As an Israeli peace activist, I say: If you from abroad want to demand something, demand a resolution to the conflict, not the annihilation of one side.
Very well said Jason; Gazans are the living embodiment of the phrase “bite the hand that feeds you”…ungrateful and Jew hating scum. Also there is no county of Palestine…so nothing to “free”
The rabbi is naive at best if she believes that peace can be negotiated with hamas, or hezbollah or Iran. Iran seeks global caliphate and is using its proxies for that end. Hamas is a violent Jew hating militia that seeks the total destruction of the Jews. Following the Quran, they cannot bear the humiliation of a non muslim state superior to their own. Where the muslim once conquered and lost, they must reconquer. There is no negotiating against the mindset of such a culture. Hezbollah is the same.
"As we saw on October 7th, Hamas has no more sympathy for other-than-Jewish Israelis — not even for Muslim ones — than it does for Jewish Israelis." Ner- David obviously has no illusions about Hamas. But it is with enemies you negotiate, as the present Israeli government does. With friends ( like the Biden administration) you discuss your differences of opinion.
How long will it take for old-school peace activists like this author to realize their methods have been appropriated by the Islamo/Leftist alliance to manipulate and pervert the masses. Wake up Ms. Ner-David. The ONLY resolution Israel's enemies want - and yes, this includes the so-called Palestinians - IS the annihilation of one side: ISRAEL!
1) We published this piece because we believe in diversity of thought; and (2) I personally agree that there is much wishful thinking here, but I believe peace should always be given a chance, however small (while not being naive to its blind spots and historical pitfalls).
Joshua of course I appreciate you publishing this. What I fail to appreciate is the obvious utopianistic outlook of the author. All Yahudim need to read the Quran because the influence on Islamic and Arab culture and society of religion cannot be ignored and in order to have a baseline understanding this is necessary. PS I would love to see a female imam or sheikh write a complimentary piece. LMAORAOTF!
I agree that most Palestinians are brainwashed into hating Jews and Israelis. And most Palestinians are Muslim. But not every Muslim takes every single word out of the Koran, just as not every Jew takes every single word out of the Torah. The better argument, IMO, is to say: When the majority of Palestinians truly want peace (and are willing and able to police those who don’t), we will have peace. Until then, Israel will do what it has to do to protect itself and its citizens.
That’s nice but the when sure looks a long way off from here. The worldwide trend of growth for Islam and a continually shrinking Christian population (just as they began in general pulling back from deicide and supersessionism) doesn’t fill me with hope in my dotage.
I agree that the number and percentage of Muslims in the world is troubling! As I said, Israel should do what it has to do. We cannot control how other societies operate.
Yes, I'm glad you published it. We need to know how different people think. It also confirms my belief that it's not only the American flag-wavers keeping Israel from achieving true victory and independence; it's those who believe in peace at all costs, including Israeli lives.
I’m not here to defend Haviva’s views but I did sign off on us publishing this piece. My interpretation was that she was not implicitly or explicitly saying peace at all costs, including if it endangers Israeli lives.
Fair enough. I should have been clearer in my explanation. Haviva stated, “As an Israeli peace activist, I say: If you from abroad want to demand something, demand a resolution to the conflict, not the annihilation of one side.” What part of her brain doesn’t understand that the only resolution to the conflict that is acceptable to the so-called Palestinians and their elected leader, Hamas, is the annihilation of Israel and all Jews. They have stated it – in writing – in almost every protest – in their celebration of the atrocities they inflicted on Israelis. I can only deduce that she is so driven (or deluded) by her personal desire for peace that she is willing to sacrifice the Jewish people to have it. That is what I meant by her wanting “peace at all costs”.
Peace does not mean a resolution acceptable to Hamas, of course. Hamas will never accept peace under any circumstances, beyond the tactical and temporary. Peace means defeating Hamas, robbing them of the basis of their power, marginalizing them in Palestinian society.
I believe it is the only way they can be defeated.
Hamas is not enough. The snake has many heads, with the biggest one being the regime in Iran - empowered and enriched by US President Joe Biden. Others include the Houthis and Hezbollah. All proxies of Iran. None of them want peace with Israel. All want Israel and world Jewry annihilated. The Arabs who call themselves Palestinians - the majority of them who are devout, Jew-hating Muslims - have never wanted statehood. Their entire culture breeds Jew hatred and longs, as their evil slogan states, to occupy Israel "from the river to the sea". I don't care what lies they tell leftist Israeli "peace activists". Just ask the friends and family of the peace-lovers at the Nova festival and at the kibbutzim who were murdered, raped, mutilated and abducted on Oct 7. Some of the atrocities were done by Pallies they KNEW and befriended!
