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You make a lot of sense Joshua - people's trauma (historical trauma in the case of Jews) has meant the choices have been terribly ruthless in order to survive. It's understandable but in a world that treats everyone with an almost impossible form of compassion and respect (in the West) there are severe problems with that perceotion. That the difficulty here and the challenge. You make a lot of sense but I fear that the pragmatic view produces a coldness that contributes to a contrast that drives people to see Zionism as heartless compared to their own societies in the West. That's where the communication to the West fails at present because the world does not consider that hardness as appropriate to the "progressive" society that has been developed since the sixties civil rights revolutions. And I know how challenging it is to reverse that perception when you live next to neighbours that show none of the same compassion. You are right the abstract arguments in San Francisco and elsewhere bear no real relevance to the lived reality. Please consider though that the "progressive Zionists" are perhaps doing a service in their own geographical location even if their naivety may not be suitable at all for those living in Israel with the harsh realities of the region. 🙏

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Thing is, "progressive Zionism" is usually code for "I'm a Zionist and I still believe in abortion rights and environmental protections." Or, "I'm a Zionist and I also believe that gay people do not need to be imprisoned." Right-wing Zionism, while very passionate about Israel, often comes with other baggage; there needs to be some sort of term for someone who is a Zionist, who believes that Israel needs to protect itself in whatever way it needs to, and who also doesn't want to deny women the right to an abortion or to imprison gay people for consensual sex.

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