Who can forget Sinwar was released in the swap to release Shalit? The EU is biased against Israel and also weak minded. Israel must act in its own interests.
I am against the Death Penalty when applied through Civilian Administration, both because it sullies the condition of Civilian Justice and creates Martyrs. However, the Rules of War apply to Terrorists, making The Gaza War legal, because it was started by Hamas who were repeatedly offered both Self-governance after the Gazan Arabs were offered Statehood, and is therefore legal. But this is Military Law not Civilian Law, and should be kept this way.
The death penalty law is nothing more than an election propaganda ploy.
No Jewish court will pass a death sentence against any terrorist and that includes those Hamas ISIS Nuhba terrorists who slaughtered, raped, beheaded and burned innocent Israeli men, women, children and babies.
The only solution is take no prisoner when attacked by terrorists. If in any case some are caught instead of terminated, then they should be tried in a military court. The military judicial system has the possibility to pass a death sentence.
No. why should years be spent on this nonsense. And you are saying when attacked by a terrorist to take no prisoners?????? Tell that to the hundreds of families who lost members to murderers and thousands of terrorist prisoners let loose for hostage exchange. An eye for an eye.
Yes take no prisoners, execute them on the spot, including assassinations starting with those people on the IOC and South Africas ANC, they are rabid anti-semites and they need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice, fear is a good thing and it shuts up cowards and sends them into hiding very quickly.
Of course but the military leadership here are bound by a woke, progressive judicial system and fear to move a pin 📌 without the advice and the approval of the Military Prosecutor's Office.
Its long past time too stop the B/S and call this what it is, the default position of almost the entire world is not permanently anti-Israel, what it is is permanently anti-Jew, thousands of years of history has proven this to us beyond a shadow of a doubt and it is utterly idiotic of us to believe this will ever go away, STOP THIS B/S NOW as no amount of appeasement will ever change this.
As much as I would love to unit with Christians to defeat the islamist filth, the west is way to busy cowering to protect what it has in assets and lifestyle to stand up and fight for its freedoms and values.
This has lead to the current state of the world, militant islam is coming and unless we grow a huge pair, our end is near, the euro trash zone, save for a few smarter holdouts is lost, the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Holland, Portugal, Greece and all the most cowardly nations that believe that giving refuge to islamists was the right thing to do, are lost to islam, their stupidity has cost them their identities, their homelands and they will all flee as refugees within the next 15 years, coexistence with islam is impossible, it is not a sustainable choice, you are either one of us or you are one of them, they do not accept anything less.
Having the Samson option is not deterring our enemies, and the worst of our enemies, those that are funding and using all of their political might against us, are being allowed to walk freely spreading their anti Jew hatred and beliefs, the Bernie Sanders, the Soros family, Neville Roy Singham, the squad, and every other miserable f@#* out there are people that should not be walking around to continue their campaign of perpetual socialist sycophant Jew hatred, they are legitimate enemy targets and should have been eliminated years ago, so what are we doing enabling filth like this to continue to erode our right to exist and have a native homeland?
We are at the tipping point of civilization, its is either we dismantle islam and obliterate it and the people that enable it once and for all, or we need to accept that there is no future for us in the world to come, ACT NOW OR PAY THE PRICE, this will not be stopped until we stop it!
To recap, a terrorist kill a Jew for being a Jew. When the authorities arrest the terrorist, tries and convicts them through due process of law, imposes the death penalty for said crime, the media and world governments howl as one with moral outrage that the terrorist is a victim of discrimination.
Listening to their hypocritical, self-righteous pontifications induces an overwhelming sense of ethical vertigo. Heaven help us!
As the saying goes, "The inmates are running the asylum."
I imagine in 20-30 years, whatever is left of Western Civilization will be going to war with Europe, because they will have been overrun by the Islamists and their China/Russia alliance. France has just taken a VERY BIG step in that direction.
Ben Gvir's clowning around and celebrating the bill contradicts all Jewish values as I understand them. He is an embarrassment to the Jewish nation and, unfortunately, his miserable behaviour takes away from any logic behind this bill.
Actually read it further, Torah goes so far as to say that if there is even a reasonable expectation that someone will take or cause the taking of a Jewish life even in the future, we are obligated to kill them to prevent this from happening, failing to do so makes us complicit in the loss of the innocent life when it happens and punishable to the same heavenly penalty as the killers.
