You could start your ceasing to use the word "occupation." Not only is the land in question disputed rather than occupied but virtually the entire Palestinian population is ruled by the corrupt Jew hating Palestinian Authority or the murderous Jew hating Hamas.
East Jerusalem is disputed but Israel doesn't actually claim anything else. Israel has never annexed Area C and does not actually claim that it is part of Israel. The West Bank / J+S is governed differently from Green Line Israel, East Jerusalem, Golan Heights, etc.
I do think occupied is the right word. Even if you disagree about the WB/J+S, you agree that Israel is currently occupying at least large areas of Gaza, yes? As it should. I agree with your description of the PA and the Hamas.
The City of David is in E. Jerusalem. Many very important sites in Jewish history are located within. Do you really believe that the Palestinians will allow Jews /Israelis easy access to these places?
What makes you believe that I think they would? I don't think they would.
The IDF needs to continue the occupation for the foreseeable future. Otherwise you'll have a repeat of Gaza.
In any hypothetical future two-state solution, there would be special arrangements for East Jerusalem, with Israel getting the Jewish Quarter. And also, if the Palestinians at some point actually become willing to accept a two-state solution, then they will have changed a lot and became much less antisemitic and freedom of worship won't be an issue anymore. We are at least two decades away from any such hypothetical, if one ever comes to pass at all.
The secular left in Israel which subscribes woke post Zionism seeks to make Israel culturally like Sweden with no room for religion in the public arena
Allowing public transportation on Shabbat, at least in secular areas like Tel Aviv, is hardly "turning Israel into Sweden". No one is talking about Israel taking in tons of Muslim and African asylum seekers like Sweden did.
Many center-right and right-wingers in Sweden want to made Sweden more like Israel, a Swedish and democratic state committed to a Swedish majority and not to African and Muslim migration. They don't want to introduce Lutheran-inspired policies to shut down all public transportation on Sunday.
The movement to return to the old Zionist Left is not to implement more socialism in Israel’s economy. Nor is it a call to jettison domestic disputes from our platform. In fact, there is no reason to be any less aggressive on social issues, considering 73 percent of Israelis — and even 70 percent of Likud5 voters — support public transport on Shabbat.
What’s more, 73 percent are in favor of allowing businesses to open on Shabbat; 68 percent support complete separation of religion and state; 70 percent support equal rights for the LGBT community; 76 percent of Israelis think same-sex marriage should be legalized; and 60 percent of Israelis believe same-sex couples should have adoption rights.
If this is really true, what sets Israel apart as a Jewish State from any Christian country? What happened to Jewish Law? Has Israel become so secular that it is no different from the United States? When are you going to accept Jesus as the Messiah? A Palestinian State after all the thousands of innocent Israelis murdered? This is the reward they get? I have loved Israel and its people all my long life, I was married to an Israeli who was in the underground & fought in many of its wars, whose parents came as pioneers to reclaim the land for us. I was proud that we were different, that we followed HaShem’s rules. I’m not talking about the far right Ultra Orthodox that throw rocks at Jews who don’t dress what they consider modestly. I’m talking about average Israelis. If they have fallen so far from our teachings I don’t know what it means to be Israel anymore. There has to be a middle ground somewhere where you don’t discard everything. This is how you lose respect of the world. They don’t have to love us, but if we stand fast as Jews then they damn well have to respect us. What do you think got us this far? We have a special weapon, our relationship with HaShem. You are about to toss it into the dustbin of history along with the State of Israel. My heart weeps for this.
Israel is not a theocracy. More separation of synagogue and state definitely wouldn't make it "no different from the US", it still has the law of return, chief rabbis, public holidays on Jewish holidays, and so on. But there should be public transportation on Shabbat, at least in secular areas.
It’s not a theocracy but it’s a far cry from what the author is proposing & a theocracy. The country has always celebrated all the Jewish holidays, honored Shabbat. What difference does it make if you shop on Sunday instead of Saturday? Be secular if you want but even though it’s not a theocracy it’s still a JEWISH country. The only one in the world. You will make it so secular it might as well be the USA. There has to be a middle ground but the country remains a Jewish country. Chief Rabbis are not enough, soon you will dilute them too. I do believe that civil marriage should be legal & divorce. This ‘get’ business is extremely destructive.
