Fab development in Samaria and Judea! The Israel Guys live there and have been doing outstanding reporting for several years. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lLS0ztgZzLY
On the face of it a good idea but it ignores the egregious crimes of the Israeli state and is using the advantage handed by October 7th to reinvent history . Unfortunately for your the world has a clearer memory . There will have to be amends and reparations . The Israelis will have to pay a great deal to atone for their atrocious behaviour . Netanyahu’s allowing and encouragement of HAMAS , his weakening of defences around Gaza prior to October 7th - his deal with the devil knowing what it was and cultivating it for expedient convenience , make all this articles claims misguided . Whilst there is a leadership like Netanyahu there will be a HAMAS totally committed to Israel’s destruction. A more conciliatory leadership may be able to persuade to Palestinians to compromise down their aims over a long period of peace .
Israel’s Methodology is all about dominance and provocation . The inevitable reactions are cynically used to justify more land expropriation. This is the modus operandi .
Lost all hope for less radical options for these people, but with compassion — I sincerely support this message. If it worked for the Germans and Japanese — why not try it for a Palestinians of Gaza as a pilot for the rest of their geography? “
After sleeping on it (being at EST+12 time zone), I shared with the same friends a touch of reality:
“Of course, 2024 is not 1945, and the majority of the planet’s population do not associate the horrors similar to those of the German and Japanese occupation, and the number of victims and devastation of the war itself, with the Palestinians.
The idea is utopian for various reasons, from the duration of the transformation process (how long could the Israelis endure its physical, psychological and economic stress), and how long would America support Israel, since other countries will not.
I do not see a positive and quick solution to the problem, and most of the blood, sweat and tears would be of Israeli Jews.
Finally, I repeat myself — I hope that Israel won’t have to use nuclear weapons to protect itself ...”
A Gazan "Marshall Plan" is long overdue and must have by in from the West. Unfortunately, the Palestinian-Hamas Gazan culture of hate and rejection of Israel fed by other regional bad actors has now infected the west.
Eradicating then redressing that mindset must include dealing with what has been exported to the centres of education throughout Western Democracies that are floundering under the dramatic rise in antisemitism.
We must firmly reject the "progressive woke movements" reign of Jew hatred among our once venerated academic institutions.
There’s an implacable logic to this idea, yes, but glossed over is its predicate.
Before the victorious Allied powers embarked on their mission of salvation and reform, they first had to win a most destructive war, compelling Germany and Japan to confront the stark fact of their total defeat and their subjugation to the will of the victors. It was, so to speak, an act of creative destruction.
Can the same formula be applied to Gaza and the West Bank? I have my doubts. Israel would have to be ruthless in pursuit of total victory, and ruthless in its subsequent suppression of the terroristic, genocidal features of Palestinian society and culture. Honestly, I cannot see all that happening. But this article definitely provides food for thought.
Well said! We have fresh proof that the experiment of leaving Gaza to the Palestinians failed. Now that we learned that the hard way there is justification for a benevolently oriented occupation or colonization at some point in the near future after the war ends, with the goal of changing their anti-semitic education system and tamping down on radical extremists. It is a lofty goal that other Arab countries have balked at but perhaps they don't have the same clear mandate that Israel now has.
While you diagnose the cause perfectly (The Palestinian National Movement is a multi generation death cult) your proposed solution is no solution. Israel as we know occupied Gaza and the West Bank for 40 years. This is the culmination of that. I don't know that there is a solution. One thing that would help is if the rest of the world (including the United States) agreed that the Palestinians should pay a real price for indulging their death cult for well over half a century.
It’s clear the Palestinians in Gaza are paying a very high price. Much of the price is being paid by small children. Unfortunately the Palestinian “leaders” in Qatar and elsewhere are paying very little.
The difference between the Marshall plan and the colonization you're proposing is that the Germans and Japanese didn't hate the americans. The Palestinians hate the Israelis. So if you want to colonize them, bring in Sufis or Saudis. Otherwise it's not going to work, it will just create Hamas 3.0.
