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The Holy Land News's avatar

Great post. 👏

I have no problem with anyone that criticises the State of Israel as long as it's supported with facts and merit.

https://honestreporting.com/how-criticize-israel-without-being-antisemitic/

Danny Rosenstein's avatar

The problem with the criticism of Israel leveled by too many Diaspora Jews, especially Reform and progressive Jews, is that it is based on arrogance and ignorance. As regards arrogance, they evaluate Israel from thousands of miles away, protected from and without regard to the reality in which Israelis live their lives. While Diaspora Jews might sympathize with Israelis having to run to bomb shelters, they don’t know what means to live under the constant threats of attack. They criticize Israel’s conduct but cannot offer alternatives that are either impossible to achieve or would expose Israel to existential harm. At my former synagogue (Reform), I heard members complain that Israel doesn’t represent them as Jews. My response was always the same - you are an American, the Israeli government represent doesn’t represent you; it represents Israelis including non-Jewish Israelis. With respect to ignorance, many of these people have never visited Israel or, if they have, it’s on a highly curated tour that bears no resemblance to living in Israel. In addition, their view of Israel is shaped by what they see on MSNBC, CNN or read in the NY Times, meaning they are influenced by an anti-Israel narrative. Finally, and to complete my latest rant, criticism of Israel leveled by Reform and progressive Jews is that Israel doesn’t reflect their “Jewish values.” However, their “Jewish values” don’t reflect the particularism of Judaism as much as they represent universalist progressive ideology.

Barry Lederman, “normie”'s avatar

Thank you for this post. I always said that as a Diaspora Jew you have no skin in the game and I mean real skin. The only thing that should matter to the Diaspora is full financial support to Israel and it has to be chosen carefully and not to politically opposed causes.

Clarity Seeker's avatar

I am for free speech . Jews here can criticize and hate Netanyahu as long as I am free to unload on them especially those who voted for mamdani and who are m ore leftist than jew. We all know many in these categories and who really don't care about israel when push comes to shove. Many still stupidly believe if israel were home the ME and the world in general would be filled w peace and kumbaya. They denigrate t h e US Supreme Court but drool over the Israeli one because it is controlled by leftists w no oversight. Schumer, I am talking to you??

Irwin Weiss's avatar

I agree 100%.

For someone who does not live in Israel, and isn't subject to daily bombardments and sirens, to criticize Israel for responding is preposterous.

My niece, a single mother of a 7 yr. old and a 1 yr old lives near Tel Aviv and tells me that during the recent missile attacks, she has trouble even getting into the shower, because you don't know when the sirens are going to sound, and how do you get out of the shower, dry, dress and grab the two kids and get to the shelter? A good friend of mine lives in an apartment house in Jerusalem. There is a "safe room" toward the bottom of the building, but the elderly residents who don't walk so fast have trouble getting down the stairs quickly, so they just stay in their apartment and hope for the best.

Until you live in those conditions, it is truly obnoxious to complain that Israel is trying to knock out the launchers of the missiles (both the equipment and the personnel).

Frederick Tatala's avatar

Joshua, I’ve read your work, and I’ll be blunt—this is the weakest article you’ve written, because the premise is off.

Of course Jews can criticize Israel. We criticize every other country in the world when we’re informed, and Israel is no exception. But unlike any other country, what Israel does doesn’t stay in Israel. Jews in the diaspora live with the consequences—socially, politically, and sometimes physically. We have skin in the game whether we like it or not.

That connection matters. It means thoughtful, informed criticism isn’t just valid—it’s part of being invested.

You’re right that shallow, uninformed criticism is useless. But that’s not the same as saying criticism from outside Israel has little value. It does—when it’s grounded in knowledge and real concern.

I’ll give you a simple example. I’ve long believed Israel should have the death penalty for terrorism. Not as rhetoric, but because of the real-world consequences of prisoner exchanges. You may disagree, but that’s a legitimate position based on how Israel operates and what it faces.

Same with structural issues—like the number of political parties and the imbalance that creates. These are fair debates, not “outsider noise.”

And one more thing: don’t assume that living in Israel gives someone a monopoly on pride or ownership. Jews don’t experience the world that way. When something happens involving Israel, nobody stops to distinguish between an Israeli Jew and a diaspora Jew. To the world, we’re one.