There are Christian countries in Europe like England, Denmark, and Greece where you can shop on Sunday.
The US isn't so secular of a country, Christianity is a big thing here and is a big part of our culture and politics.
Something like a third of Jewish newborns in Israel are from Haredi families. There is no reason whatsoever to worry about Israel becoming too secular.
Israel is a first-world liberal democracy. The law of the land is supreme, not halakhic law. Halakhic law certainly guides the lives of the religious people, who are citizens of the democracy, and can be an inspiration and influence for some of the laws. But there should be public transport on Shabbat, at least in secular areas. Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people. It's a democracy, and most Jewish people are not Orthodox.
What law of the land? You don’t have a Constitution. Yes in the USA you can shop 7 days a week except most stores & Federal government departments are closed on recognized holidays some of those are Christian holidays, NONE are Jewish. The average everyday Jewish citizen is a second class citizen bc of the Jew hate here & it really is a Christian country even though not a theocracy. It gets more Christian every day. I have spent a lot of my life in Israel, it was my greatest regret that I didn’t make Aliyah when I had the chance until the COVID hoax came along & nobody had any rights in Israel. I couldn’t believe what went on there, after the Holocaust & the Nuremberg resolution against experimental drugs & treatments. If 1/3 of all children born are Haredi, maybe it’s because they didn’t take the poison shot that is destroying population growth in every highly vaxxed country.
I used to think that Benjamin Netanyahu was a hero. Until I found out about the betrayal of his people by making Israel the first laboratory for the Pfizer shot. Then mandating it, the Green Pass, & all the other torment that went along with it. As I have said before this goes against the Nuremberg Code, (expressly written after what Mengele did during WWII) , & put half the world’s Jewish population in harms way, probably for generations to come. He betrayed his country, its people & all Jewish people in the world. Actually he set in motion all the other countries that followed him. I will never forgive him for this. I will say that up until this ridiculous ceasefire I do think he managed the 7 front War, set in motion on Oct7, very well, but he’s mismanaging what is going on now. Even PDJT has said “release all the hostages or all hell will be unleashed.” So why the phased dragged out ridiculous charade of a ceasefire? Give them a 24 hour deadline & then unleash hell on them. They deserve it. And the average Gazan is in support & working with Hamas so I have no sympathy left for them.
Israel was the first country to have widespread vaccinations and it has a massive TFR. Most Haredim were vaccinated. Haredim have higher TFR because they choose to have more kids.
I know Israel was the first country to have widespread injections. It was ridiculous. The so called death count was around 6,500, if believable. Out of around 10 million people this is less than dies from the flu every year. There are many websites with statistics about everything population in Israel.
It's 11801, which is for instance 10 times higher than the death toll from October 7. Flu kills a few dozen per year in Israel, maybe. Even the swine flu killed 94.
The vaccine is safe and effective. Israel did a great thing by being a leader in it. Tons of lives were saved.
Obviously you don’t read any other scientific research papers on Substack which totally contradicts that the vax was safe & effective. You might start with In G-D’S Army there is only truth. Injecting Freedom with Aaaron Siri. News from the Underground by Mark Crispin Miller & a hundred others. Even 11, 801 which is not believable is ridiculous to inoculate an entire population with an experimental drug. Dr. Zev Zelenko came to Israel to beg the government not to do it. He went to the Haredi population and begged them not to do it. You are being lied to & brainwashed as to to the deaths & harms from the poison vax.
The old leftist atheist agnostic secular Zionist was, at the core, spiritual. No? I inherited a great little rare book…David Ben Gurion’s Bible studies. Israel needs to import America’s arms not our perversions. Do not profane the Sabbath with a law to buy and sell. The next law will be the rights of drag queens in kindergartens. Israel, we are set apart.
Any time the Left is falling apart is a good time. The Left doesn’t have a monopoly on social issues. And they never leave a victory alone. They always push it farther to the Left, by a mile. Because what they actually want is power. Equal rights are just the Trojan horse. We’ve seen this in every advanced Western democracy. And fwiw not being on the Left is not tantamount to being a fascist. The Left is a festering carbuncle on the nether regions of the body politic.
