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DrMike's avatar

While you're correct that the terms "pro-Israel" and "anti-Israel" are reductionist and binary, none of this conversation would even be necessary if there was not a worldwide, somewhat coordinated, effort to delegitimize, demonize and apply double standards to Israel (yes, I'm quite deliberately invoking Sharansky's "3D" definition of antisemitism). Those who oppose, for example, the homophobic, misogynistic and tyrannical rule of the mullahs in Tehran aren't concluding "therefore, the Persian people have forfeited their right to national self-determination". Same with China, Turkey, Russia, and so on. Only in the case of Israel does "anti" far too often mean that. (Standard disclaimer: you do need to ask what someone means when they say they're "anti-Israel"; maybe they just oppose the way Israel is conducting the war, and so on, without descending into antisemitism.) And regardless of whether they are engaging with the complexity of the country and the society or a caricature of it, anyone advocating for the elimination of Jewish self-determination needs to be called out. At the same time, we can and should help those calling it out to understand the incredibly messy nature of Israeli society and its government!

So the existence of "anti-Israel" people requires those of us who support the existence of the Jewish state to oppose them. We can say we're "pro-Israel", we can say we are "Zionist," but regardless of how we say it we are indicating our opposition to the antisemitic viewpoint. Now "pro-Israel" can also have a wide spectrum; one can absolutely support the right of the people of Israel to determine their own future without agreeing with every decision their government takes. I don't think anyone would question that ZOA is supportive of Israel, but they have strongly criticized the ceasefire with Lebanon that the elected government of Israel just agreed to. There are also those who claim to be "pro-Israel" and support an arms embargo against it, which strikes me as a fundamentally inconsistent position. But things like that do muddy the waters of discourse considerably. Nonetheless, as long as the antisemitic viewpoint exists, we are obligated to oppose it. What term you'd want to use to describe that can certainly be discussed.

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Very well said, Joshua!!! Excellent writing. I honestly had to look up a few simple words that I should have know the meaning of years ago!

I agree with your point entirely.

I honestly love Israel with her complexities and as you say flaws of which I know very little. The reason I admire Israel is because I have been there and served during the time of the bombing of the U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut, Lebanon and was there when we rescued Yasser Arafat when Israel had him and his troops pushed against the sea. Something I thought at the time, and still do, was a mistake. We should have let Israel finish this terrorist off. I am aware of the enemy, Hezbollah from the time of the terrorist bombing conducted by Hezbollah. Because if this experience is recognized the complexities that you described. Only, that is the limit of my knowledge of those complexities. Yet my limited awareness of those complexities causes me to find clarity in the reality that Israel must defend herself from a determined host of enemies that surround her like a pack of ravaging wolves that makes conditional love of county an extremely stupid and dangerous luxury that only friended from a huge distance can afford to entertain. Israelis must love their country without conditions. Yes, when the can. They must be critical of themselves while staying armed and read to defend their right to exist as country even when their country may need, for its own sake to correct errors or flaws. When I was growing in America it was our country, right or wrong it is our country.. We will challenge and correct ourselves but we will fight anyone else in the world seeking to correct us against our will!

I see that spirit in the face of the IDF forces and all Israelis who justifiably love their country, right or wrong, unconditionally.

In the interest of full disclosure at this point I will also confess that my respect for Israel is greatly influenced by my Christian faith that from my childhood taught me the virtues and vices of the Old Testament characters of Moses, the prophets, the kings and the Ten Commandments and the wisdom of Solomon etc. this would explain my idealistic respect underpinning a bias toward Israel. But it does not influence my unconditional love for the nation and people of Israel. That comes from my experience with them when I spent time integration and in the city of Haifa during the Lebanese civil war.

I understand your point and it is do true. The leftist are using any conflict in the world to push for their global agenda. They do not care why Israel must fight for survival. They are using Israel to achieve their aim. That is why they actually join hands with the, “river to the sea” crowd.

Many on the right do similar things to further their anti leftists cause.

I support Israel without conditions in solidarity with their righteous cause to exist in the world as a self governed people determining their own destinies based upon their needs, requirements and rights to live as human beings in this world.

Those who want Israel to pack up and leave cannot tell them where they should go other than where they are now. So the choice for them is to accept extinction or resist tyranny. I support the resistance of the tyrannical idea of the destruction of Israel as a people and a nation. I support it unconditionally. It is my view that Israel should accept nothing short of unconditional surrender from their enemies or the utter destruction of them.

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