Palestinians never once showed real willingness to have a state. Why bother? It takes too much hard work, you need to be accountable to outside world, you are not a victim anymore thus don’t get steady stream of unlimited funds. That’s why Abbas over decades rejected many Israeli extremely generous offers. But the main reason Palestinians are rejecting 2 states is because they want one state. A Caliphate. Ultimately world Caliphate. They are not shy to admit it.
Has the author also attempted to find common ground with the Jews in Israeli society who are headed in the supposed "Jewish-supremacist, messianic, theocratic, anti-democratic" direction which so outrages the author - Jews who themselves feel oppressed by the progressive elements in the Israeli government? Or are her peace efforts and common-ground-seeking limited to Palestinians?
I've read and listened to these wonderfully written, idealistic everything will be great if we can only talk to one another about peace and live in harmony. What's missing from this pie in the sky essay is a real solution for the conflict that has been going on forever. Where is her actual solution, not the ho hum, two state solution, but an actual solution for living in peace so that the Palestinians and Israelis can do their happy dance? Without a concrete solution from the writer, the rest does not hold as much meaning for this reader.
Author of this harmful at best letter should listen to everything that Mosab Hassan Yousef, Son of Hamas, has to say on the subject!!! He knows first hand because he’s a scholar of Koran and history. When Muslims, any Muslim come to US, pledging oath of allegiance to get their citizenship they lie! They say so themselves. Also Koran says “you can negotiate with infidels only to mislead them”. I’m sorry to hand it to good naive rabbi that his whole life efforts were completely in vain!
I agree that more people should listen to Mosab. He is fantastic. I also don’t think he speaks for all Palestinians. I know other Palestinians like John Aziz who are very pro-peace and pro-two state solution that unequivocally recognizes Israel as a Jewish state no holds bar.
Few voices in the ocean of hate?! Only proves the obvious. It’s been since 1948 at best but actually for millennials of Jew hatred in the Middle East and we don’t see any change. The World awards terrorist Arafat with Nobel prize! How more upside down can this be? Arafat was fully supported and funded by KGB. So was Mahmoud Abbas who wrote his thesis in Moscow! I grew up in Soviet Union, my family were holocaust survivors, I don’t have any illusions and I’m sorry for anyone who does.
Also those students protesting are idiots who have no idea about anything, say the most ridiculous things or admit they are actually not versed on the subject. They are being led by some very evil entity with enormous political influence.
I agree with you that it seems the pro-peace Palestinians are in the minority and we should treat them as such. But that doesn’t mean we can’t also have a conversation about peace with those who want it and maybe over time build a bigger peace-desiring coalition from there.
Then, Josh, you better hope Trump gets elected to rejuvenate the Abraham Accords and expand them. There are Muslim countries that want to normalize relations with Israel but are being prevented by their fundamentalist, Jihad-crazy brothers. There is certainly no will by the Democrats to do this because they are in cahoots with the likes of fundamentalists like Iran and Qatar. Ultimately, whoever is the next president will have to destroy these snakes before they use their war against Israel to take over Western countries. They've already made good progress by taking over our universities.
Okay, Rabbi, you are only a little stupid. Good intentioned but delusional. There will be no two state solution with those that only desire our destruction. Dream on.
The Rabbi is still hopelessly naive. I completely reject the notion that both sides are responsible. You won't choose sides? Really? There is not a clearer contrast between good and evil. You may disagree with the current Israeli government, but it is by no means morally equivalent to hamas. Enough with the ridiculous "both sides" are obstacles to peace talking point.
As for the Rabbi's "palestinian friends" working in partnership and peace, the peaceful naive Jews of the Kibbutzim slaughtered on 10/7 also believed those Gazans who they let into their homes were their friends. But they were using their access to provide intelligence to hamas as well as participated in the slaughter, including the murder of a lady who had driven her would-be murderer to his medical appointments. I pray that the gullible Rabbi never finds out the hard way who his "palestinian friends" really are.
I think there are sides to choose between, but they are not Jewish/Israeli vs. Palestinian. The two sides ultimately are War and Peace.
Hamas wants war, of course; it is their whole reason for being, and the basis of their power. There can never be any such thing as a "permanent ceasefire" with Hamas.
Other factions on the side of war - working partners of Hamas - include Otzma Yehudit and Mafdal.
We don't need to prove anything. We make no apologies about rightfully defending ourselves and our country. We did not start this war, and even then, the civilian to combatant casualty ratio (less than 2-to-1) has been unprecedented on the part of the impeccable IDF.
