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Dan's avatar
Sep 5Edited

The problem which comes with the Truth of what you say here, is that this simple Dichotomy (pro-Israel or anti-Israel, as the ultimate Defender of Western Civilisation) puts Jews and Israel and Antisemitism once again at the forefront of political discourse, and I am not sure I want to be there yet again. You are right however when you say this is the reality anyway, so better get used to the fact.

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Clarity Seeker's avatar

Know thine enemies. And thy friends. And dont assume anything based upon historic labels or affiliations.

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Jonah's avatar

This may be what being "Chosen" by G-d means. We may well be the issue by which the judgment of the world hinges. You may not like being there, but that's the deal.

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Dan's avatar
Sep 5Edited

I am not religious, and when people point out Jewish Exceptionalism, I say there are Good and Bad in all Peoples. Thus, what happens to the value of The Individual when we and others talk about ‘We, and Us and Them’? Individual responsibility comes BEFORE ‘collective guilt’ or ‘collective Innocence’. Every time.

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Robbin Close's avatar

I LOVE Israel and stand with Israel. When finally flying into Tel Aviv, I was crying. Where did it come from? It is in my DNA. And, memories of stories told by my grandparents about life in the “old country” before they emigrated to America. I was seeing the miracle in the desert with my own eyes, impressed with the accomplishments of the people in a short amount of time.

We must all realize by now that the Israelis are fighting this horrible war for the West, for us in America. Their young people in uniform are courageously doing it for all of us. It is time for us to wake up to this fact. Iran is our enemy and must be stopped. We have started this process with the American B2 planes going there and delaying their uranium buildup toward a devastating bomb. We must stand together in defense of our way of life.

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Nathan Brown's avatar

… Robbin, your comment mentioning ‘tears’ resonates 100%.

I am a Brit living in London, so it’s an easier journey for me. In 2025, I am on my 8th visit to Tel Aviv. It’s always a joy seeing the coast of Israel appear out the aircraft window. Likewise, I am always tearful when taking off from BenGurion, heading back to London.

Israel is in my fabric, our Jewish homeland. Living in Israel full time is in my mind the whole time,but it is ever so different and challenging.

Adam Hummel’s article about ‘where one stands on Israel’ being a true political test is excellent.

Thankfully many Jews and much of what we call the silent majority are aware of the evil games of Hamas, Iran, the silent partner Qatar and the much weakened proxies of Hezbollah, Assad and the Houthis.

BUT the deluded governments around the world, the long standing Israel hating media and the likes of the UN, have a much louder voice and a different agenda. That different agenda is the notion of palestinianism … a fake notion from the mid 1960s which nearly meant a two state solution, but today ‘is dead’.

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Robbin Close's avatar

Thank you Nathan for your beautiful response to me. I appreciate it. I experienced the Golden Age of acceptance of Jewish people in America. I was convinced that we were finally free of the old world’s hatred. After all, George Washington welcomed us to the country. I thought it would last forever. I was completely in shock on October 8th when the hatred toward us was unleashed. I think it was PTSD. I decided to learn as much as I could instead of giving into my shock. After all, I see myself as strong and resilient as the Israeli sisters I viewed in Israel. It was time to keep going and support the people in Israel during this difficult time. Shabbat Shalom

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Laura's avatar

This has become my litmus test as well. Which is why I would support a John Fetterman over a Marjorie Taylor Green any day.

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Steven Brizel's avatar

This is all traceable to the long march to the far left by liberals and progressives

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Freedom Lover's avatar

A couple of things

1. The left right divide in Israel collapsed many years ago. An absolute majority has opposed making concessions to the Palestinian murderers since the rejection of Ehud Barak over 20 years ago. Not surprisingly, the Labor party is barely breathing. October 7 might have disillusioned a few more of the small amount of foolish members of the left but most Israelis had their eyes wide open long before.

2. You are correct that in reality the divide is between those who support Israel in its battle and those who would see it destroyed. But their are large numbers of liberal and progressive Zionists in the United States that simply refuse to acknowledge this reality. They refuse to concede that it is conservatives who support Israel and their own ideological side that would see it destroyed. They pick up on every single case of a right wing anti-semite as evidence that their world view is correct while minimizing or ignoring what is emanating from their own side. The media makes it easy since they fail to report the reality enabling these people to remain in their bubble.

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Paul Goldman's avatar

The Democrats lie about right wing antisemitism as well.