Germany economy is falling down very quickly, it has very much no-go areas for Jews and lqtdb people ( Muslim areas) . They wanted cheap workers from Asia and Africa, but now they have many Sharia law areas inside the western country. HASHEM has the control of everything everywhere all the time. Human politicians and leaders are all corrupt, so it is time for HASHEM to take control of all humanity. It is all about Jerusalem and Mount Moriah . Muslims try to establish one global Jihad Qaliphate with Jerusalem as capital and Sharia law all over the world. The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Israel ( Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin will be also in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem. The final peace will come only after Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem.
Well done! I've been saying for the past year (not as well as you, of course), that we need to re-educate the Gazans and who better to help than the Saudis, who apparently have a successful re-education program in their own country. Similarly, a few months ago I was driving down a busy West Palm boulevard and on my right were car dealerships: German cars, Japanese cars, Italian cars, Korean cars. It couldn't have been more obvious. Anyway, bravo!!!
I also love this article. A non-Jew, I have always been on the side of Israel and the Jews, and my feelings have been set in concrete by the horrors of October 7. I also have an antipathy for Islamicism, reinforced by two years of living in Pakistan (1988–1990). I recommend that experience, even for six months, for every ignorant American who's wearing a keffiyah and chanting anti-Israel slogans. If and when allowed back into the US, they would throw themselves on the ground and kiss the soil in gratitude. They have no idea of the vast gulf between Islamic and Judaeo-Christian cultures.
I am also a retired editor, and I know this is nitpicky, but I tried to find the source for this: "When they killed Tal, one of the assassins got down on his knees like a dog and began lapping up the blood.4" The source is given as ammonews.net, which is invalid. It's ammonnews.net (with two Ns), and the English version is here: https://en.ammonnews.net/article/19243.
I love this article. I’m going to post it. But I do have a difference of opinion on one concept here. Japan and Germany and Iran were centuries old countries with ancient and current deeply rich cultures. Their leaders and a hefty percentage of their populations went ethically and morally awry during periods of history, but there was and is so much there to save and resurrect. This is not at all the case with Gaza or Palestinians. They were never actually a people. The only culture they have or have ever had in the past 100 years or so (probably less) is that of hating Jews and depraved barbarism. There simply is no culture to resurrect. It’s not the job of Jews or Israelis to make the human sacrifices that would have to be made in order to live amongst them even under Israeli rule in Gaza. Would you take your family there? Your children? Because even under the rule and protection of Israel, people are going to die in terrorist attacks just as they do now in Israel, but most likely a much larger number of deaths would happen. I know it’s a fantasy but that population of people, even if some of them are now siding with Israel because hamas has caused such unbearable suffering, needs to be disbursed to 22 Arab countries. It’s the only psychologically sound and rational thing to do. When you have any gang or group of people who have developed this mob psychopathic perverse dynamic of violence and evil, you don’t reform them. You break them up. That’s how you end the dynamic. This is the psychological case on steroids with Gaza. It’s the most humane way to free them and give them the opportunity to live in actual societies however imperfect they may be.
Your comment seems more down to earth and plausible. However, from what I have gleaned from Joshua Hoffman's substack, the other Arab countries do not want them because of their "mob psychopathic perverse dynamic of violence and evil". Disbursing them to other Arab countries would take enormous diplomacy and an assurance (Ha, not likely) that a Palestinian wouldn't pick up the thread of hate and violence and spread that around. So much has been proposed and waved away, so dealing with the Gazans is a real challenge. Sitting here in my chair, I wouldn't have a clue.
Fab development in Samaria and Judea! The Israel Guys live there and have been doing outstanding reporting for several years. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lLS0ztgZzLY
On the face of it a good idea but it ignores the egregious crimes of the Israeli state and is using the advantage handed by October 7th to reinvent history . Unfortunately for your the world has a clearer memory . There will have to be amends and reparations . The Israelis will have to pay a great deal to atone for their atrocious behaviour . Netanyahu’s allowing and encouragement of HAMAS , his weakening of defences around Gaza prior to October 7th - his deal with the devil knowing what it was and cultivating it for expedient convenience , make all this articles claims misguided . Whilst there is a leadership like Netanyahu there will be a HAMAS totally committed to Israel’s destruction. A more conciliatory leadership may be able to persuade to Palestinians to compromise down their aims over a long period of peace .