I think the Israeli left is far better than the left in most other countries. I wish the US Democratic Party was run by a guy with 5 kids who saved people from a huge terrorist attack. You know what Yair Golan did on October 7. Someone like Yair Golan or Chuck Freilich has no illusions about the Palestinians. He is no Zehava Gal-On.
The US Democrat Party is run by lunatics who support sex changes in children as young as six years old. Open borders, no rule of law, ignores the Supreme Court, goes after its opponents with screwball law fare & was probably behind the attempted assassination of President Trump.
I've never heard any Israeli leftist advocate for giving children puberty blockers and trans surgery. They cannot be compared to the US left at all. And while many American leftists attack the judiciary, Israeli leftists defend their judiciary. No one on the Israeli left supports anything like Biden's immigration policy of letting in tons of illegal immigrants. And so on and so forth.
I don't think that the US Democratic Party was behind the Trump assassination. Of course the guy who tried to assassinate him obviously preferred Harris to win, but he was a nutty lone wolf. I don't think he was even a registered Democrat. He certainly wasn't sent by the DNC, lol.
Israel has not been taken over by the same leftists that the USA has. This transgender idiocy is to destroy our families & our children. They seem to believe that there is no end to the number of sexes one can have. This is what happens when you give socialists & communists free rein in your colleges & universities & actually through the entire school system. But things will change now that the adults are taking over.
This certainly cannot still be true. Yet you use this 6–7-year-old poll to promote the outdated 2-state final solution. I completely reject the notion of a 2-state final solution which we all know will be a terrorist state, and I'm certain the vast majority of Israelis feel the same. No wonder the left parties in Israel are becoming extinct. How can anyone even think this way after October 7. It was clear even before that "palestinian" society consists of genocidal maniacs. They had sovereignty in Gaza and October 7 was the result. Yet here you are persisting in this insane idea of statehood. Also, I reject the claim that Israel is occupying territory. Who exactly did Judea and Samaria belong to before Israel's alleged "occupation"?
"According to the 2017-2018 National Security Index, 55 percent of Israeli Jews support the two-state solution (as do 96 percent of Arab Israelis). This is not empty support for a slogan but true acknowledgement of what this would demand: 63 percent of Israelis support evacuation of settlements as part of a permanent agreement with the Palestinians, while only 27 percent are opposed. In other words, the public is still consistent in supporting this solution".
RE: "Who exactly did Judea and Samaria belong to before Israel's alleged 'occupation'?"
Not Israel. So that's why it's considered "occupied". Of course, it did not belong to "Palestine" either. Before the Six-Day War, Israel had different borders. During the war, the IDF entered the West Bank and has not left. Israel did not annex the West Bank (other than East Jerusalem). So it's considered occupied from a legal perspective.
This is purely a legal claim, not a moral one. It's with good reason the IDF does not leave the West Bank. They left Gaza and look what happened.
Obviously there cannot be a two-state solution anytime soon, because of the radicalism and extremism of the Palestinian society. Perhaps some number of decades down the line, after the Palestinian society goes through some big changes.
It was illegally occupied by Jordan between 1948-1967. Jordan started a war with Israel in 1967, lost the war and lost Judea and Samaria to Israel. They are not "occupied" territories. The territories belong to Israel according to the laws of war. That's not to mention Judea and Samaria's historical Jewish connection. It's in the NAME of the territory, Judea and Samaria, which was its name until 1948 when Jordan renamed it the "west bank".
This was a very interesting piece although I think it is highly unlikely that the Palestinians will give up their demand that all descendants of the 1948 refugees be allowed to return. I also do t see them recognizing Israel within any borders. Not until the population is deradicalized. I just don’t think it’s realistic. Can you provide a link to the 2017-18 survey you mentioned?
"For too long the Right has used the Second Intifada and rockets from Gaza as a bludgeon against leftists, hypocritically refusing to take responsibility for the near-constant violence we have seen in the last 20 years, near constantly under Right-wing leadership."
Here's a crazy thought: Perhaps the Israeli government is not responsible for the second intifada and the rockets raining down on civilians, no morethan a rape victim "brought it on herself."