I do not recall a duty to open a bottle of Champaign when you bring down your enemy. He is an illiterate man and a true emmberssment as a representative of the State. He needs to go. This is not a comment about the law.
That may be true but it is irrelevant to the fact that the disgusting practice of trading hudreds murderers for a single hostage must be ended forever and this the only way to do it.
We don't celebrate killing, we morn it even when it is out of necessity, so it is agreed that he was completely and utterly wrong and he is an absolute moron even though I do understand why he did it, call it islamic jubilation syndrome as it happened when they saw the 9/11 images and videos, they celebrated and danced for joy, like them, he needs to go.
That's what I'm saying. Too many American Jews equate Jewish values with lying down and dying to avoid upsetting or offending those who would do us harm. Martyrdom is not a Jewish value.
Nor is there a value in a dead body, in fact dead bodies are traif or extremely un-kosher, trading future Jewish lives for them is so incredibly wrong, and releasing terrorist to satisfy obsessively narcissistic Jewish parents so as to recover a dead body and place future Jews in jeopardy violates Torah in every respect and regard, every single terrorist that has been released has returned to the battlefield to cause more loss of Jewish lives and this is directly the responsibility of the parents who whined like pathetic selfish fools and the government that gave in to them, Hashem will not forgive this selfish personal greed.
The post wasn’t about an individual we all agree is an idiot. It was about setting the record straight: whether the death penalty for terrorists is justified. Many of us believe it is both righteous and necessary. If you disagree, then say it plainly and defend your position instead of deflecting.
I do not disagree - I believe the PR damage to Israel could have been reduced or completely averted if Israel was represented by its true citizens not the stupid minority.
I thought you were paying attention—nothing Israel does gets good PR. What exactly do you mean by saying “Israel was represented by its true citizens, not the stupid minority”? Are you really arguing that a government made up of 13 parties and factions, with Likud in power, represents a minority? And do you honestly believe the Netanyahu Coalition isn’t likely to win the next election? Israel has clearly shifted to the right, and this DP vote reinforces that. The real wildcard isn’t public sentiment—it’s the Court, which could impose a bloc that doesn’t reflect the majority.
If you are Israeli or live there. I defer to you and your opinion.
What is written here makes sense. Unfortunately, Israel PR has sunk to the lowest levels. Instead of getting out what you said here to the world, what was reported was a picture of that thug, BenGvir , screaming and celebrating with champagne.
Even if Israel puts out positive PR, the media ignores it. They only put out the negative. ALWAYS. Remember the big California wildfires a year and a half ago? The news all over mentioned how Mexico and Canada had sent teams to help battle the fires. NO ONE mentioned that Israel also sent teams to help.
The problem isn't what the world thinks of this worthy law, but with the Israeli High Court, which in all likelihood will invalidate the new death penalty law.
While not law yet, the fact that this bill passed one hearing in the Knesset is shameful.
1. Terrorists are not military combatants. They are civilian criminals who should be prosecuted in civilian courts.
2. The death penalty will not deter Islamic terrorists, and the danger of prosecuting the wrong people and subjecting to them to military court with the object of capital punishment is too great a risk.
3. This proposed bill is effectively targeted at Arab Muslims, whatever specious claims this article tries to make to the contrary. If anyone believes this law would be used to prosecute, much less apply capital punishment, to Israeli Jews who commit terrorist acts against Arab Muslims, I have a bridge to sell you.
It’s time to stop worrying about what Europe thinks. Their default position is permanently anti-Israel regardless of what’s being discussed.
Thank you for the clarification. I 100 percent support this law for ridding the earth of these killers. What moral right do they have to life?
You dont care about killers. Israel is full of them and you love them.
Who can forget Sinwar was released in the swap to release Shalit? The EU is biased against Israel and also weak minded. Israel must act in its own interests.
I am against the Death Penalty when applied through Civilian Administration, both because it sullies the condition of Civilian Justice and creates Martyrs. However, the Rules of War apply to Terrorists, making The Gaza War legal, because it was started by Hamas who were repeatedly offered both Self-governance after the Gazan Arabs were offered Statehood, and is therefore legal. But this is Military Law not Civilian Law, and should be kept this way.
The death penalty law is nothing more than an election propaganda ploy.
No Jewish court will pass a death sentence against any terrorist and that includes those Hamas ISIS Nuhba terrorists who slaughtered, raped, beheaded and burned innocent Israeli men, women, children and babies.
