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Just plain Rivka's avatar

Thinking about it historically, Israel used to have the 1967 borders. Which, as I understand it, would be Israel without the borders of a Palestinian state. Israel was content with 1967 borders. The Arabs wanted war. Seems very unlikely that returning that land will make anyone happier than they were pre-1967.

The disengagement from Gaza did not produce peace or even the end of terrorism.

Hard to explain what would happen to make Palestinians happy with a state. There is no precedent for Palestinians happily accepting anything ever. There’s no rational reason to believe it would happen in the future.

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I read accounts of the early Palestinian mandate in which the British and others concluded that neither the Arab or Jewish Palestinians were at all ready for their respective nations. By 1947, they had given up on the Mandate and proposed a partition, that would hopefully lead to a two state solution.

Of course, there were no distinct Palestinian Arabs at the time, and the Arab world utterly rejected the entire concept of a Palestinian state. After 1967, the Arab world and the UN wanted the Palestinian refugees to return to a mythical lost homeland, mostly to keep them contained and dependent on the UN and hating Israel for the UN and Arab world's manipulation and broken promises. So, as you wrote, a Palestinian "national identity" was created, with the help of the KGB, in the 1980s to continue the charade and keep the region in turmoil.

Nut the "Palestinian People" were no more capable of self-government, given the tremendous influences, competitions, and factions of the Arab League, Russia, Iran, etc., than it was in 1920's.

The Palestinian territory governance was never up to Palestinians, but followed the traditional cleptocratic, clan-based and tribal, and corrupt franchise model of the Caliphates, suvordinate to its major sponsors and arms suppliers, who were often at war with each other.

Thus, the kind of Palestinian statehood that could emerge was never one that could live alongside of Israel. It is inconceivable that it could become a sovereign state and conduct relations with the West on its own. The UN embedded itself in the region so that it, too, became a major tool for the Arab nations seeking to dominate it.

The deranged notion of the UN and the West, that Fatah could govern all Palestinian territories in the interests of the Palestinian people was the same wholly unreasonable and culturally ignorant and arrogant fantasy that led to the mass destruction of the Middle East, the Arab Spring, and the rise of Islamic States and Iranian proxies.

By analogy, and in no way referring to Palestinian people or Muslims, the Pit Bull may not be inherently violent and unmanageable species. However, if it is systemically abused and deprived, the result is predictable.

People can be systemically abused, deceived, and manipulated, also. It doesn't matter whether the abuse comes from its friends, it enemies, or the United Nations. European and other nations have been sucking up to the Arab world and Islam, for many generations, compering with each

other for deals and advantages. The excessively complex nature of the Middle East is beyond the West's understanding, even if they were all on the same page and Russia and China weren't striving to destabilize it all.

Congratulations to Joshua Hoffman for tackling the big issues we are all facing due to the gross oversimplifications that pass as wisdom and critical thinking these days.

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