Consider this: The Palestinians have been ejected en masse from every Arab country they have gone into because time and again they have been a social and political destabilizing force.
In keeping with their charters' calls to wipe out the state of Israel and eliminate the Jews, the local Arab factions acted when they felt Israel was weakest. On the one hand Israel's supposed allies were calling for it to create a (terror) state on its borders out of Judea and Samaria and Gaza. On the other, the street, media, and some knesset members' demands that the government give these local Arabs what they wanted did not constitute appeasement but rather was the only just path that would induce them to shower us with love.
"According to the 2017-2018 National Security Index, 55 percent of Israeli Jews support the two-state solution (as do 96 percent of Arab Israelis). This is not empty support for a slogan but true acknowledgement of what this would demand: 63 percent of Israelis support evacuation of settlements as part of a permanent agreement with the Palestinians, while only 27 percent are opposed. In other words, the public is still consistent in supporting this solution."
Oct. 7th may have changed a few Israeli minds about the advisability of a two-state solution. It would be much like the Rwandan Tutsis saying if we gave the Hutus what they want, they would welcome us with open arms — yes, if those arms were locked and loaded.
"included in this program must be the refusal to remove soldiers from outside of Israel’s border. The Left must reiterate, if it is to make security its primary issue, that occupation of territory which can be weaponized"
If one reads the charters of the champions of a Palestinian state, listen to the oft repeated declarations of their leaders, and noted the consistency of their actions, one can only declare "Thus endeth the two-state solution."
A 2018 survey is way too old to be the basis of planning in the current climate, particularly with regard to support for a two state solution which I think most people now realise can not happen until the Palestinians can be deradicalised which will take a generation.
You could start your ceasing to use the word "occupation." Not only is the land in question disputed rather than occupied but virtually the entire Palestinian population is ruled by the corrupt Jew hating Palestinian Authority or the murderous Jew hating Hamas.
East Jerusalem is disputed but Israel doesn't actually claim anything else. Israel has never annexed Area C and does not actually claim that it is part of Israel. The West Bank / J+S is governed differently from Green Line Israel, East Jerusalem, Golan Heights, etc.
I do think occupied is the right word. Even if you disagree about the WB/J+S, you agree that Israel is currently occupying at least large areas of Gaza, yes? As it should. I agree with your description of the PA and the Hamas.
The City of David is in E. Jerusalem. Many very important sites in Jewish history are located within. Do you really believe that the Palestinians will allow Jews /Israelis easy access to these places?
What makes you believe that I think they would? I don't think they would.
The IDF needs to continue the occupation for the foreseeable future. Otherwise you'll have a repeat of Gaza.
In any hypothetical future two-state solution, there would be special arrangements for East Jerusalem, with Israel getting the Jewish Quarter. And also, if the Palestinians at some point actually become willing to accept a two-state solution, then they will have changed a lot and became much less antisemitic and freedom of worship won't be an issue anymore. We are at least two decades away from any such hypothetical, if one ever comes to pass at all.
We agree on that, for sure.
Turning Israel into Sweden is not a winning political platform
The secular left in Israel which subscribes woke post Zionism seeks to make Israel culturally like Sweden with no room for religion in the public arena
Allowing public transportation on Shabbat, at least in secular areas like Tel Aviv, is hardly "turning Israel into Sweden". No one is talking about Israel taking in tons of Muslim and African asylum seekers like Sweden did.
Many center-right and right-wingers in Sweden want to made Sweden more like Israel, a Swedish and democratic state committed to a Swedish majority and not to African and Muslim migration. They don't want to introduce Lutheran-inspired policies to shut down all public transportation on Sunday.
The movement to return to the old Zionist Left is not to implement more socialism in Israel’s economy. Nor is it a call to jettison domestic disputes from our platform. In fact, there is no reason to be any less aggressive on social issues, considering 73 percent of Israelis — and even 70 percent of Likud5 voters — support public transport on Shabbat.
What’s more, 73 percent are in favor of allowing businesses to open on Shabbat; 68 percent support complete separation of religion and state; 70 percent support equal rights for the LGBT community; 76 percent of Israelis think same-sex marriage should be legalized; and 60 percent of Israelis believe same-sex couples should have adoption rights.
