Palestinians have no rights whatsoever. Certainly not to the original partition which was rejected in 1948 and rejected along with every other offer of compromise to this day.
Palestinian rejection of the partition does not entitle Israel to annex the land designated for Palestinians under the partition.
That is quite reasonable.
If the Arabs attack Israel, but instead of losing, they won and kicked out all of the Jews, I am certain the world, and especially the UN would not say that even though they lost the war, the Jews are still entitled to the land from the original partition. There are consequences for trying to demolish another country and then kill all the residents. Even the UN has not stated that Israel return to the boundaries of the original partition. Oh, and great article Joshua.
The UN is powerless to enforce anything, so it does have to deal with the realities of the facts on the ground, but this doesn't mean that the jews still shouldn't follow the rules, regardless of what might have happened or what the UN can and cannot do. Countries are not supposed to annex territories anymore, even when they were not the aggressors in a conflict. And the Un specifically says this. So, they have in effected asserted that the original borders should apply.
Any Jews - hell, any human beings - that follow the UN’s overtly antisemitic biased rules merely because they are UN rules, are certifiably insane, or rabidly pro-Islam and pro-leftists.
Pakistan did it; Bangladesk did it; Mynamar did it .... however Israel's success drove them crazy!
Wrong. The UN agreed to a partition of the mandate of Palestine which was immediately rejected by the Arabs and therefore never implemented. The British left Israel declared itself a state. The US and the USSR immediately recognized it and 5 Arab armies invaded but were forced into a cease fire short of their goal of annihilation. Israel created itself and gained recognition. Israel was NOT created by the UN.
I know the history. The partition was carried out. Israel agreed to it and established itself in 1948 according to the agreed-upon borders. Israel had no right to declare itself a state other than under the UN partition arrangement. The only reason the jews drove the British out is because the British were dragging their feet. The UN arrangement was a fait accompli. The fact that the arabs rejected the partition at the time does not mean that accepting it later on is unavailable to the Palestinian arabs, but only at such time as they will recognize Israel and make peace. Israel has no right to any territory outside the borders established under the partition. Military occupation must not become annexation.
“The fact that the arabs rejected the partition at the time does not mean that accepting it later on is unavailable to the Palestinian arabs”
YES. IT. DOES.
Despite you making pronouncements to the contrary.
No, it does not. The world is not supposed to work on the principle that might makes right anymore. That still happens sometimes, but that doesn't make it right. The UN created the state of Israel and the UN still has a say over what happens to the state of Palestine. Sure, the UN has no power of enforcement, unless it can get enough member states to agree to enforce its plan, which is very hard to do. But the partition plan still applies in principle.
“ The world is not supposed to work on the principle that might makes right anymore.”
The UN did not create Israel.
And even if it did, you should listen to and understand the principle behind your claim that might does not make right (“ That still happens sometimes, but that doesn't make it right.”) and realize that the unprincipled UN should not be listened to in the slightest, at least on the subject of Israel.
But I will respond to your naive illogic no further.
The UN enabled the modern state of Israel to exist. That is historical fact. Without the UN, this state would not exist. Simple as that.
More accurate to say the British created it after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. There were some Jews living there at the time. Working on eradicating malaria and other things.
Yes, but that was because the British were given a mandate to control the territory by the League of Nations, the predecessor to the UN. The Mandate was not intended to exist in perpetuity.
Nearly all the countries in the Middle East were “created” after WWI and the destruction of the Ottoman Empire. Lebanon, Syria, Trans-Jordan, Palestine, and Iraq were all created by the victorious nations during the peace talks at the end of the war.
Even if the creation of Israel was invalid in 1947, once it was attacked by all of its neighbors — and Israel defeated them all — Israel legitimately held title to all of the land it conquered at the end of the war by right of conquest. All previous boundaries were nullified by Israel’s victory. The same holds true for the Sinai after Israel defeated Egypt. It was Israel who volunteered to give it back to Egypt in return for a peace treaty that recognized Israel’s right to exist, but they legally didn’t have to give it up.
The single factor that is driving all efforts to remove Israel from the map is the Islamic religion practiced by all Israel’s neighbors and throughout the Middle East and North Africa. When one evaluates the text of the Koran and the Sunnah one finds they are more antisemitic than Mein Kampf (source: Center for the Study of Political Islam International, CSPII).
That is true, but all those other countries were at least overwhelmingly Arab and Muslim and the establishment of those countries didn't really change the facts on the ground and force people to relocate, as the partition of Palestine did. In any case, most countries were established in ways that now seem objectionable to modern sensibilities.
Ah, the Trotskyite ADL war pigs are butthurt again! Time to wax pathetic about the poor defenseless and innocent jews. They only want to get along with all of the superior White Christian people, to donate 30% of their income to us every year, and to fight all our wars for us, what's wrong with that? And besides, that whole goy thing was just a bad henny youngman joke, nobody takes it seriously!
Total bullshit, every time, always the same schpeal. Y'all are not that smart.
Do you want fewer criticisms? Give up the "chosen ones" schtick and be better human beings.
And remember the Liberty. The likes of LBJ will not be elected again for 100s of years!
Isreal, when one knows both who and what he is, will understand why Antisemitism must continue and increase. National Israel must be brought to the place of repentance before, as the disobedient firstborn son of God, he is delivered, brought back to life and placed in the position God created him for. The “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” yet ahead but soon will bring that repentance. There is another Holocaust ahead for Israel. 2/3 of world Jewery will die or be sold into slavery. Then repentance will we forthcoming. And Messiah can return and receive His restored brethren.
1. ya 100% nailed it listin' all the lies that are not only "not helpful" but durnright dangerous--an' as ya state troothfully--just as dangerous ta Palestinians (in the long run) as to us joos, here an' in Oh Israel...
2. but THIS:
"International actors — including the media, academics, humanitarian organizations, and policymakers — have a responsibility to promote accurate and balanced information. "
Wull they ain't takin' such a "responsibility" nor would they when they're bein' paid by whom--Quatar? ta keep up with the soda stream o' lies-on-tap... ALL good folks (yerself included) that tell it like it is--are not gettin' the electric amplifier so they're playin' to a quiet hall, no mic...
If "mossad" an' us "joos" really owned the press how come the loudest voices are the liars unless...it's some kinda self-destructive death wish thing which is concept I don't wanna entertain...
TROOTH is liars are gonna lie--none with a good conscience gonna change their tune. Gotta find new pipers to pipe LOUDER or at least loud enuf ta be heard... git interviewed, etc. MORE not less seems ta be the ticket...
What about a series via Prager U? (they ARE conservative but imho their heart's in the right place an' some of us FORMER lefties will embrace sanity wherever we find it!)
PS
I have a suggestion fer a new writer ta include in yer "stable" of fine journalists--Karen Hunt Mezek -- she's not chewish so this is more perspective from a different angle; she's a brave lady an' speaks loud an' often 'bout supportin' Israel an' us everyday joos... she also finds non-jooish voices in support of Israel too... velly talented an' smart an' wise--DO check out her stack! :
https://khmezek.substack.com/
With regard to Macron, he is French, and anti semitism comes with his territory. The French could not compete with anyone militarily let alone Israel who has proven time after time after time that as a fighting force, they excel. ... Of course noone expects them to -- given their history (and he is aware of that). I have no doubt that Europe will erupt (after that "last" straw) and once again another bad decision will lead to further pain, hardship, etc. Possibly Putin may feel he will benefit (as if Gee would let him) ... it is a sorry stew... one would think that European soil cannot absorb more blood, but people just refuse to learn from history ... where is Charlemagne now that we need him!