At this point, the vast majority of Israelis has internalised that having a " Palestinian" state is never going to happen. October 7th was probably the last straw.
Many have also begun to understand that the only thing the Arabs in Judea and Samaria want or think about is destroying Israel.
The hoax must be exposed . There is nothing else of any relevance left.
Facts:
" Palestine" ceased to exist in 1947. The current conjuring of " Palestine" is black magic intended to resuscitate a dead organism.
The Arabs, who waged a genocidal war in 1948, are responsible for their Arab brethren's misfortune. They created the tragedy.
They must solve it.
They must find those " Palestinians", the greatest fraud of the Middle East, a place to be, under the governance of responsible totalitarian Arab governments.
Quatar informs the pathological minds of the so called " Palestinians". Quatar is an internal Arab problem.
The rejected " Palestine" little additional Arab state was conquered by Jordan in 1948. The " Palestinians" belong to them. Jordan was and is Palestine.
No Arab state wants " Palestinians" . They know what catastrophic human low life they deal with. To keep waiting for Israel to take care of victims of Arab aggression seeks to absolve the Arabs of their crime. It also allows the Arab cowards maximum projection of their savage world on the Israelis, and the Jews in general, as they always did, and as the West also does.
For the Arabs who slaughter so many of their own, by the millions, to keep insisting on " Gaza deaths" is proof of their lack of moral accountability, their insane barbaric " honour" culture, and wilful ignorance of Israel's rights and how morally they conducted the vital work of defeating Hamas.
Wow. This rings so painfully true. I am more hopeful on the Israeli side - while we may not agree on most things, we can agree to support each other in dangerous times. If the Palestinians were to come together and end their enmity, that’s when we would have real troubles.
No amount of Resolutions at the UN hide the fact that all Arab Militias revert to Terrorism, via arms smuggling and external State sponsors like Saudi, Turkey and the Gulf States. This continues to be the case in Gaza and in The West Bank, and will continue forever, because this is the FUNDAMENTAL nature of Arab Nationalism and Arab Nationalism's Islamist core. And who will police these States, (who, by the way are not Democracies)? When The West gets tired, and once the terrorist murders start again, (first in one Jihadi murder and then in twos and then more beyond), Gaza will return to terrorism, but this time under the cover of Statehood: This is what is planned.
This is the clearest analysis I’ve yet read of this 70-year-old ongoing conflict. But comparing Palestinians to post-war Germany is optimistic. Post-war Germany was not a society whose sole purpose for existing was the destruction of another country. I still don’t believe ‘Palestinians’ want a state - they want to wipe Israel off the map. And that’s why they’ve never agreed to a two-state solution, despite being offered one many times.
Brilliant article . Searing true. You would think every newspaper everywhere would say Josh! Can we please publish your article. Film producers world wide clamouring to make it into an amazing documentary that festivals headline as the premiere film . Well back to reality . I for one deeply appreciate it. It deserves a film. As so insightful and persuasive. Michael
There is. A world wide Muslim religious war....the US has been. Invaded...the UK Norway Sweden Finland Canada Portugal Spain Belgium Australia France Belgium have already been conquered and are Muslim countries....
The comparison to post WWII Germany and Japan is particulary apt. Those transformations required complete ideological overhauls, not just diplomatic agreements. The challnge you highlight about Palestinian factionalism being unified only by opposition to Israel rather than by a shared vision for governance is crucial. When political legitimacy rests entirely on perpetuating conflict, any leader attempting genuine peace becomes vulnerable to being labeled a traitor by their own people.
I question what Trump is thinking. He surely cannot believe that Hamas is going to disarm or anyone is capable of and willing to disarm them other than the IDF. What does he really expect to happen? If it were the Democrats I would have no doubt. They would sell out Israel by insisting Hamas is complying and pushing to move ahead with more Israeli concessions. I dont think Trump intends to sell out Israel. But I am not sure what he expects.
Every concession Pals get only increases their terror. So try the opposite: tell them "No state ever, until you stop worshipping terror. 20 years after that happens, we'll see."
