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Sam Hilt's avatar

The title of this essay unfortunately obscures the most important issue it addresses. The title should read, "Will Jews know when it's time to go?" Looking back at the Nazi era, it's clear that there were Jews who understood that the writing was on the wall and that the gates were closing. Jews like Einstein, Freud, Marcuse, and Arendt went to England and America while the masses were still wondering and hoping that it would all blow over.

Saul Goldman's essay forces Jews who have been living comfortably and safely in countries like England, France and the United States to begin asking themselves, "How much longer will this peaceful interlude last?" And, if things continue to grow worse, have I thought seriously about what leaving entails?

Uncomfortable, disturbing thoughts to be sure. But, no longer avoidable...

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Ira Seidenstein, PhD (Edu)'s avatar

Maybe. A fine well written short essay. Informed from a rich experience in a living Jewish community. Fine. However, it is somewhat binary i.e. to go now or go later. Whereas, although I am sure I don't have the knowledge that you have on these subjects, might I suggest that in some way, as many note 'something changed October 7'. The recognition of that change was like a nuclear mushroom cloud over merely 24 hours. The big bang. A new beginning. Not to be confused with the past similarities. Perhaps? There are perhaps 20-30% of Jewish persons who know little of any use or practice of the Jewish Culture (I prefer that term). Perhaps, another 10-30% of Jewish persons absolutely hate people who have a 'traditional' adherence to Torah practices. The remainder of whatever percentage have all sorts of varied viewpoints so are not a pure cohesion. It seems to me as a fairly newish learner about our Jewish Culture, that a) most of 'The Us' have or had thrown the baby out with the bathwater. The baby being one of the elephants in one of the rooms. That baby elephant is Torah. Regarding the American Jewish phenomenon that you are mainly referencing was, in my experience in my youth, convinced that Jewish Values were what counted most. I would not have really know what Torah Values were in my youth. 'The We' were led astray by our own. We accepted, generally speaking of course that Jewish Values helped make America special. They did. But those same 'values' putsch-ed out the Torah as a living guide and Cultural Treasure. Except for a certain percentage of American Jewish communities which held firmly to Torah Values and their practices. October 7 Plus is, in my not so humble sense, demands 'The Us' i.e. the largest percentage of the willing Jewish persons to accept that there is a HUGE LESSON being offered. That is one of the most primary mitzvot i.e. the daily study of Torah with the purpose of deepening one's practice. Practice makes pretty good. Pretty good is drastically better than relying as in 'lying' about Jewish Values and the fab numbers of Prize Winning Jewish persons. By the way, I am 'pretty certain' that the other Abrahamic faiths and all of their warring factions have a 'reckoning' unfolding and an equally HUGE LESSON of their own NEW form of 'teshuvah'.

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