So yes—criticism should be informed. But it is absolutely part of the relationship Jews everywhere have with Israel. Dismissing it outright misses that reality

Sandra Klein's avatar

You are the one who is wrong. You don’t live there and that gives you no right to criticize. I have lived in 3 continents including Israel and The US. American Jews live in their own little safe bubble. They are brainwashed by their liberal, safe little bubble. They have no understanding of the rest of the world. They believe the rest of the world thinks as they do or can be “enlightened” to think like them. Israel has been destroyed twice because Jews couldn’t agree and be unified even when they had their own country. Now they are being destroyed again by the liberal majority of diaspora Jews who criticize the only safe haven Jews have today. American Jews may be allowed to continue their lives when Israelis are driven “From the River to the Sea!” But where will the remnants go? After the Holocaust the survivors were kept in camps until Israel was created. No other country would take them. Today Europe is overcome with Muslims and antisemitism is as bad as in the 1930s. If it weren’t for Trump it would probably be worse here and American Jews don’t even get that! Just remember when they destroy Israel they will come for you too!

Frederick Tatala's avatar

You disagree with me—that’s fine. But saying I have no right to criticize because I don’t live in Israel is where your argument falls apart.

First, let’s be precise—you don’t “live in continents,” you live in countries. More importantly, Jews—whether in Israel or the diaspora—don’t exist in some rigid hierarchy of who’s allowed to think. Different realities, yes. No right to an informed opinion? No.

And the idea that American Jews all live in a “liberal bubble” is simply not accurate. Jews, like Israelis, have a wide range of views—politically, culturally, and ideologically. Reducing millions of people to a caricature doesn’t strengthen your argument; it weakens it.

If you want to claim that one side is “uninformed,” then it should be backed by actual data, not assumptions based on a few visible voices. Prominent individuals don’t represent an entire population.

At the end of the day, you’re entitled to your opinion, and so am I. That’s the point. But dismissing someone’s perspective outright because of where they live doesn’t hold up.

Frederick Tatala's avatar

You’re entitled to disagree with me, but you’re making assumptions about me that are simply not grounded in reality.

You say “70% of American Jews think like you.” Think like what, exactly? You don’t know my views. You haven’t read what I’ve written. You’re arguing against a version of me that exists in your head, not the actual person.

You’re making sweeping claims about American Jews living in a “bubble,” being “brainwashed,” and thinking one way, without any serious evidence to back it up. That’s not analysis. That’s stereotyping.

Yes, where people live matters. Israelis experience things diaspora Jews do not. I have never denied that. But that does not mean diaspora Jews are ignorant, irrelevant, or have no right to informed opinions about Israel. Jews everywhere are connected to Israel, and we all live with the consequences in different ways.

If you actually want to know what I think, don’t guess. Read what I write:

fredericktatala.substack.com

Sandra Klein's avatar

I’ve read what you write and I don’t like it. Yes we do all live with the consequences of what all Jews think. Look at Jewish history! Most of our disasters came about because we couldn’t agree with each other. After October 7 you don’t hear of the Israeli Jews criticizing their government and leaders any more. The split in Israel caused the Gazans to attack. Listen to your readers. At times like this we need to be a unified front and keep our unwanted liberal opinions to ourself rather than spreading them around a totally anti semitic world. The Israelis have enough Muslims and Christians who want their annihilation. We don’t need opinionated Jews to encouraged them. Sounds like you voted for Obama who caused this problem. Now his buddy Rohm Emmanuel is telling Americans we shouldn’t be giving aid to Israel.

If you want Israel to survive, and diaspora Jewry to be safe, keep your mouth shut with any more criticism!

Frederick Tatala's avatar

Sandra, I’ll be direct—you say you’ve read what I write, but you don’t point to a single specific argument you disagree with. That tells me you’re reacting to assumptions, not what I’ve actually said.

You’re also making claims about me that are simply wrong. I didn’t vote for Obama. I voted for Trump—twice. I don’t label myself ideologically; I vote on policy. You, on the other hand, seem to label everything and everyone, and that’s exactly why your view comes across as narrow.

And let’s address the tone: telling me to “keep my mouth shut” isn’t an argument—it’s rude and dismissive. You don’t get to decide which Jews are allowed to speak and which aren’t.

Of course unity matters. No one is arguing against that. But unity does not mean silence, and it certainly doesn’t mean shutting down informed discussion. Disagreement has always been part of Jewish life—that’s not weakness, it’s how we think.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but trying to silence others isn’t a serious position—it just avoids the conversation.

At this point, I’m not going to keep going back and forth. If you want to engage, engage with what I actually write. Otherwise, we’re just talking past each other, and that’s a waste of time.

Freedom Lover's avatar

I agree with you as you can see from my own comment. But in my opinion the number rule of criticizing Israel is to not make common cause with our enemies. We need to keep it "in the family."