Joshua, this is why the peace deal has, as you note in the essay, this part: "...once Gaza is demilitarized and rebuilt, and once the West Bank’s Palestinian Authority “faithfully” reforms itself, a “credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood” may finally emerge."' "MAY" emerge. Maybe not. In other. words, Gaza will be managed and overseen for a very long time as it slowly de-radicalizes. It will take a generation, surely, and it will start with what is taught to the children and adults. Bringing in new Imams preaching peace, new teachers, and other reforms must happen, as happened successfully in the United Arab Emirates. Of course, Gaza must have all weapons removed--not just from Hamas but from the clans that can cause trouble. This reformation can (and will) occur in concurrence with rebuilding Gaza and providing jobs to civilians, and stability. In 20 years, once the Gazans are reformed and they have jobs and families and there is peace in the Middle East, they will most likely not want their own state; why would they when things are going so well the "new" way? The key is disarmament and new education and the international peace board rejecting any "leadership" that isn't on board with the New Middle East.
Dana your well meaning words and naive faith in the ability of the Arab - Muslims to eventually change not just their religious beliefs, but their very culture, is the bane of western civilization. You seem to forget that it took christidom over a thousand years to "unlearn" violence as a means of religious "expression." Crusades, Inquisition, Burning of heretics etc. I don't that we will see such a radical change in 'just' a few generations.
Perhaps. But Dubai and the UAE managed to turn things around and following their template might work. And if it doesn't? Well, then there will never even be a consideration of giving the "Palestinians" a "state." And they will forever be watched and monitored for signs of rebuilding terror networks. With demilitarization, they can keep yelling about killing all the Jews, but they won't be a threat. Either way, it is fascinating to watch unfold.
A good piece, Dana, the only thing that causes me to scratch my head is the statement about 'Imams preaching peace' - I've never heard of that in the UK, never mind the Middle East.
Oh, yes, there is an entire Muslim Reform Movement and only Imam's preaching peace, coexistence, non-violence are allowed in the United Arab Emirates, and Dubai, in the USA (but their voices are squashed by that haters, usually). This is the direction Israel's new Arab partners want to go. You can find some of these Muslim "peace" leaders and Imam's on social media. For instance, this guy, Loay Alshareef, you can find many of his videos in English (and in Arabic). Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1dHRBfG1zE. There are lots of Muslim reformers like him. Keep in mind, Christianity had to undergo a reformation and move from religious violence to peaceful co-existence. The UAE is a good example of making it happen.
I came across Boundless Israel, Aviva Klompas et al...all young people looking at their profiles.
In the history section, they write of the deep connection of the Arabic speaking largely Muslim colonial settlers have with their homeland. They do write that there is no reciprocity. Here at home in NYC I have to deal with new "not my mayor" who can recognize 33 or so Arab identified countries and 55 Islamic self identified .....but will no accept Israel's self identity. Nor will young Jews such as I met a university 50 year ago who lack any kind of Jewish soul ...either indifferent or hostile. Counter that with the young American, Australian, Dutch, UK people I worked on the kibbutz with. So today too....we have a break in Jewish unity. And looking at the Israel demonstrations before and during this conflict....Israel looks very conflicted. Yet, people came back from the US and Western Europe to fight...and die....not lost on me 900 plus dead very young men and women. And they did so with courage and valiance that wasn't called upon me while picking oranges....but that was my contribution. To your point....I don't see any kind of state making in "Palestine" much as they didn't in the prelude to the partition plan. Jews had a state in the making by the thirties In the 21 century the Pals still don't. Tribal society. That's taken to be racist but it's reality.
"When you compromise with evil the only one who wins is evil."
Lebo Von Lo~Debar
Former/Always 82nd Airborne Infantryman, Disabled Veteran for Life, & Author of the book, "The Separation of Corporation and State" subtitled "Common Sense and the Two-Party Crisis" Available on Amazon.
At this point, the vast majority of Israelis has internalised that having a " Palestinian" state is never going to happen. October 7th was probably the last straw.
Many have also begun to understand that the only thing the Arabs in Judea and Samaria want or think about is destroying Israel.
The hoax must be exposed . There is nothing else of any relevance left.