If this is really true, what sets Israel apart as a Jewish State from any Christian country? What happened to Jewish Law? Has Israel become so secular that it is no different from the United States? When are you going to accept Jesus as the Messiah? A Palestinian State after all the thousands of innocent Israelis murdered? This is the reward they get? I have loved Israel and its people all my long life, I was married to an Israeli who was in the underground & fought in many of its wars, whose parents came as pioneers to reclaim the land for us. I was proud that we were different, that we followed HaShem’s rules. I’m not talking about the far right Ultra Orthodox that throw rocks at Jews who don’t dress what they consider modestly. I’m talking about average Israelis. If they have fallen so far from our teachings I don’t know what it means to be Israel anymore. There has to be a middle ground somewhere where you don’t discard everything. This is how you lose respect of the world. They don’t have to love us, but if we stand fast as Jews then they damn well have to respect us. What do you think got us this far? We have a special weapon, our relationship with HaShem. You are about to toss it into the dustbin of history along with the State of Israel. My heart weeps for this.
Israel is not a theocracy. More separation of synagogue and state definitely wouldn't make it "no different from the US", it still has the law of return, chief rabbis, public holidays on Jewish holidays, and so on. But there should be public transportation on Shabbat, at least in secular areas.
It’s not a theocracy but it’s a far cry from what the author is proposing & a theocracy. The country has always celebrated all the Jewish holidays, honored Shabbat. What difference does it make if you shop on Sunday instead of Saturday? Be secular if you want but even though it’s not a theocracy it’s still a JEWISH country. The only one in the world. You will make it so secular it might as well be the USA. There has to be a middle ground but the country remains a Jewish country. Chief Rabbis are not enough, soon you will dilute them too. I do believe that civil marriage should be legal & divorce. This ‘get’ business is extremely destructive.
There are Christian countries in Europe like England, Denmark, and Greece where you can shop on Sunday.
The US isn't so secular of a country, Christianity is a big thing here and is a big part of our culture and politics.
Something like a third of Jewish newborns in Israel are from Haredi families. There is no reason whatsoever to worry about Israel becoming too secular.
Indeed. What sets Israel apart…
Israel is a first-world liberal democracy. The law of the land is supreme, not halakhic law. Halakhic law certainly guides the lives of the religious people, who are citizens of the democracy, and can be an inspiration and influence for some of the laws. But there should be public transport on Shabbat, at least in secular areas. Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people. It's a democracy, and most Jewish people are not Orthodox.
What law of the land? You don’t have a Constitution. Yes in the USA you can shop 7 days a week except most stores & Federal government departments are closed on recognized holidays some of those are Christian holidays, NONE are Jewish. The average everyday Jewish citizen is a second class citizen bc of the Jew hate here & it really is a Christian country even though not a theocracy. It gets more Christian every day. I have spent a lot of my life in Israel, it was my greatest regret that I didn’t make Aliyah when I had the chance until the COVID hoax came along & nobody had any rights in Israel. I couldn’t believe what went on there, after the Holocaust & the Nuremberg resolution against experimental drugs & treatments. If 1/3 of all children born are Haredi, maybe it’s because they didn’t take the poison shot that is destroying population growth in every highly vaxxed country.
I used to think that Benjamin Netanyahu was a hero. Until I found out about the betrayal of his people by making Israel the first laboratory for the Pfizer shot. Then mandating it, the Green Pass, & all the other torment that went along with it. As I have said before this goes against the Nuremberg Code, (expressly written after what Mengele did during WWII) , & put half the world’s Jewish population in harms way, probably for generations to come. He betrayed his country, its people & all Jewish people in the world. Actually he set in motion all the other countries that followed him. I will never forgive him for this. I will say that up until this ridiculous ceasefire I do think he managed the 7 front War, set in motion on Oct7, very well, but he’s mismanaging what is going on now. Even PDJT has said “release all the hostages or all hell will be unleashed.” So why the phased dragged out ridiculous charade of a ceasefire? Give them a 24 hour deadline & then unleash hell on them. They deserve it. And the average Gazan is in support & working with Hamas so I have no sympathy left for them.