The only solution is take no prisoner when attacked by terrorists. If in any case some are caught instead of terminated, then they should be tried in a military court. The military judicial system has the possibility to pass a death sentence.
No. why should years be spent on this nonsense. And you are saying when attacked by a terrorist to take no prisoners?????? Tell that to the hundreds of families who lost members to murderers and thousands of terrorist prisoners let loose for hostage exchange. An eye for an eye.
Fyi take no prisoners means don't take the terrorists prisoner, kill them instead.
Exactly
Yes take no prisoners, execute them on the spot, including assassinations starting with those people on the IOC and South Africas ANC, they are rabid anti-semites and they need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice, fear is a good thing and it shuts up cowards and sends them into hiding very quickly.
You have misunderstood my message.
No not at all, I am just expanding on it drastically, its time for us to start being proactive as apposed to always being damn defensive.
The military court does sound then like a better way to go.
Of course but the military leadership here are bound by a woke, progressive judicial system and fear to move a pin 📌 without the advice and the approval of the Military Prosecutor's Office.
You are correct
I see
Its long past time too stop the B/S and call this what it is, the default position of almost the entire world is not permanently anti-Israel, what it is is permanently anti-Jew, thousands of years of history has proven this to us beyond a shadow of a doubt and it is utterly idiotic of us to believe this will ever go away, STOP THIS B/S NOW as no amount of appeasement will ever change this.
As much as I would love to unit with Christians to defeat the islamist filth, the west is way to busy cowering to protect what it has in assets and lifestyle to stand up and fight for its freedoms and values.
This has lead to the current state of the world, militant islam is coming and unless we grow a huge pair, our end is near, the euro trash zone, save for a few smarter holdouts is lost, the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Holland, Portugal, Greece and all the most cowardly nations that believe that giving refuge to islamists was the right thing to do, are lost to islam, their stupidity has cost them their identities, their homelands and they will all flee as refugees within the next 15 years, coexistence with islam is impossible, it is not a sustainable choice, you are either one of us or you are one of them, they do not accept anything less.
Having the Samson option is not deterring our enemies, and the worst of our enemies, those that are funding and using all of their political might against us, are being allowed to walk freely spreading their anti Jew hatred and beliefs, the Bernie Sanders, the Soros family, Neville Roy Singham, the squad, and every other miserable f@#* out there are people that should not be walking around to continue their campaign of perpetual socialist sycophant Jew hatred, they are legitimate enemy targets and should have been eliminated years ago, so what are we doing enabling filth like this to continue to erode our right to exist and have a native homeland?
We are at the tipping point of civilization, its is either we dismantle islam and obliterate it and the people that enable it once and for all, or we need to accept that there is no future for us in the world to come, ACT NOW OR PAY THE PRICE, this will not be stopped until we stop it!
You don't mince words and are quite harsh. But you know what? You're RIGHT.
SPOT ON!!!
To recap, a terrorist kill a Jew for being a Jew. When the authorities arrest the terrorist, tries and convicts them through due process of law, imposes the death penalty for said crime, the media and world governments howl as one with moral outrage that the terrorist is a victim of discrimination.
Listening to their hypocritical, self-righteous pontifications induces an overwhelming sense of ethical vertigo. Heaven help us!
As the saying goes, "The inmates are running the asylum."
I hate Europe. Its inevitable demise can't come soon enough. It so richly deserves it.
I imagine in 20-30 years, whatever is left of Western Civilization will be going to war with Europe, because they will have been overrun by the Islamists and their China/Russia alliance. France has just taken a VERY BIG step in that direction.
Ben Gvir's clowning around and celebrating the bill contradicts all Jewish values as I understand them. He is an embarrassment to the Jewish nation and, unfortunately, his miserable behaviour takes away from any logic behind this bill.
Torah is pretty clear on this one. "If someone rises to kill you, rise up to kill him first"
Actually read it further, Torah goes so far as to say that if there is even a reasonable expectation that someone will take or cause the taking of a Jewish life even in the future, we are obligated to kill them to prevent this from happening, failing to do so makes us complicit in the loss of the innocent life when it happens and punishable to the same heavenly penalty as the killers.
I do not recall a duty to open a bottle of Champaign when you bring down your enemy. He is an illiterate man and a true emmberssment as a representative of the State. He needs to go. This is not a comment about the law.