Frederick Tatala's avatar

Agree with you completely I also feel that it's not appropriate to criticize Israel when it's at war Israel is at war and has been for the past 2 years and criticism of bb should not be taking place during this time be well and keep fighting the good fight

Sandra Klein's avatar

Where people live is extremely relevant. Each countries population is brainwashed by its religious and political leaders….and whoever controls the press. Americans have been isolated from war and real danger for generations. They have no understanding of what it is like to be under bombardment from people who want to kill you on a daily basis. Most middle class Americans have never known someone of their generation being killed even in a foreign war. They have never walked passed bomb sites or Forced to flee from their homes during bombing raids.

I’m sure you believe Iran can be reasoned with because you know so little about middle eastern culture, history and religion. As a Jew who has lived and studied world history and culture for many years I am fast becoming an anti- Semite because of Jews like you. Polls show that 70% of American Jews think like you. And you people will bring about our destruction again!

Hello9's avatar

If you don't have an oar in the water, you have no right to say how fast the canoe should go.

Diaspora Jews--when it comes to Israel-- fail to understand this reality.

What a well-written essay!

Bonnie Geller's avatar

Thank you for your article. It needs to be said over and over. It is bad enough when non-Jews in the Western world are showing how incredibly Jew hating they are, by only focusing on Israel and their beloved terrorists, while ignoring Sudan where over 100 000 Christians have been slaughtered in the past couple of years, or in Northern Nigeria, where the same is happening. When the smug American Progressive Jews continually criticize and demonize Israel, they are actually what the Arabs in the ME call "useful idiots". The Western media which is ready to pounce on Israel for anything that Israel does that is necessary in the context of an incredibly hostile ME, uses these "useful idiots", by saying, "see the Jews even say Israel is committing ...". Let these same Jews go live in Israel and then complain, but sitting in their entitled, elitist bubble wrapped lives in the US, they are making a mockery of American Jews in general in the eyes of the rest of the Jews in the Diaspora. Granted some are known Marxists and follow the old Stalinist hatred of Jews used in the Cold War, but their religion is Marxism and their god is Marx, and will never change. The rest will suffer the consequences of their own words, by creating more violence, death threats, and shootings due to Jew hatred intensifying.

Will Meyerhofer's avatar

Piling on the criticism - let's face it, demonizing Israel - is just anti-Zionism, which is a trendy new term for Jew-hate. No other country gets that treatment...only Israel. And that's the proof that this isn't about a "critique" of policies...it's about hate. When Jews living abroad join in, it's mostly their attempt to "fit in" by joining in attacks on their own people...and it's not admirable. In fact, it's contemptible.

Freedom Lover's avatar

As an American Jew deeply committed to Israel here are my thoughts.

1. While I have my thoughts and opinions on things related to Israel as a general rule I do not think I know better than Israelis what is best for them. I

2. I do believe that the many diaspora Zionists who have spent their lives immersed in support for Israel have a right to hold views and opinions even if they haven't lived in Israel. I believe they have the right to be critical BUT...

3. Anyone who calls themselves a Zionist must NEVER make common cause with our enemies. Criticism should not be published where our enemies will see it and use it to support their plans to destroy Israel. Criticism must remain in the family.

4. There is no such thing as conditional Zionism. I love Israel as I love the United States. Anyone whose support is based on whether Israel does the things it is "supposed to do" is not a Zionist at all.

The prime example of a group that violates every one of these is JStreet which is clearly antiZionist and a Shondah. An individual who violates every one of these rules and always has is Thomas Friedman. He is NOT a Zionist.

Diane Steiner's avatar

Great essay with several points that target the criticism and/or opinions of Israel. One that has always stood out for me is when you identified the people who criticise, but have no solutions, or solutions that have been tried multiple times and have failed. Criticism is a right we have but what you said, and rightly so, is that they are speaking from afar, or as the woke say, not from a 'lived' experience in Israel. And with all the criticism directed at it, Israel is still thriving, innovating, and modernizing despite constant rocket barrages, sirens blaring on a daily basis, amidst a world that would like to see it and its people vanish. I wonder if they've ever given any thought to that.

Simon Wajcer's avatar

The value I derive from the criticism of Israel is an insight into the critic him or herself. It becomes the crux of how any further interactions I have with that person (or organization) will be conducted.

Am Israel Chai.

Sarah Rivkah's avatar

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Neil Becker's avatar

If Jews only realized how perilous their situation is they would worry about their safety and not focus on Israel’s internal policy of which they know very little or nothing at all.

Yechiel Goldreich's avatar

“The way Israel affects me here outside of israel is all that matters. Their chronic presence on the nightly news is so cringy embarrassing. So do something different and I don’t care if it’s suicidal just so I won’t have to explain or apologize about you. “

Sabrina Paradis's avatar

To be clear the lefties are not the land. The self loathers are not the land. The folks who voted for a facist sand rat in new york are not the land. Never criticize the land Hashem gave us. Any real Jew knows that.