Facts:
" Palestine" ceased to exist in 1947. The current conjuring of " Palestine" is black magic intended to resuscitate a dead organism.
The Arabs, who waged a genocidal war in 1948, are responsible for their Arab brethren's misfortune. They created the tragedy.
They must solve it.
They must find those " Palestinians", the greatest fraud of the Middle East, a place to be, under the governance of responsible totalitarian Arab governments.
Quatar informs the pathological minds of the so called " Palestinians". Quatar is an internal Arab problem.
The rejected " Palestine" little additional Arab state was conquered by Jordan in 1948. The " Palestinians" belong to them. Jordan was and is Palestine.
No Arab state wants " Palestinians" . They know what catastrophic human low life they deal with. To keep waiting for Israel to take care of victims of Arab aggression seeks to absolve the Arabs of their crime. It also allows the Arab cowards maximum projection of their savage world on the Israelis, and the Jews in general, as they always did, and as the West also does.
For the Arabs who slaughter so many of their own, by the millions, to keep insisting on " Gaza deaths" is proof of their lack of moral accountability, their insane barbaric " honour" culture, and wilful ignorance of Israel's rights and how morally they conducted the vital work of defeating Hamas.
The UN should be defunded.
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Spot On
Wow. This rings so painfully true. I am more hopeful on the Israeli side - while we may not agree on most things, we can agree to support each other in dangerous times. If the Palestinians were to come together and end their enmity, that’s when we would have real troubles.
No amount of Resolutions at the UN hide the fact that all Arab Militias revert to Terrorism, via arms smuggling and external State sponsors like Saudi, Turkey and the Gulf States. This continues to be the case in Gaza and in The West Bank, and will continue forever, because this is the FUNDAMENTAL nature of Arab Nationalism and Arab Nationalism's Islamist core. And who will police these States, (who, by the way are not Democracies)? When The West gets tired, and once the terrorist murders start again, (first in one Jihadi murder and then in twos and then more beyond), Gaza will return to terrorism, but this time under the cover of Statehood: This is what is planned.
Very well written article, cogent, and tragically true.
Now write about how the UN could better articulate the contingencies for peace and a Palestinian State.
I'm less and less convinced of the two state solution ...but what then.
There is no alternative scenario that secures Israel a happy future...
I don't honestly see how Israel can subscribe to a Two State Solution.
It's not dissimilar to the IRA having demanded an Irish State in Suffolk - it would never have happened.
Amen brother.
This is the clearest analysis I’ve yet read of this 70-year-old ongoing conflict. But comparing Palestinians to post-war Germany is optimistic. Post-war Germany was not a society whose sole purpose for existing was the destruction of another country. I still don’t believe ‘Palestinians’ want a state - they want to wipe Israel off the map. And that’s why they’ve never agreed to a two-state solution, despite being offered one many times.
Brilliant article . Searing true. You would think every newspaper everywhere would say Josh! Can we please publish your article. Film producers world wide clamouring to make it into an amazing documentary that festivals headline as the premiere film . Well back to reality . I for one deeply appreciate it. It deserves a film. As so insightful and persuasive. Michael
There is. A world wide Muslim religious war....the US has been. Invaded...the UK Norway Sweden Finland Canada Portugal Spain Belgium Australia France Belgium have already been conquered and are Muslim countries....
The comparison to post WWII Germany and Japan is particulary apt. Those transformations required complete ideological overhauls, not just diplomatic agreements. The challnge you highlight about Palestinian factionalism being unified only by opposition to Israel rather than by a shared vision for governance is crucial. When political legitimacy rests entirely on perpetuating conflict, any leader attempting genuine peace becomes vulnerable to being labeled a traitor by their own people.
GOD BLESS ISRAEL AND ITS PEOPLE
I question what Trump is thinking. He surely cannot believe that Hamas is going to disarm or anyone is capable of and willing to disarm them other than the IDF. What does he really expect to happen? If it were the Democrats I would have no doubt. They would sell out Israel by insisting Hamas is complying and pushing to move ahead with more Israeli concessions. I dont think Trump intends to sell out Israel. But I am not sure what he expects.