You see? (HanzalaTahir)That’s what you’re and all of the western world is up against - terrorist are freedom fighters, IDF is genocidal, Palestinians are peaceful people, they are not using rape as weapon etc. Never mind that they are celebrating, without hiding 9/11, October 7 and any other western world suffering or deaths. Ramallah pays pensions to families of suicide bombers still!
Are you trolling here? WTF? Go to your own articles full of your river to the sea bullshit. No one asked for your fucking approval. Go justify the barbarians of Hamas.
You're the one making the outrageous accusation of genocide. The onus is on YOU, the accuser, to prove your claim. But being a muslim you don't have any concept of the American or western notion of fair play.
It seems you're also islamophobic. I am a Muslim but I also read about what was happening there before OCT 7. How can you justify the actions of ISRAELI settlers and how the palestine land is shrinking day by day
Yes the war was started by hamas but there is no point of bombing half of the buildings and now you will say that the hamas fighters were hiding there
The UNICEF report says that only child deaths were more than 13000 and how the ratio can be 2-1
"This is a battle between those who support violence...and those who want to find a way for us to all win out by sharing this land."—Very beautifully said indeed!
After the attack of oct 7 next day gazaoui people on the street where dancing and happy
The gazaoui people kept jews. Hostage in there home
With no food letting them starve
Those are the people from gaza
They had no pity for those poor innocent people ,where was humanity towards jews that lived and helped many many palestinien
Taking them to hospital and trying to be there friend.
Giving them jobs every coutries if you don t pay water electricity they cut your services.
Why israel that have been good to those people gave them free electricity free water work
Ect….
Why can t jordan or egypt do it after all there are there brothers .
Also just to let know jews every where in the world gave jobs to arabs
But you will never see arabs giving a job to a jew and thats a fact
But let me tell you since the begining of the world muslims hated jews.
I am answering tahir, dont you think we deserve a place to live in piece like any countries.
22 arabic countries
Can t we have that small piece .
Think well about it .
Our poeple have suffered enough for many years since the begining.
And that rabbi should start to read the jewish history since the begining of the world .
.
Very well said Jason; Gazans are the living embodiment of the phrase “bite the hand that feeds you”…ungrateful and Jew hating scum. Also there is no county of Palestine…so nothing to “free”
The rabbi is naive at best if she believes that peace can be negotiated with hamas, or hezbollah or Iran. Iran seeks global caliphate and is using its proxies for that end. Hamas is a violent Jew hating militia that seeks the total destruction of the Jews. Following the Quran, they cannot bear the humiliation of a non muslim state superior to their own. Where the muslim once conquered and lost, they must reconquer. There is no negotiating against the mindset of such a culture. Hezbollah is the same.
"As we saw on October 7th, Hamas has no more sympathy for other-than-Jewish Israelis — not even for Muslim ones — than it does for Jewish Israelis." Ner- David obviously has no illusions about Hamas. But it is with enemies you negotiate, as the present Israeli government does. With friends ( like the Biden administration) you discuss your differences of opinion.
How long will it take for old-school peace activists like this author to realize their methods have been appropriated by the Islamo/Leftist alliance to manipulate and pervert the masses. Wake up Ms. Ner-David. The ONLY resolution Israel's enemies want - and yes, this includes the so-called Palestinians - IS the annihilation of one side: ISRAEL!
1) We published this piece because we believe in diversity of thought; and (2) I personally agree that there is much wishful thinking here, but I believe peace should always be given a chance, however small (while not being naive to its blind spots and historical pitfalls).
Joshua of course I appreciate you publishing this. What I fail to appreciate is the obvious utopianistic outlook of the author. All Yahudim need to read the Quran because the influence on Islamic and Arab culture and society of religion cannot be ignored and in order to have a baseline understanding this is necessary. PS I would love to see a female imam or sheikh write a complimentary piece. LMAORAOTF!
I agree that most Palestinians are brainwashed into hating Jews and Israelis. And most Palestinians are Muslim. But not every Muslim takes every single word out of the Koran, just as not every Jew takes every single word out of the Torah. The better argument, IMO, is to say: When the majority of Palestinians truly want peace (and are willing and able to police those who don’t), we will have peace. Until then, Israel will do what it has to do to protect itself and its citizens.
That’s nice but the when sure looks a long way off from here. The worldwide trend of growth for Islam and a continually shrinking Christian population (just as they began in general pulling back from deicide and supersessionism) doesn’t fill me with hope in my dotage.
