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Pithy Pragmatist's avatar

Why we even still using this word? It made sense prior to the establishment of the state of Israel, but now how is Israel any different than all the rest of the countries in the world, most of which were established after Israel?

Nobody today talks about Pakistanism or Croatiaism or Eritreaism or… the list goes on and on and on.

I’m not Jewish and have no personal stake in this, but it’s head scratchingly annoying to watch Israel be the only country on the planet who has to continually explain and justify its existence.

Suzy's avatar

You have hit on the crux of the matter: “the only country on the planet who has to continually explain and justify its existence.” The question of why is its own answer - because Jews. The rest, as our ancient sage Hillel said, is “commentary”.

Pithy Pragmatist's avatar

It really is the most bizarre mind virus ever to infect the human species. If even 1/10th of the Jewish conspiracies were true, you guys would make the Avengers look like a bunch of cosplaying powerless pussies. 😂

Mike Perceval's avatar

“Zionism is the Jewish People's movement for self-determination in our ancestral homeland. Not living at the mercy of kings or czars or mobs. Shaping our own future. Jews wanted what every other nation wanted: a place of our own.”

I am a Gentile Christian Zionist, so I’m not trying to tell you who you are. BUT, with all due respect, from the standpoint of the very Scriptures which tell the origin and long early history of the Chosen People, what you identify as Zionism is only actually a description of political Zionism and, therefore, only partially accurate.

The God of Israel; He Who chose Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their seed as His Inheritance, is Himself the ultimate Zionist. It is He Who calls His people to inhabit the Promised Land, in fulfillment of His call upon those who prove themselves to be ‘Abraham’s seed’; those who voluntarily submit to being ‘governed by God’.

Psalms 132:13-14 (Tanakh)

“For the LORD has chosen Zion; He has desired it for His seat. “This is my resting-place for all time; here I will dwell, for I desire it.”

Am Israel Chai, to the glory of God!

Robin Alexander's avatar

This article inspires me to share the lyrics to the title song from the 1961 Broadway musical about Israel "Milk and Honey" by the late great Jerry Herman:

(It starts as an emotional anthem full of passion and introducing a strong sense of possession):

This is the land of Milk and Honey

This is the land of sun and song and

This is the world of good and plenty

Humble and proud and young and strong and

This is the place where the hopes of the homeless

and the dreams of the lost combine

This is the land that heaven blessed and

This lovely land is mine

(To avoid making it too much of a patriotic love letter, Herman adds a heavy dose of cynical reality):

The honey's kind of bitter and the milk's a little sour

Do you know that pebbles are the state's official flower?

How about the tensions, political dissensions and

No one ever mentions, that the scenery is barren and

Torrid and arid and horrid and

How about the border where the Syrians attack?

How about the Arabs with the rifle in your back?

How about the water . . . [cannot understand these words] brine

But this lovely land is mine

(Finally, the two versions resolve as one vision for the future, slowly and grandly):

What if the earth is dry and barren

What if the morning sun is mean to us for

This is a state of mind we live in

We want it green and so it's green to us for

When you have wonderful plans for tomorrow

Somehow even today looks fine so

What if it's rock and dust and sand,

For this lovely land is mine

It could never be produced today, but I listen to it constantly.

Rod D. Martin's avatar

Beautifully stated.