Israel’s Methodology is all about dominance and provocation . The inevitable reactions are cynically used to justify more land expropriation. This is the modus operandi .
My initial reaction I shared with a few Jewish friends in 3 languages — Russian, Hebrew and English:
“Sorry, NOT sorry! I can’t help but to support this message:
https://open.substack.com/pub/futureofjewish/p/the-case-for-colonizing-gaza?r=3bf8nd&utm_medium=ios
Lost all hope for less radical options for these people, but with compassion — I sincerely support this message. If it worked for the Germans and Japanese — why not try it for a Palestinians of Gaza as a pilot for the rest of their geography? “
After sleeping on it (being at EST+12 time zone), I shared with the same friends a touch of reality:
“Of course, 2024 is not 1945, and the majority of the planet’s population do not associate the horrors similar to those of the German and Japanese occupation, and the number of victims and devastation of the war itself, with the Palestinians.
The idea is utopian for various reasons, from the duration of the transformation process (how long could the Israelis endure its physical, psychological and economic stress), and how long would America support Israel, since other countries will not.
I do not see a positive and quick solution to the problem, and most of the blood, sweat and tears would be of Israeli Jews.
Finally, I repeat myself — I hope that Israel won’t have to use nuclear weapons to protect itself ...”
A Gazan "Marshall Plan" is long overdue and must have by in from the West. Unfortunately, the Palestinian-Hamas Gazan culture of hate and rejection of Israel fed by other regional bad actors has now infected the west.
Eradicating then redressing that mindset must include dealing with what has been exported to the centres of education throughout Western Democracies that are floundering under the dramatic rise in antisemitism.
We must firmly reject the "progressive woke movements" reign of Jew hatred among our once venerated academic institutions.
https://open.substack.com/pub/briangore/p/north-american-eu-collaborative-academic?r=p9e3m&utm_medium=ios
There’s an implacable logic to this idea, yes, but glossed over is its predicate.
Before the victorious Allied powers embarked on their mission of salvation and reform, they first had to win a most destructive war, compelling Germany and Japan to confront the stark fact of their total defeat and their subjugation to the will of the victors. It was, so to speak, an act of creative destruction.
Can the same formula be applied to Gaza and the West Bank? I have my doubts. Israel would have to be ruthless in pursuit of total victory, and ruthless in its subsequent suppression of the terroristic, genocidal features of Palestinian society and culture. Honestly, I cannot see all that happening. But this article definitely provides food for thought.
Well said! We have fresh proof that the experiment of leaving Gaza to the Palestinians failed. Now that we learned that the hard way there is justification for a benevolently oriented occupation or colonization at some point in the near future after the war ends, with the goal of changing their anti-semitic education system and tamping down on radical extremists. It is a lofty goal that other Arab countries have balked at but perhaps they don't have the same clear mandate that Israel now has.
So well said. Glad I subscribe to your excellent Substack.
While you diagnose the cause perfectly (The Palestinian National Movement is a multi generation death cult) your proposed solution is no solution. Israel as we know occupied Gaza and the West Bank for 40 years. This is the culmination of that. I don't know that there is a solution. One thing that would help is if the rest of the world (including the United States) agreed that the Palestinians should pay a real price for indulging their death cult for well over half a century.
It’s clear the Palestinians in Gaza are paying a very high price. Much of the price is being paid by small children. Unfortunately the Palestinian “leaders” in Qatar and elsewhere are paying very little.
The difference between the Marshall plan and the colonization you're proposing is that the Germans and Japanese didn't hate the americans. The Palestinians hate the Israelis. So if you want to colonize them, bring in Sufis or Saudis. Otherwise it's not going to work, it will just create Hamas 3.0.