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Lee Saffold's avatar

I stand with Israel!

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David Eichler's avatar

"If you are anti-Israel, no matter what you call yourself, your sympathies are with the people who would happily burn the world down." Not necessarily. And it depends on what you mean by anti-Israel. I do not believe that Zionists and the British had any moral, legal, or ethical right to establish a jewish state in Palestine against the wishes of the Arab-Muslim majority there. And I do not believe that a state based on religion and ethnicity is a paragon democracy and a good model for a modern society. That said, now that Israel is a fait accompli, it has a right to exist and defend itself, like any other country, and I am not a fan of Arab-Muslim countries that base their societies on religion and ethnicity, just as Israel does, and that is the sort of society Palestinian Arabs would impose if they had their own state.

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SM's avatar

This is extraordinarily silly. People can stand with Israel and still feel its current policies are misguided. There’s a lot of people who feel this way.

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Jonah's avatar

When I see anti-Israel people it's almost never a criticism of one policy or another. Unless saying the existence of the state is an "issue".

It nearly always is much more broad and existential.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Not when their opinions are based on lies which they almost certainly are.

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Jane Stuart's avatar

The clarification of the two positions is helpful. My personal position is squarely pro-Israel. On October 7, I was visiting my daughter in Seattle and we watched the tv coverage for several days. From that time on I followed the news of Israel mostly from the JPost and the telegram Channel of Amir Tsarfati. And more recently via Jewish authors on Substack, some living in Israel, some living elsewhere. It would be helpful to know whether the Israelis as a whole are united in the belief that a two state solution is no longer possible, ever. It may come off as grandiose but I have to say I love Israel.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

The fact of the matter is that both Likud and it's principle opposition hold virtually identical views on this issue at this point. The Labor party and it's further left allies barely exist anymore. The reason is squarely because they supported a process which has brought endless war death and horror to Israel.

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Justin Hewitt's avatar

Please check out this opinion piece I’ve worked on. Would love feedback or support.

https://open.substack.com/pub/justinhewitt42/p/opinion-israel-antisemitism-and-media?r=4aa574&utm_medium=ios

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ryan's avatar

Yes, I agree with B. Lewis, late historian, that the arrangement of the French legislature 18th century has little meaning today.

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Piotr Fast's avatar

Yes, it has come down to this : good versus evil, Israel versus barbarism!

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debbie wiener's avatar

Excellent analysis

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None's avatar

Very good essay. Lapsed Christian in the US here and I stand with Israel. Now and always.

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ER's avatar

Agreed

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ANDREW LAZARUS's avatar

I think you’ll have to explain more slowly why Baruch Goldstein and his fanboy Ben Gvir are on Team Civilization.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

That's a slander and an idiotic comment.

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ANDREW LAZARUS's avatar

I am lost. Are you arguing that Goldstein and Ben Gvir are on Team Civilization, or admitting that significant parts of the Israeli polity are violent bigots? Where is the slander?

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Goldstein was a lunatic supported by a tony fringe of lunatics. You have slandered the mainstream Israeli right by equating his actions and beliefs to them. Same with Ben Gvir. I dont like him but last I checked he didn't walk into a Mosque and slaughter dozens of people. And finally if the centrists who almost entirely agree with the policies of Likud would form a coalition then the extreme right wouldn't need to be a part of the government. Hope that helps.

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ANDREW LAZARUS's avatar

Lunatics yes. Tiny no. You just have to face that. Have you seen Goldstein’s grave? A veritable shrine, with small stones piled on it from respectful visitors. Ben Gvir and Smotrich are cabinet ministers, and so are several less well-known lunatics. How can you consider key ministers (Finance, Police) as unrepresentative of the government as a whole? And of the people who elected it?

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Still tiny. And having nothing to do with Likud. A free society will always have kooks. Ours here does and Israel's does as well.

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ANDREW LAZARUS's avatar

Until now, ours didn't sit in the cabinet.

Smotrich's party has 7 seats in the Knesset. Ben Gvir's has 6. I realize it is comforting to think that these parties are "tiny", but that's over 10 percent of the Knesset. Ben Gvir is promoting pogroms in the West Bank (not against Hamas) on a near-daily basis. These men are the ones driving the current government's policy towards non-Jews in the Occupied Territories. That's specifically part of Ben Gvir's position. Again, it's comfortable to believe these champions of ethnic cleansing are an irrelevant freak show. Irrelevant, no. Freak show, yeah.

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