Every concession Pals get only increases their terror. So try the opposite: tell them "No state ever, until you stop worshipping terror. 20 years after that happens, we'll see."
Joshua, this is why the peace deal has, as you note in the essay, this part: "...once Gaza is demilitarized and rebuilt, and once the West Bank’s Palestinian Authority “faithfully” reforms itself, a “credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood” may finally emerge."' "MAY" emerge. Maybe not. In other. words, Gaza will be managed and overseen for a very long time as it slowly de-radicalizes. It will take a generation, surely, and it will start with what is taught to the children and adults. Bringing in new Imams preaching peace, new teachers, and other reforms must happen, as happened successfully in the United Arab Emirates. Of course, Gaza must have all weapons removed--not just from Hamas but from the clans that can cause trouble. This reformation can (and will) occur in concurrence with rebuilding Gaza and providing jobs to civilians, and stability. In 20 years, once the Gazans are reformed and they have jobs and families and there is peace in the Middle East, they will most likely not want their own state; why would they when things are going so well the "new" way? The key is disarmament and new education and the international peace board rejecting any "leadership" that isn't on board with the New Middle East.
Dana your well meaning words and naive faith in the ability of the Arab - Muslims to eventually change not just their religious beliefs, but their very culture, is the bane of western civilization. You seem to forget that it took christidom over a thousand years to "unlearn" violence as a means of religious "expression." Crusades, Inquisition, Burning of heretics etc. I don't that we will see such a radical change in 'just' a few generations.
Perhaps. But Dubai and the UAE managed to turn things around and following their template might work. And if it doesn't? Well, then there will never even be a consideration of giving the "Palestinians" a "state." And they will forever be watched and monitored for signs of rebuilding terror networks. With demilitarization, they can keep yelling about killing all the Jews, but they won't be a threat. Either way, it is fascinating to watch unfold.
A good piece, Dana, the only thing that causes me to scratch my head is the statement about 'Imams preaching peace' - I've never heard of that in the UK, never mind the Middle East.
Oh, yes, there is an entire Muslim Reform Movement and only Imam's preaching peace, coexistence, non-violence are allowed in the United Arab Emirates, and Dubai, in the USA (but their voices are squashed by that haters, usually). This is the direction Israel's new Arab partners want to go. You can find some of these Muslim "peace" leaders and Imam's on social media. For instance, this guy, Loay Alshareef, you can find many of his videos in English (and in Arabic). Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1dHRBfG1zE. There are lots of Muslim reformers like him. Keep in mind, Christianity had to undergo a reformation and move from religious violence to peaceful co-existence. The UAE is a good example of making it happen.
True
I came across Boundless Israel, Aviva Klompas et al...all young people looking at their profiles.
In the history section, they write of the deep connection of the Arabic speaking largely Muslim colonial settlers have with their homeland. They do write that there is no reciprocity. Here at home in NYC I have to deal with new "not my mayor" who can recognize 33 or so Arab identified countries and 55 Islamic self identified .....but will no accept Israel's self identity. Nor will young Jews such as I met a university 50 year ago who lack any kind of Jewish soul ...either indifferent or hostile. Counter that with the young American, Australian, Dutch, UK people I worked on the kibbutz with. So today too....we have a break in Jewish unity. And looking at the Israel demonstrations before and during this conflict....Israel looks very conflicted. Yet, people came back from the US and Western Europe to fight...and die....not lost on me 900 plus dead very young men and women. And they did so with courage and valiance that wasn't called upon me while picking oranges....but that was my contribution. To your point....I don't see any kind of state making in "Palestine" much as they didn't in the prelude to the partition plan. Jews had a state in the making by the thirties In the 21 century the Pals still don't. Tribal society. That's taken to be racist but it's reality.
I will keep saying it until people understand it.
"When you compromise with evil the only one who wins is evil."
Lebo Von Lo~Debar
Former/Always 82nd Airborne Infantryman, Disabled Veteran for Life, & Author of the book, "The Separation of Corporation and State" subtitled "Common Sense and the Two-Party Crisis" Available on Amazon.
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