Germany economy is falling down very quickly, it has very much no-go areas for Jews and lqtdb people ( Muslim areas) . They wanted cheap workers from Asia and Africa, but now they have many Sharia law areas inside the western country. HASHEM has the control of everything everywhere all the time. Human politicians and leaders are all corrupt, so it is time for HASHEM to take control of all humanity. It is all about Jerusalem and Mount Moriah . Muslims try to establish one global Jihad Qaliphate with Jerusalem as capital and Sharia law all over the world. The Third Temple and the Kingdom of Israel ( Davidic Dynasty) are eternal and Sanhedrin will be also in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem. The final peace will come only after Shechinah is dwelling in the Third Temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem Very Soon Baruch HaShem.
absolutely overgeneralized and very much hysterical depiction of germanys current state
Well done! I've been saying for the past year (not as well as you, of course), that we need to re-educate the Gazans and who better to help than the Saudis, who apparently have a successful re-education program in their own country. Similarly, a few months ago I was driving down a busy West Palm boulevard and on my right were car dealerships: German cars, Japanese cars, Italian cars, Korean cars. It couldn't have been more obvious. Anyway, bravo!!!
An excellent treatise.
I also love this article. A non-Jew, I have always been on the side of Israel and the Jews, and my feelings have been set in concrete by the horrors of October 7. I also have an antipathy for Islamicism, reinforced by two years of living in Pakistan (1988–1990). I recommend that experience, even for six months, for every ignorant American who's wearing a keffiyah and chanting anti-Israel slogans. If and when allowed back into the US, they would throw themselves on the ground and kiss the soil in gratitude. They have no idea of the vast gulf between Islamic and Judaeo-Christian cultures.
I am also a retired editor, and I know this is nitpicky, but I tried to find the source for this: "When they killed Tal, one of the assassins got down on his knees like a dog and began lapping up the blood.4" The source is given as ammonews.net, which is invalid. It's ammonnews.net (with two Ns), and the English version is here: https://en.ammonnews.net/article/19243.
Very well stated...
I love this article. I’m going to post it. But I do have a difference of opinion on one concept here. Japan and Germany and Iran were centuries old countries with ancient and current deeply rich cultures. Their leaders and a hefty percentage of their populations went ethically and morally awry during periods of history, but there was and is so much there to save and resurrect. This is not at all the case with Gaza or Palestinians. They were never actually a people. The only culture they have or have ever had in the past 100 years or so (probably less) is that of hating Jews and depraved barbarism. There simply is no culture to resurrect. It’s not the job of Jews or Israelis to make the human sacrifices that would have to be made in order to live amongst them even under Israeli rule in Gaza. Would you take your family there? Your children? Because even under the rule and protection of Israel, people are going to die in terrorist attacks just as they do now in Israel, but most likely a much larger number of deaths would happen. I know it’s a fantasy but that population of people, even if some of them are now siding with Israel because hamas has caused such unbearable suffering, needs to be disbursed to 22 Arab countries. It’s the only psychologically sound and rational thing to do. When you have any gang or group of people who have developed this mob psychopathic perverse dynamic of violence and evil, you don’t reform them. You break them up. That’s how you end the dynamic. This is the psychological case on steroids with Gaza. It’s the most humane way to free them and give them the opportunity to live in actual societies however imperfect they may be.
Your comment seems more down to earth and plausible. However, from what I have gleaned from Joshua Hoffman's substack, the other Arab countries do not want them because of their "mob psychopathic perverse dynamic of violence and evil". Disbursing them to other Arab countries would take enormous diplomacy and an assurance (Ha, not likely) that a Palestinian wouldn't pick up the thread of hate and violence and spread that around. So much has been proposed and waved away, so dealing with the Gazans is a real challenge. Sitting here in my chair, I wouldn't have a clue.
Wow! What an essay! Doesn't mince words or offer platitudes. Talk about truth telling!