I agree that the number and percentage of Muslims in the world is troubling! As I said, Israel should do what it has to do. We cannot control how other societies operate.
Do you speak Arabic?
TY. I agree w/ diversity of thought.
Yes, I'm glad you published it. We need to know how different people think. It also confirms my belief that it's not only the American flag-wavers keeping Israel from achieving true victory and independence; it's those who believe in peace at all costs, including Israeli lives.
I’m not here to defend Haviva’s views but I did sign off on us publishing this piece. My interpretation was that she was not implicitly or explicitly saying peace at all costs, including if it endangers Israeli lives.
Fair enough. I should have been clearer in my explanation. Haviva stated, “As an Israeli peace activist, I say: If you from abroad want to demand something, demand a resolution to the conflict, not the annihilation of one side.” What part of her brain doesn’t understand that the only resolution to the conflict that is acceptable to the so-called Palestinians and their elected leader, Hamas, is the annihilation of Israel and all Jews. They have stated it – in writing – in almost every protest – in their celebration of the atrocities they inflicted on Israelis. I can only deduce that she is so driven (or deluded) by her personal desire for peace that she is willing to sacrifice the Jewish people to have it. That is what I meant by her wanting “peace at all costs”.
Peace does not mean a resolution acceptable to Hamas, of course. Hamas will never accept peace under any circumstances, beyond the tactical and temporary. Peace means defeating Hamas, robbing them of the basis of their power, marginalizing them in Palestinian society.
I believe it is the only way they can be defeated.
Hamas is not enough. The snake has many heads, with the biggest one being the regime in Iran - empowered and enriched by US President Joe Biden. Others include the Houthis and Hezbollah. All proxies of Iran. None of them want peace with Israel. All want Israel and world Jewry annihilated. The Arabs who call themselves Palestinians - the majority of them who are devout, Jew-hating Muslims - have never wanted statehood. Their entire culture breeds Jew hatred and longs, as their evil slogan states, to occupy Israel "from the river to the sea". I don't care what lies they tell leftist Israeli "peace activists". Just ask the friends and family of the peace-lovers at the Nova festival and at the kibbutzim who were murdered, raped, mutilated and abducted on Oct 7. Some of the atrocities were done by Pallies they KNEW and befriended!
As per usual Susan, spot on
Palestinians never once showed real willingness to have a state. Why bother? It takes too much hard work, you need to be accountable to outside world, you are not a victim anymore thus don’t get steady stream of unlimited funds. That’s why Abbas over decades rejected many Israeli extremely generous offers. But the main reason Palestinians are rejecting 2 states is because they want one state. A Caliphate. Ultimately world Caliphate. They are not shy to admit it.
Has the author also attempted to find common ground with the Jews in Israeli society who are headed in the supposed "Jewish-supremacist, messianic, theocratic, anti-democratic" direction which so outrages the author - Jews who themselves feel oppressed by the progressive elements in the Israeli government? Or are her peace efforts and common-ground-seeking limited to Palestinians?
Fabulous point.
For someone who wants peace in Israel, there is no more common ground to be had with Kahanists than with Hamas.
I totally agree with you.
Please! Listen to what Mosab Hassan Yousef has to say on this subject. Best I’ve heard so far!
https://youtu.be/P9s02-7a-oM?si=RodChvOgr3lXoX-s
Mosab always tells it truthfully because he lived it up close and personal.
He left that horrible place and converted.
Sorry, what place?
G-d bless Bibi! No peace w/ those who want dead Jews! Wake up, Rabbi, please!
Yes god bless him
Without the return of the hostages & the destruction of Hamas, delusional is putting it mildly.
I've read and listened to these wonderfully written, idealistic everything will be great if we can only talk to one another about peace and live in harmony. What's missing from this pie in the sky essay is a real solution for the conflict that has been going on forever. Where is her actual solution, not the ho hum, two state solution, but an actual solution for living in peace so that the Palestinians and Israelis can do their happy dance? Without a concrete solution from the writer, the rest does not hold as much meaning for this reader.
A cease fire is not a good idea. I know you are an idealistic person but you are looking for another 10/7. Which I know you don’t want.
Author of this harmful at best letter should listen to everything that Mosab Hassan Yousef, Son of Hamas, has to say on the subject!!! He knows first hand because he’s a scholar of Koran and history. When Muslims, any Muslim come to US, pledging oath of allegiance to get their citizenship they lie! They say so themselves. Also Koran says “you can negotiate with infidels only to mislead them”. I’m sorry to hand it to good naive rabbi that his whole life efforts were completely in vain!