Israel was the first country to have widespread vaccinations and it has a massive TFR. Most Haredim were vaccinated. Haredim have higher TFR because they choose to have more kids.
I know Israel was the first country to have widespread injections. It was ridiculous. The so called death count was around 6,500, if believable. Out of around 10 million people this is less than dies from the flu every year. There are many websites with statistics about everything population in Israel.
It's 11801, which is for instance 10 times higher than the death toll from October 7. Flu kills a few dozen per year in Israel, maybe. Even the swine flu killed 94.
The vaccine is safe and effective. Israel did a great thing by being a leader in it. Tons of lives were saved.
Obviously you don’t read any other scientific research papers on Substack which totally contradicts that the vax was safe & effective. You might start with In G-D’S Army there is only truth. Injecting Freedom with Aaaron Siri. News from the Underground by Mark Crispin Miller & a hundred others. Even 11, 801 which is not believable is ridiculous to inoculate an entire population with an experimental drug. Dr. Zev Zelenko came to Israel to beg the government not to do it. He went to the Haredi population and begged them not to do it. You are being lied to & brainwashed as to to the deaths & harms from the poison vax.
The old leftist atheist agnostic secular Zionist was, at the core, spiritual. No? I inherited a great little rare book…David Ben Gurion’s Bible studies. Israel needs to import America’s arms not our perversions. Do not profane the Sabbath with a law to buy and sell. The next law will be the rights of drag queens in kindergartens. Israel, we are set apart.
Any time the Left is falling apart is a good time. The Left doesn’t have a monopoly on social issues. And they never leave a victory alone. They always push it farther to the Left, by a mile. Because what they actually want is power. Equal rights are just the Trojan horse. We’ve seen this in every advanced Western democracy. And fwiw not being on the Left is not tantamount to being a fascist. The Left is a festering carbuncle on the nether regions of the body politic.
I think the Israeli left is far better than the left in most other countries. I wish the US Democratic Party was run by a guy with 5 kids who saved people from a huge terrorist attack. You know what Yair Golan did on October 7. Someone like Yair Golan or Chuck Freilich has no illusions about the Palestinians. He is no Zehava Gal-On.
The US Democrat Party is run by lunatics who support sex changes in children as young as six years old. Open borders, no rule of law, ignores the Supreme Court, goes after its opponents with screwball law fare & was probably behind the attempted assassination of President Trump.
I've never heard any Israeli leftist advocate for giving children puberty blockers and trans surgery. They cannot be compared to the US left at all. And while many American leftists attack the judiciary, Israeli leftists defend their judiciary. No one on the Israeli left supports anything like Biden's immigration policy of letting in tons of illegal immigrants. And so on and so forth.
I don't think that the US Democratic Party was behind the Trump assassination. Of course the guy who tried to assassinate him obviously preferred Harris to win, but he was a nutty lone wolf. I don't think he was even a registered Democrat. He certainly wasn't sent by the DNC, lol.
Israel has not been taken over by the same leftists that the USA has. This transgender idiocy is to destroy our families & our children. They seem to believe that there is no end to the number of sexes one can have. This is what happens when you give socialists & communists free rein in your colleges & universities & actually through the entire school system. But things will change now that the adults are taking over.
This certainly cannot still be true. Yet you use this 6–7-year-old poll to promote the outdated 2-state final solution. I completely reject the notion of a 2-state final solution which we all know will be a terrorist state, and I'm certain the vast majority of Israelis feel the same. No wonder the left parties in Israel are becoming extinct. How can anyone even think this way after October 7. It was clear even before that "palestinian" society consists of genocidal maniacs. They had sovereignty in Gaza and October 7 was the result. Yet here you are persisting in this insane idea of statehood. Also, I reject the claim that Israel is occupying territory. Who exactly did Judea and Samaria belong to before Israel's alleged "occupation"?
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"According to the 2017-2018 National Security Index, 55 percent of Israeli Jews support the two-state solution (as do 96 percent of Arab Israelis). This is not empty support for a slogan but true acknowledgement of what this would demand: 63 percent of Israelis support evacuation of settlements as part of a permanent agreement with the Palestinians, while only 27 percent are opposed. In other words, the public is still consistent in supporting this solution".