That may be true but it is irrelevant to the fact that the disgusting practice of trading hudreds murderers for a single hostage must be ended forever and this the only way to do it.
We don't celebrate killing, we morn it even when it is out of necessity, so it is agreed that he was completely and utterly wrong and he is an absolute moron even though I do understand why he did it, call it islamic jubilation syndrome as it happened when they saw the 9/11 images and videos, they celebrated and danced for joy, like them, he needs to go.
It’s a requirement!
https://arnonrubinstein.substack.com/p/whoever-rises-to-kill-you-rise-early?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7nqz1
That's what I'm saying. Too many American Jews equate Jewish values with lying down and dying to avoid upsetting or offending those who would do us harm. Martyrdom is not a Jewish value.
Nor is there a value in a dead body, in fact dead bodies are traif or extremely un-kosher, trading future Jewish lives for them is so incredibly wrong, and releasing terrorist to satisfy obsessively narcissistic Jewish parents so as to recover a dead body and place future Jews in jeopardy violates Torah in every respect and regard, every single terrorist that has been released has returned to the battlefield to cause more loss of Jewish lives and this is directly the responsibility of the parents who whined like pathetic selfish fools and the government that gave in to them, Hashem will not forgive this selfish personal greed.
The post wasn’t about an individual we all agree is an idiot. It was about setting the record straight: whether the death penalty for terrorists is justified. Many of us believe it is both righteous and necessary. If you disagree, then say it plainly and defend your position instead of deflecting.
I do not disagree - I believe the PR damage to Israel could have been reduced or completely averted if Israel was represented by its true citizens not the stupid minority.
I thought you were paying attention—nothing Israel does gets good PR. What exactly do you mean by saying “Israel was represented by its true citizens, not the stupid minority”? Are you really arguing that a government made up of 13 parties and factions, with Likud in power, represents a minority? And do you honestly believe the Netanyahu Coalition isn’t likely to win the next election? Israel has clearly shifted to the right, and this DP vote reinforces that. The real wildcard isn’t public sentiment—it’s the Court, which could impose a bloc that doesn’t reflect the majority.
If you are Israeli or live there. I defer to you and your opinion.
Exactly. The West want to control the Jewish people/Israel but when it comes to the Islamic countries it's like 'Oh well. It's not our business.'
To understand the West (I feel I have insight into the unfairness of the system because I'm a 48 y.o woman) it is basically lazy thinking.
You guys have joined the West either as an ally or as a democracy - they think they OWN YOU enough to make you want to"fit in".
I don't know if that means explaining very slowly your story, ignoring them altogether, or both.
Oh it will deter all right. It will deter the Israeli government from releasing murderers for hostages. Because the murderers will be dead.
What is written here makes sense. Unfortunately, Israel PR has sunk to the lowest levels. Instead of getting out what you said here to the world, what was reported was a picture of that thug, BenGvir , screaming and celebrating with champagne.
Even if Israel puts out positive PR, the media ignores it. They only put out the negative. ALWAYS. Remember the big California wildfires a year and a half ago? The news all over mentioned how Mexico and Canada had sent teams to help battle the fires. NO ONE mentioned that Israel also sent teams to help.
Yeah, this bill is only like 50 years or more late but better late than never right.
If it passes and the endless debate on how to do it starts, I think that a small injection of pig juice would be a small upgrade!
That way the virgins can smell them coming from a mile away and scatter… HaHaHa!
The problem isn't what the world thinks of this worthy law, but with the Israeli High Court, which in all likelihood will invalidate the new death penalty law.
Most probably.
The death penalty is an ABOMINATION! https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/wiesel-on-executions-death-should-never-be-the-answer-in-a-civilized-society/
While not law yet, the fact that this bill passed one hearing in the Knesset is shameful.
1. Terrorists are not military combatants. They are civilian criminals who should be prosecuted in civilian courts.
2. The death penalty will not deter Islamic terrorists, and the danger of prosecuting the wrong people and subjecting to them to military court with the object of capital punishment is too great a risk.
3. This proposed bill is effectively targeted at Arab Muslims, whatever specious claims this article tries to make to the contrary. If anyone believes this law would be used to prosecute, much less apply capital punishment, to Israeli Jews who commit terrorist acts against Arab Muslims, I have a bridge to sell you.