I agree that more people should listen to Mosab. He is fantastic. I also don’t think he speaks for all Palestinians. I know other Palestinians like John Aziz who are very pro-peace and pro-two state solution that unequivocally recognizes Israel as a Jewish state no holds bar.
Few voices in the ocean of hate?! Only proves the obvious. It’s been since 1948 at best but actually for millennials of Jew hatred in the Middle East and we don’t see any change. The World awards terrorist Arafat with Nobel prize! How more upside down can this be? Arafat was fully supported and funded by KGB. So was Mahmoud Abbas who wrote his thesis in Moscow! I grew up in Soviet Union, my family were holocaust survivors, I don’t have any illusions and I’m sorry for anyone who does.
Also those students protesting are idiots who have no idea about anything, say the most ridiculous things or admit they are actually not versed on the subject. They are being led by some very evil entity with enormous political influence.
I agree with you that it seems the pro-peace Palestinians are in the minority and we should treat them as such. But that doesn’t mean we can’t also have a conversation about peace with those who want it and maybe over time build a bigger peace-desiring coalition from there.
Then, Josh, you better hope Trump gets elected to rejuvenate the Abraham Accords and expand them. There are Muslim countries that want to normalize relations with Israel but are being prevented by their fundamentalist, Jihad-crazy brothers. There is certainly no will by the Democrats to do this because they are in cahoots with the likes of fundamentalists like Iran and Qatar. Ultimately, whoever is the next president will have to destroy these snakes before they use their war against Israel to take over Western countries. They've already made good progress by taking over our universities.
Okay, Rabbi, you are only a little stupid. Good intentioned but delusional. There will be no two state solution with those that only desire our destruction. Dream on.
Delusional is the word and frankly it’s a bit of moral preening which is annoying.
The Rabbi is still hopelessly naive. I completely reject the notion that both sides are responsible. You won't choose sides? Really? There is not a clearer contrast between good and evil. You may disagree with the current Israeli government, but it is by no means morally equivalent to hamas. Enough with the ridiculous "both sides" are obstacles to peace talking point.
As for the Rabbi's "palestinian friends" working in partnership and peace, the peaceful naive Jews of the Kibbutzim slaughtered on 10/7 also believed those Gazans who they let into their homes were their friends. But they were using their access to provide intelligence to hamas as well as participated in the slaughter, including the murder of a lady who had driven her would-be murderer to his medical appointments. I pray that the gullible Rabbi never finds out the hard way who his "palestinian friends" really are.
I think there are sides to choose between, but they are not Jewish/Israeli vs. Palestinian. The two sides ultimately are War and Peace.
Hamas wants war, of course; it is their whole reason for being, and the basis of their power. There can never be any such thing as a "permanent ceasefire" with Hamas.
Other factions on the side of war - working partners of Hamas - include Otzma Yehudit and Mafdal.
Precisely!
I very read many of your articles
I don't know what's your thought process
you guys try to justify the zionist actions in very pathetic way which strengths our belief that israel is doing a genocide
I came here to read about Jews perspective and you don't have any thing to prove your innocence
We don't need to prove anything. We make no apologies about rightfully defending ourselves and our country. We did not start this war, and even then, the civilian to combatant casualty ratio (less than 2-to-1) has been unprecedented on the part of the impeccable IDF.
You see? (HanzalaTahir)That’s what you’re and all of the western world is up against - terrorist are freedom fighters, IDF is genocidal, Palestinians are peaceful people, they are not using rape as weapon etc. Never mind that they are celebrating, without hiding 9/11, October 7 and any other western world suffering or deaths. Ramallah pays pensions to families of suicide bombers still!
Are you trolling here? WTF? Go to your own articles full of your river to the sea bullshit. No one asked for your fucking approval. Go justify the barbarians of Hamas.
You're the one making the outrageous accusation of genocide. The onus is on YOU, the accuser, to prove your claim. But being a muslim you don't have any concept of the American or western notion of fair play.
It seems you're also islamophobic. I am a Muslim but I also read about what was happening there before OCT 7. How can you justify the actions of ISRAELI settlers and how the palestine land is shrinking day by day
Yes the war was started by hamas but there is no point of bombing half of the buildings and now you will say that the hamas fighters were hiding there
The UNICEF report says that only child deaths were more than 13000 and how the ratio can be 2-1
The Arab cries out whiningly yet again, the Jew hit me back
Go fix your own shit hole country
by the way, we also condemned the terrorist attack on 9/11 . because of this attack faced a lot of difficulties
"This is a battle between those who support violence...and those who want to find a way for us to all win out by sharing this land."—Very beautifully said indeed!