RE: "Who exactly did Judea and Samaria belong to before Israel's alleged 'occupation'?"
Not Israel. So that's why it's considered "occupied". Of course, it did not belong to "Palestine" either. Before the Six-Day War, Israel had different borders. During the war, the IDF entered the West Bank and has not left. Israel did not annex the West Bank (other than East Jerusalem). So it's considered occupied from a legal perspective.
This is purely a legal claim, not a moral one. It's with good reason the IDF does not leave the West Bank. They left Gaza and look what happened.
Obviously there cannot be a two-state solution anytime soon, because of the radicalism and extremism of the Palestinian society. Perhaps some number of decades down the line, after the Palestinian society goes through some big changes.
It was illegally occupied by Jordan between 1948-1967. Jordan started a war with Israel in 1967, lost the war and lost Judea and Samaria to Israel. They are not "occupied" territories. The territories belong to Israel according to the laws of war. That's not to mention Judea and Samaria's historical Jewish connection. It's in the NAME of the territory, Judea and Samaria, which was its name until 1948 when Jordan renamed it the "west bank".
I don’t think that’s how the laws of war work. International law is kind of a joke anyway in any case.
According to the 2017-18 National Security Index. Take it over again now after Oct 7 & see what result you get.
This was a very interesting piece although I think it is highly unlikely that the Palestinians will give up their demand that all descendants of the 1948 refugees be allowed to return. I also do t see them recognizing Israel within any borders. Not until the population is deradicalized. I just don’t think it’s realistic. Can you provide a link to the 2017-18 survey you mentioned?
For a cogent last word on the Left, their aspirations, and the reality of the situation, read this: https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-832518
"For too long the Right has used the Second Intifada and rockets from Gaza as a bludgeon against leftists, hypocritically refusing to take responsibility for the near-constant violence we have seen in the last 20 years, near constantly under Right-wing leadership."
Here's a crazy thought: Perhaps the Israeli government is not responsible for the second intifada and the rockets raining down on civilians, no morethan a rape victim "brought it on herself."
Consider this: The Palestinians have been ejected en masse from every Arab country they have gone into because time and again they have been a social and political destabilizing force.
In keeping with their charters' calls to wipe out the state of Israel and eliminate the Jews, the local Arab factions acted when they felt Israel was weakest. On the one hand Israel's supposed allies were calling for it to create a (terror) state on its borders out of Judea and Samaria and Gaza. On the other, the street, media, and some knesset members' demands that the government give these local Arabs what they wanted did not constitute appeasement but rather was the only just path that would induce them to shower us with love.
"According to the 2017-2018 National Security Index, 55 percent of Israeli Jews support the two-state solution (as do 96 percent of Arab Israelis). This is not empty support for a slogan but true acknowledgement of what this would demand: 63 percent of Israelis support evacuation of settlements as part of a permanent agreement with the Palestinians, while only 27 percent are opposed. In other words, the public is still consistent in supporting this solution."
Oct. 7th may have changed a few Israeli minds about the advisability of a two-state solution. It would be much like the Rwandan Tutsis saying if we gave the Hutus what they want, they would welcome us with open arms — yes, if those arms were locked and loaded.
"included in this program must be the refusal to remove soldiers from outside of Israel’s border. The Left must reiterate, if it is to make security its primary issue, that occupation of territory which can be weaponized"
If one reads the charters of the champions of a Palestinian state, listen to the oft repeated declarations of their leaders, and noted the consistency of their actions, one can only declare "Thus endeth the two-state solution."
The Left barely exists at all in Israel, which the article just kinda glosses over. The choice is between far right and extremely right.
Hi Alex. It was indeed written a year ago. The Future of Jewish republished it.
A 2018 survey is way too old to be the basis of planning in the current climate, particularly with regard to support for a two state solution which I think most people now realise can not happen until the Palestinians can be deradicalised which will take a generation.
I MHO they can unpublish it
You’re than welcome to head over to my page, or Blake’s, where there are many pieces discussing developments in various fields including this topic.